La Liga Rankings: 1975-93

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  1. MJWizards

    MJWizards Member

    Aug 17, 2019

    Great! Thanks mate! So if his rating is close to 6.00, why Don Balon do not put him into his ratings recap for the 1992-93 season? Another mistake by Don Balon?
    BTW Diego rating for the missing game (Sevilla-Barcelona, day 17) from Mundo Deportivo and Marca is 1...which is the equivalent to 5.5-6 i believe?
     
  2. Vegan10

    Vegan10 Member+

    Aug 4, 2011
    Excellent work, mate. He obtained a 5 in round 17.

    Correction: it should be 5,96.
     
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  3. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    In the extrapolation that I do, it would be equivalent to a 6. If you were so kind and provided me, if you have it, Maradona's ratings in Marca and Mundo Deportivo (I only have supposed final averages), I could make an average of the three and compare with the work I have done with the rest of the highlights. Regarding what you comment, you are right, although he would have received 4 points on the 17th day, he would be above 5.91 and should appear in the top 100, although you have already seen with Zubizarreta that errors must be abundant.
     
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  4. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Thanks mate. I had replied to MJWizards before reading your post. Would you have a problem providing me with the data for matchday 17 to have the season complete? It is the only copy I am missing ...
     
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  5. MJWizards

    MJWizards Member

    Aug 17, 2019
    Sure mate, im gonna post all the info i got! Thanks again!
     
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  6. Vegan10

    Vegan10 Member+

    Aug 4, 2011
    I will see if I can find it, mate. I saw it not so long ago but now can’t find it.
     
  7. MJWizards

    MJWizards Member

    Aug 17, 2019
    #357 MJWizards, Apr 30, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2021
    This is what i got mate

    1992-1993 - MARADONA RATINGS
    Liga 5 - 04.10.1992 - Athletic Bilbao vs Sevilla 2-1 (Marca 2, Mundo 3, Don Balon 6)
    Liga 6 - 07.10.1992 - Sevilla vs Zaragoza 1-0 (Marca 3, Mundo 3, DB 6)
    Liga 7 - 18.10.1992 - Espanol vs Sevilla 1-1 (Marca 1, Mundo 2, DB 7)
    Liga 8 - 25.10.1992 - Sevilla vs Cadiz 1-0 (Marca 2, Mundo 3, DB 8)
    Liga 9 - 01.11.1992 - Oviedo vs Sevilla 1-1 (Marca 1, Mundo 3, DB 5)
    Liga 10 - 08.11.1992 - Sevilla vs Rayo 3-2 (Marca 2, Mundo 2, DB 6)
    Liga 11 - 22.11.1992 - Celta vs Sevilla 1-2 (Marca 2, Mundo 3, DB 7)
    Liga 12 - 28.11.1992 - Sevilla vs Atletico Madrid 1-3 (Marca 0, Mundo 1, DB 6)
    Liga 13 - 06.12.1992 - Sevilla vs Osasuna 0-0 (Marca 1, Mundo 2, DB 4)
    Liga 14 - 12.12.1992 - Real Sociedad vs Sevilla 1-0 (Marca 1, Mundo 1, DB 5)
    Liga 15 - 19.12.1992 - Sevilla vs Real Madrid 2-0 (Marca 3, Mundo 4, DB 9)
    Liga 16 - 03.01.1993 - Tenerife vs Sevilla 3-0 (Marca 1, Mundo 1, DB 5)
    Liga 17 - 10.01.1993 - Sevilla vs Barcelona 0-0 (Marca 1, Mundo 1, DB 5)
    Liga 18 - 17.01.1993 - Burgos vs Sevilla 0-2 (Marca 3, Mundo 4, DB 8)
    Liga 19 - 24.01.1993 - Sevilla vs Gijon 1-0 (Marca 3, Mundo 4, DB 10)
    Liga 20 - 31.01.1993 - Sevilla vs Albacete 2-1 (Marca 2, Mundo 2, DB 7)
    Liga 21 - 06.02.1993 - Deportivo vs Sevilla 2-0 (Marca 1, Mundo 1, DB 7)
    Liga 22 - 14.02.1993 - Sevilla vs Valencia 2-2 (Marca 2, Mundo 3, DB 6)
    Liga 23 - 21.02.1993 - Logrones vs Sevilla 2-0 (Marca 1, Mundo 1, DB 5)
    Liga 24 - 28.02.1993 - Sevilla vs Athletic Bilbao 3-1 (Marca 1, Mundo 1, DB 4)
    Liga 26 - 14.03.1993 - Sevilla vs Espanol 1-1 (Marca 1, Mundo 2, DB 4)
    Liga 27 - 21.03.1993 - Cadiz vs Sevilla 0-0 (Marca 1, Mundo 1, DB 5)
    Liga 28 - 04.04.1993 - Sevilla vs Oviedo 0-1 (Marca 1, Mundo 1, DB 4)
    Liga 33 - 16.05.1993 - Sevilla vs Real Sociedad 3-1 (Marca 2, Mundo 3, DB 7)
    Liga 34 - 23.05.1993 - Real Madrid vs Sevilla 5-0 (Marca 1, Mundo 1, DB 5)
    Liga 37 - 13.06.1993 - Sevilla vs Burgos 1-1 (Marca 1, Mundo 1, DB 4)

    Marca: 26 games, 40 points, avg 1.54 (Rating from 0 to 3)
    Mundo: 26 games, 54 points, avg 2.08 (Rating from 1 to 4)
    Don Balon: 26 games, 155 points, avg 5.96 (Rating from 1 to 10)



    Did anyone have overall Liga 92\93 ratings from Mundo & Marca? Im wondering how Diego played comparing to the rest of the competition.

