Historic World Wide Balon d'Or 23 player short lists

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  1. Lasha the Idiotic

    FC Barcelona
    Georgia
    Jul 19, 2021
    What are the overall "Historic Worldwide Ballon d'Or's" for each player tho
     
  2. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    2009

    Modifications on the previous top 23:

    > IN

    ROONEY, Wayne (England & Manchester United [ENG])
    TERRY, John (England & Chelsea [ENG])

    < OUT

    GOURCUFF, Yoann (France & Girondins de Bordeaux [FRA])
    PUYOL, Carles (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])

    Top 23

    ALONSO, Xabi (Spain & Liverpool [ENG])
    CRISTIANO RONALDO (Portugal & Manchester United [ENG])
    DANI ALVES (Brazil & Barcelona [SPA])
    DZEKO, Edin (Bosnia and Herzegovina & Wolfsburg [GER])
    ETO'O, Samuel (Cameroon & Barcelona [SPA])
    FERDINAND, Rio (England & Manchester United [ENG])
    FORLÁN, Diego (Uruguay & Atlético de Madrid [SPA])
    GERRARD, Steven (England & Liverpool [ENG])
    GRAFITE (Brazil & Wolfsburg [GER])
    HENRY, Thierry (France & Barcelona [SPA])
    IBRAHIMOVIC, Zlatan (Sweden & Inter Milan [ITA])
    INIESTA, Andrés (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    JÚLIO CÉSAR Soares (Brazil & Inter Milan [ITA])
    LAMPARD, Frank (England & Chelsea [ENG])
    MAICON (Brazil & Inter Milan [ITA])
    MESSI, Lionel (Argentina & Barcelona [SPA])
    RIBÉRY, Franck (France & Bayern Munich [GER])
    ROONEY, Wayne (England & Manchester United [ENG])
    TERRY, John (England & Chelsea [ENG])
    VAN DER SAR, Edwin (Netherlands & Manchester United [ENG])
    VIDIC, Nemanja (Serbia & Manchester United [ENG])
    VILLA, David (Spain & Valencia [SPA])
    XAVI (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])

    Podium

    MESSI, Lionel (Argentina & Barcelona [SPA])
    XAVI (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    INIESTA, Andrés (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])


    Contenders

    CRISTIANO RONALDO (Portugal & Manchester United [ENG])
    ETO'O, Samuel (Cameroon & Barcelona [SPA])


    Honorable Mentions

    ADRIANO (Brazil & Inter Milan [ITA]/Flamengo [BRA])
    AGÜERO, Sergio (Argentina & Atlético de Madrid [SPA])
    ANELKA, Nicolas (France & Chelsea [ENG])
    ARSHAVIN, Andrey (Russia & Arsenal [ENG])
    BIELER, Claudio (Argentina & Liga de Quito [ECU])
    CAMBIASSO, Esteban (Argentina & Inter Milan [ITA])
    CASILLAS, Íker (Spain & Real Madrid [SPA])
    CASSANO, Antonio (Italy & Sampdoria [ITA])
    CECH, Petr (Czech Republic & Chelsea [ENG])
    CHIELLINI, Giorgio (Italy & Juventus [ITA])
    CISSOKHO, Aly (France & Vitória de Setúbal [POR]/Porto [POR])
    DE ROSSI, Daniele (Italy & AS Roma [ITA])
    DEL PIERO, Alessandro (Italy & Juventus [ITA])
    DESÁBATO, Leandro (Argentina & Estudiantes de La Plata [ARG])
    DI VAIO, Marco (Italy & Bologna [ITA])
    DIARRA, Lassana (France & Portsmouth [ENG]/Real Madrid [SPA])
    DIEGO (Brazil & Werder Bremen [GER])
    DUDA (Portugal & Málaga [SPA])
    EL HAMDAOUI, Mounir (Morocco & AZ Alkmaar [NED])
    EMANÁ, Achille (Cameroon & Real Betis [SPA])
    ÉVRA, Patrice (France & Manchester United [ENG])
    FABREGAS, Cesc (Spain & Arsenal [ENG])
    FELIPE MELO (Brazil & Fiorentina [ITA])
    GIGNAC, André-Pierre (France & Toulouse [FRA])
    GILARDINO, Alberto (Italy & Fiorentina [ITA])
    GÓMEZ, Mario (Germany & Stuttgart [GER])
    GONZÁLEZ, Luis (Argentina & Porto [POR])
    GOURCUFF, Yoann (France & Girondins de Bordeaux [FRA])
    HAMSÍK, Marek (Slovakia & Napoli [ITA])
    HANGELAND, Brede (Norway & Fulham [ENG])
    HELMES, Patrick (Germany & Bayer Leverkusen [GER])
    HIGUAÍN, Gonzalo (Argentina & Real Madrid [SPA])
    IBISEVIC, Vedad (Bosnia and Herzegovina & 1899 Hoffenheim [GER])
    IRELAND, Stephen (Ireland & Manchester City [ENG])
    KAKÁ (Brazil & AC Milan [ITA])
    KANOUTÉ, Frédéric (Mali & Sevilla [SPA])
    KJAER, Simon (Denmark & Palermo [ITA])
    KUYT, Dirk (Netherlands & Liverpool [ENG])
    LÓPEZ, Diego (Spain & Villarreal [SPA])
    MATA, Juan (Spain & Valencia [SPA])
    MICCOLI, Fabrizio (Italy & Palermo [ITA])
    MICHEL BASTOS (Brazil & Lille [FRA])
    MILITO, Diego (Argentina & Genoa [ITA])
    MISIMOVIC, Zvjezdan (Bosnia and Herzegovina & Wolfsburg [GER])
    MUTU, Adrian (Romania & Fiorentina [ITA])
    NAVAS, Jesús (Spain & Sevilla [SPA])
    NEGREDO, Álvaro (Spain & Almería [SPA])
    OLIC, Ivica (Croatia & Hamburg [GER])
    ÖZIL, Mesut (Germany & Werder Bremen [GER])
    PALACIOS, Wilson (Honduras & Wigan Athletic [ENG]/Tottenham Hotspur [ENG])
    PATO, Alexandre (Brazil & AC Milan [ITA])
    PIQUÉ, Gerard (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    PIZARRO, Claudio (Peru & Werder Bremen [GER])
    PUYOL, Carles (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    RAÚL (Spain & Real Madrid [SPA])
    REINA, José Manuel (Spain & Liverpool [ENG])
    ROBBEN, Arjen (Netherlands & Real Madrid [SPA])
    ROBINHO (Brazil & Manchester City [ENG])
    SRNA, Darijo (Croatia & Shakhtar Donetsk [UKR])
    SUÁREZ, Luis (Uruguay & Ajax [NED])
    THIAGO MOTTA (Italy & Genoa [ITA])
    TORRES, Fernando (Spain & Liverpool [ENG])
    VALDÉS, Víctor (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    VAN PERSIE, Robin (Netherlands & Arsenal [ENG])
    VERÓN, Juan Sebastián (Argentina & Estudiantes de La Plata [ARG])
    YOUNG, Ashley (England & Aston Villa [ENG])
    ZÁRATE, Mauro (Argentina & Lazio [ITA])

