The Did you know thread. Uselss, but fascinating trivia, facts and stories

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by Excape Goat, Oct 17, 2007.

  1. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    No problem. When you have any questions in this regard, do not hesitate to ask; the Kings were very generous with me and left me the wonderful work of Vicente Martínez Calatrava, "History and Statistics of Spanish Soccer" in which, as a "Dinámico" includes all lineups and positions in the history of the league, something which also helps me in putting together this thread.

    Sin problema. Cuando tengas alguna duda en este sentido, no tengas reparo en preguntar; los Reyes fueron muy generosos conmigo y me dejaron la maravillosa obra de Vicente Martínez Calatrava, "Historia y Estadíatica del Fútbol Español" en el que, a modo del "Dinámico" incluye la totalidad de alineaciones y posiciones en la historia de la liga, algo que también me ayuda en la elaboración de este hilo.
     
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  2. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
  3. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    @Gregoriak might know more of this story.

    It is a well-known story. Beckenbauer was going to join Munich 1860. He grew up in an area where it was one of Munich 1860's fan base. He was also a fan of the club. Right before he joined the club, he was slapped by a Munich 1860 player during a match between his club and 1860 in a youth tournament. After that, Beckenbauer bypassed Bayern and joined Bayern Munich. That move was often credited as the turning point in the history for both clubs. The name of the1860 player was seldom mentioned. I happened to come upon it today.

    Gerhard König.... I think it meant "King" in German according to the articles below. Is it similar to "Der Kaier"? apparently, Konig was a goalkeeper and just played as an outfielder for that match.

    I used google translated.
    https://www.spiegel.de/geschichte/f...chsel-zu-1860-muenchen-platzte-a-1212436.html
    https://www.tz.de/sport/1860-muenchen/koenig-kaiser-treffen-oewen-787618.html
     
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  4. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    #604 Buyo, Mar 23, 2021
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2021
    There is a very curious case regarding the uniform used by Real Madrid in matches that it has played against River Plate.

    Throughout history, when Real Madrid has played at home, it has always played with its first uniform (at least as far as the shirt is concerned) with the exception of 4 occasions being the first two of these exceptions matches against River Plate .

    The first took place in a friendly in 1951 and where Real Madrid played with a blue shirt and white pants since River only had his white shirt with a red stripe. The match was won by the Argentines 3-4.

    NOTE: the articles I have found say that Real Madrid played in blue although at that time the color of the away uniform was purple.

    Real Madrid-River Plate 1951.jpg

    The second time it happened in 1961 in tribute to Real Madrid's goalkeeper Juanito Alonso and River won again this time by 2-3. According to the chronicles, Real Madrid played with a purple shirt and pants.

    NOTE: the press says that he played purple although in those years the second uniform was blue.

    Real Madrid-River Plate 1961.jpg

    The other two times that Real Madrid did not wear their first uniform playing at home was in 1967 in the European Cup against Ajax Amsterdam (Real Madrid played in blue because in the first leg Ajax had allowed them to play in Amsterdam with their usual white jersey) and the second time was in 2019 that Real Madrid played in green, on the occasion of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change held in the capital of Spain, against Español in the Spanish Liga.

    But the story with River Plate and the Real Madrid uniforms continues. Nowadays it is common for the second (and third) uniforms of the teams to change color every year due to marketing issues and income from sales of shirts, but before this was not the case. For example, from 1939 to 1999 Real Madrid always had a second purple or blue jersey. Despite this there were some exceptions.

    The first time it happened in 1957 when, in the Paris Tournament, Real Madrid faced Vasco de Gama (3-4 victory for the Brazilians) and Real Madrid wore a red jersey and it seems to be (according to some chronicles) blue pants.

    The second time was in a friendly played against River in 1965 and where Real Madrid played with a borrowed green uniform (1-1 was the result of that match).

    Real Madrid-River Plate 1965.jpg

    Later in the 70s, Real Madrid played 3 times in red in European competitions against Cardiff City, PSV Eindhoven and Dinamo Kiev.

    To say that Real Madrid did not have good results in the matches that I have mentioned in this post:

    - Lost 3-4 against River Plate in 1951
    - Lost 3-4 against Vasco da Gama in 1957
    - Lost 2-3 against River Plate in 1961
    - Drew 1-1 against River Plate in 1965
    - Won 2-1 againts Ajax Amsterdam in the 1967/68 European Cup. The victory was in overtime.
    - Lost 1-0 against Cardiff City in the 1970/71 Cup Winners' Cup
    - They drew 0-0 against PSV Eindhoven in the 1970/71 Cup Winners' Cup
    - They drew 0-0 against Dinamo Kiev in the 1972/73 European Cup
    - Won 2-0 against Espanyol in the 2019/20 League

    In summary, 2 wins, 3 draws and 4 losses.

    Even in 1967 Real Madrid played a match at the Santiago Bernabeu Stadium with a white shirt but blue pants that ended up losing 0-1 to Celtic Glasgow. That game was a tribute to Alfredo di Stéfano.
     