    How can we compare those ratings from Marca & Mundo to the classic italian scale from 1 to 10? @Vegan10
     
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  8. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Thanks!!
     
  9. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Give me a few hours or a day to include these qualifications in my excel and I will explain the individual result and the result compared to the rest.
     
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  10. MJWizards

    MJWizards Member

    Aug 17, 2019
    Cant wait! Thanks mate! Do you want to do the same thing with Diego Barcelona years?
     
  11. Vegan10

    Vegan10 Member+

    Aug 4, 2011
    I trust Titanlux will explain well the conversion of grades. Thanks!
     
  12. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Once the averages you have provided have been included, I include them in the excel table with the most outstanding players in the league 92-93 and Maradona appears in 62nd place, with an average of 6.30, although it is true that the ratings of Brand help you a lot to raise the average. Look at the extrapolation I used for Marca and Mundo Deportivo. It would be very interesting to have the "spades" of As to give greater significance to the press average (does anyone have these or other sources?)
    liga 1.jpg liga 2.jpg liga 3.jpg
     
  13. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    The conversion is the one that appears in the header of the first image. However, I am not entirely happy with the extrapolation of Marca, since the general average increases a bit (6.57 by 6.21 by Don Balon and 6.41 by Mundo Deportivo). If under the correspondence of Marca "1" to 5.5, the global average would drop to 6.26, much closer to the other two sources.
    If it's of interest, I can post this variation. What I can anticipate is that, for example, the average of Maradona's three sources would drop to 6.22, but at the same time, it would rise to 52nd place in the general classification.

    La conversión es la que aparece en el encabezamiento de la primera imagen. Sin embargo no estoy del todo contento con la extrapolación de Marca, ya que el promedio general se acrecenta un poco (6,57 por 6,21 de Don Balón y 6,41 de Mundo Deportivo). Si bajo la correspondencia del "1" de Marca a 5.5, descendería el promedio global a 6,26, muchísimo más cercano a las otras dos fuentes.
    Si es de interés, puedo publicar esta variación. Lo que sí puedo adelantar que, por ejemplo, el promedio de las tres fuentes de Maradona bajaría a 6,22, pero, al mismo tiempo, ascendería al puesto 52º de la clasificación general.
     
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  14. MJWizards

    MJWizards Member

    Aug 17, 2019
  15. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    Amazing summary statistics, great!
    Do you also have links to the seasons before 1975-76 and the later 90's?
     
  16. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Thanks.

    I must recognized that @Titanlux thread provided a lot more info than this thread
     
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  17. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Thank you, my colleague. It is true that I handle quite a few sources that give averages for each competition; however, due to lack of time, I start with a significant number of candidates for each season, whose number is decreasing after different sieves that results in the best Spanish players, based on statistics, and an XI derived from those supposed best players. Precisely, in these days I will have finished the 1979-80 season, which I will obviously publish in my thread, after which I will make a statistical summary of the second five years of the 80's and the whole decade.
     
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  18. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    @Titanlux
    Are there such detailed rankings in the Marca newspaper as well?
     
  19. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
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  20. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    Aren't Don Balon ratings from 1 to 10? 1975/76
     

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  21. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Hmm, I wonder if that could be a kind of retrospective conversion of their individual match grades, making new averages?

    Maybe @Titanlux has an idea. Was it from an issue from a later year mate though rather than during 1976 itself?

    The Don Balon Spanish Player of the Year (which I thought would be based on the ratings IIRC from some later years) did go to Miguel Angel, not Camacho (so consistent with msioux's listing):
    Spain - Footballer of the Year (rsssf.org)
     
  22. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    For many years the scale was not from 1 to 10. In those cases, I made the corresponding conversion that seemed fairer to me so that those grades would be on a decimal scale and would be more useful and understandable for everyone.
     
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  23. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    On many occasions I commented that the final results differed from what I calculated on a game-by-game basis, something I did, if I recall correctly, for most of the season. I will try to clarify the doubt you have for this particular case.
     
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  24. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Good. The image published by Pavlin came out in the magazine, right at the end of the 1975-76 league, a season in which it was graded on a decimal scale. An important detail, the magazine started after the first league games had already been played. The other one came out many years later (in issue 931 of 1993), and for reasons I don't know, perhaps to match the 0 to 3 scale of many of the successive seasons, it was changed from the original one. To complicate the matter a little more, here is a screenshot of what I got.

    ratings liga Don Balon.jpg
     
  25. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    One hypothesis (perhaps wrong, and I'm not really sure it makes sense): they had given grades for games 1-4 (incorporated into the averages Pavlin found) but couldn't show those in real time after the games because of the start date of the magazine (maybe even things were in place but the final details took longer than expected and they missed the start of the season before they could produce the first magazine...).

    It is a similar situation with Match Magazine and 1979/80 IIRC re: English ratings (as you'll have seen from the posts of Paul W on that 1st Division/Premier League ratings thread).

    Thanks for the help and quick responses anyway mate!
     

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