  5. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    Another curiosity.

    The great dominators of European football at club level are Italy, England and Spain.

    Well, if you asked us which country was the first to get two different teams from two different cities into the semifinals of the European Cup, almost all of us would say that the answer would be between these three countries almost certainly.

    Well, we would be wrong, none of these three countries was the first, neither was Germany, France, Netherlands or Portugal, the first country that succeeded and that for more than 30 years was the only one was …… .. SCOTLAND.

    Yes, Scotland was the first country to be able to say that two teams from one of its cities and two other teams from another of its cities had reached the semi-finals of the European Cup / Champions League. We go with them:

    - Glasgow: in 1960, Rangers reached the semifinals of the European Cup where they lost by an aggregate result of 12-4 against Eintracht Frankfurt. In 1967 it was Celtic that reached the semifinals where they eliminated Dukla Prague by a 3-1 aggregate and later won the final 2-1 at Inter Milan.

    - Dundee: in 1963 Dundee FC reached the semi-finals of the European Cup where they lost by a 5-2 aggregate result against Milan. Already in 1984 Dundee United also reached the semifinals and was eliminated by Roma by a 3-2 aggregate.

    Therefore in 1984 Scotland became the first country to achieve such a feat.

    I think the only country that has also achieved it is England in 2016 when Manchester City reached the semi-finals (previously Manchester United in 1957 had also reached the semi-finals and for the city of London they had been made by Tottenham Hotspur in 1962, Chelsea in 2004 and Arsenal in 2006).
     
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  6. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    ENDLESS DUELS

    The Edinburgh Derby is one of the oldest since it began in the 1870s. This duel pits the Hibernian and Heart of Midlothian teams.

    Well, in 1878 these teams in the Edinburgh Cup played a final (initially scheduled for a single match) that took five games to meet the champion. The results were the following:

    https://www.londonhearts.com/scores/history/1878EFACUP.htm

    - Heart of Midlothian 0-0 Hibernian (February 9, 1978)
    - Heart of Midlothian 1-1 Hibernian (February 16, 1978)
    - Heart of Midlothian 1-1 Hibernian (February 23, 1978)
    - Heart of Midlothian 1-1 Hibernian (April 6, 1978). In other sources they indicate that the result was 0-0.
    - Heart of Midlothian 3-2 Hibernian (April 20, 1978)

    That is to say, a final that was going to be resolved in one day took ¡¡10 weeks !! to meet the tournament champion.

    I do not know if this duel of 1878 in the Edinburgh Cup is that it has needed more games throughout history to decide the champion but if it is not the first it must be close to being so.

    On the other hand in the first years of the 20th century in Spain there was another duel that took four games to decide which team passed the round of the Spanish Cup and which is the origin of the great rivalry between Real Madrid and FC Barcelona.

    We are talking about the semifinals of the 1916 Spanish Cup. The results were as follows:

    - FC Barcelona 2-1 Real Madrid (March 26, 1916)
    - Real Madrid 4-1 FC Barcelona (April 2, 1916). At that time they counted the victories and no goal difference so it was necessary to resort to a tiebreaker match to see which team would go to the final. Indicate that in this game the future president of Real Madrid (Santiago Bernabeu) scored a Hat-Trick.
    - Real Madrid 6-6 FC Barcelona. The match ended in a tie at 4 goals and in overtime the final score was a tie at 6 (Bernabéu scored both Real Madrid goals in overtime). The sequence of the goals was 1-0, 2-0, 2-1, 2-2, 3-2, 3-3, 3-4, 4-4, 5-4, 5-5, 5-6 and 6-6.
    - Real Madrid 4-2 FC Barcelona. The 90 minutes ended with a draw at 2 goals and in extra time Real Madrid won 4-2 although it must be noted that the match did not end since FC Barcelona withdrew before ending it as they did not agree with the arbitration performance.

    In the final, Real Madrid lost by a clear 0-4 against Athletic Club of Bilbao.
     
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  7. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    I put a list that shows the worst streak (in years) without winning the European Cup / Champions League. I only take into account the 22 teams that have been champions of the tournament. In bold are the teams that have won the competition more than once.

    (data until the end of 2020 included)

    Team Years Span
    1 Benfica 58 1962-act
    2 Chelsea 56 1956-2012
    3 Celtic 53 1967-act
    4 Feyenoord 50 1970-act
    5 Inter Milan 45 1965-2010
    6 Borussia Dortmund 41 1956-97
    7 Nottingham Forest 40 1980-act
    8 Aston Villa 38 1982-act
    9 Hamburger 37 1983-act
    9 Olimpique Marsella 37 1956-93
    11 FC Barcelona 36 1956-92
    12 Red Star Belgrade 35 1956-91
    13 Steaua Bucharest 34 1986-act
    14 Real Madrid 32 1966-98
    14 PSV Eindhoven 32 1956-88 and 1988-act
    16 Manchester United 31 1968-1999
    16 Porto 31 1956-87
    18 Juventus 29 1956-85
    19 Bayern Munich 25 1976-2001
    19 Ajax 25 1995-act
    21 Liverpool 21 1956-77 and 1984-2005
    22 Milan 20 1969-89
     
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  8. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Philip Mulryne started his career at Manchester United before playing more than 150 games for Norwich City and was a Northern Ireland international. After his retirement from football in 2008 Mulryne began studying for the Roman Catholic priesthood. He was ordained as a deacon in October 2016 and then as a priest on 8 July 2017.

    Ray Wilson who was on England's 1966 WC team became an undertaker after he retired.

    Neil Webb played 26 times for England. He was on their 1990 WC team. He became a postman after his retirement.

    Faustino Asprilla sells condoms after he retired.

    Daniel Agger is now a tattoo artist.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B-uIKPVphYr/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
     
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  9. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Carlos Fernández

    In the 2019-20 Spanish Copa del Rey Fernández and his club, Granada, were knocked out of the semi-finals by Athletic Bilbao.

    394 days later Fernández and his new club, Real Sociedad, defeat Athletic Bilbao in the 2020 Copa del Rey final.
     
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  10. wm442433

    wm442433 Member

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    As Moulin and Bajic were both injured, the 20 years old third keeper of AS Saint-Etienne made his Ligue 1 debuts yesterday and was decisive against Nîmes (2-0 win away with a pk save) receiving the grade of 8 in France Football and making their team of the 31st day match.

    His name? Etienne Green.
    Born in Colchester of an English father and a French mother, he was given his first name as a tribute to the French club.
    The young goalkeeper is a Saint-Etienne player since he was 9 years old and yesterday, as Nîmes were playing in red shirt and that his team were playing in white, Etienne was playing in a full green kit.


    The Etienne Green's debuts for AS Saint-Etienne (April the 4th, 2021, at Nîmes)
     
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  11. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Scotland has the record with 4 contemporary international players with the same name:

    1) John Mc Pherson I - forward - capped 1875
    2) John Campbell McPherson II - b.1855 - half - capped 1879-85
    3) John McPherson III - b.1867 - half - capped 1891
    4) John McPherson IV - b.1868 - forward - capped 1888-97

    They're ordered by aged. None of them related among themselves.
     
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  12. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    #612 Buyo, Apr 11, 2021 at 4:42 AM
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2021 at 4:47 AM
    Continuing with the idea of @msioux75 referring to players with the same name, I am going to put a list of Spanish teams in the early years of the 20th century that also had the same name.

    Before the inauguration of the League championship in Spain there were several regional championships and in the early years the regional champion earned the right to represent his region in the Spanish Cup. These regional championships generally disappeared around 1940.

    Well, there were many teams that participated in these different regional championships and whose names were the same despite not having any relationship between them. I put a list of the teams called "ESPAÑOL" and that won a regional championship in their time:

    - Catalan Championship: Español (from Barcelona): 8 times regional champion. The only one that exists today and in its record I could boast of having won 4 Spanish Cups and having reached 2 UEFA Cup finals. This is the championship in which FC Barcelona participated.

    - Central Regional Championship: Español (from Madrid): 2 times regional champion. Disappeared around 1913. This is the championship in which Real Madrid and Atlético de Madrid participated.

    - South Regional Championship: Español (from Cádiz): 1 time regional champion. Disappeared in 1929. This is the championship in which Sevilla, Cádiz, Betis, Málaga, etc participated.

    - Regional Championship Castellano-Leonés: Español (from Valladolid): 1 time regional champion. Disappeared in 1928. This is the championship in which Real Valladolid participated.

    - Hispano-Moroccan Regional Championship (then the north of Morocco was still a Spanish colony): Español (from Tetouan): 1 time regional champion. The most important team in this championship was Atlético Tetuán, which came to play in the Spanish first division.

    That is, 5 different champion teams with the same name and without having a relationship between them. Even in another regional championship, another team called Español was runner-up in the tournament:

    - Galician Championship: Español (from Vigo): 1 time regional runner-up. This is the championship in which Deportivo Coruña and Celta Vigo participated.

    But there were also other names "shared" by different teams within regional tournaments, such as the teams called "ESPAÑA":

    - Catalan Championship: España (from Barcelona): 3 times regional champion. Disappeared in 1932.

    - Regional Championship of Levante: España (from Valencia): 1 time regional champion. This is the championship where Valencia CF played.

    - Valencia Regional Championship: España (from Valencia): We are talking about the same team from the previous paragraph. 1 time regional champion.

    - Regional Hispano-Moroccan Championship: España (from Tangier): 1 time regional champion.

    These are teams that were called España or Español and that reached the finals of the regional tournaments that they disputed but almost certainly there would be more teams with these same names that could not reach the final of their championship.
     
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