    All Tops 23
    Honorable Mentions (1920-1984)
    Honorable Mentions (1985- )
     
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  3. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    Having finished the review of the 2000's decade, this would be the cumulative of the last five years and the entire decade based on this simple formula:

    +__1 = Nominations in the top 23 lists
    +0.5 = Nominations in the honorable mentions lists
    +__1 = 1st place
    +0.8 = 2nd place
    +0.6 = 3rd place

    The contenders will add from +0.5, descending -0.1 by occupied position.

    [*] Listed only those that exceeded 2 points.

    2005-2009

    6.3 - CRISTIANO RONALDO (POR)
    5.5 - KAKÁ (BRA)
    5.5 - MESSI, Lionel (ARG)
    5.3 - LAMPARD, Frank (ENG)
    5.3 - RONALDINHO (BRA)
    4.5 - GERRARD, Steven (ENG)
    4.4 - XAVI (SPA)
    4.3 - ETO'O, Samuel (CAM)
    4.3 - HENRY, Thierry (FRA)
    4.0 - IBRAHIMOVIC, Zlatan (SWE)
    4.0 - ROONEY, Wayne (ENG)
    4.0 - TERRY, John (ENG)
    3.6 - INIESTA, Andrés (SPA)
    3.0 - CASILLAS, Íker (SPA)
    3.0 - CECH, Petr (CZR)
    3.0 - DANI ALVES (BRA)
    3.0 - FABREGAS, Cesc (SPA)
    3.0 - FERDINAND, Rio (ENG)
    3.0 - FORLÁN, Diego (URU)
    3.0 - PUYOL, Carles (SPA)
    3.0 - RIQUELME, Juan Román (ARG)
    3.0 - VILLA, David (SPA)
    2.6 - CANNAVARO, Fabio (ITA)
    2.5 - BUFFON, Gianluigi (ITA)
    2.5 - DECO (POR)
    2.5 - ESSIEN, Michael (GHA)
    2.5 - PIRLO, Andrea (ITA)
    2.5 - RIBÉRY, Franck (FRA)
    2.5 - TONI, Luca (ITA)
    2.5 - TOTTI, Francesco (ITA)
    2.5 - VAN DER SAR, Edwin (NED)
    2.5 - VIDIC, Nemanja (SER)
    2.3 - TORRES, Fernando (SPA)
    2.1 - ADRIANO (BRA)

    2000-2009

    10.3 - HENRY, Thierry (FRA)
    8.7 - ZIDANE, Zinedine (FRA)
    8.6 - RONALDINHO (BRA)
    8.0 - TOTTI, Francesco (ITA)
    7.4 - KAKÁ (BRA)
    6.8 - CRISTIANO RONALDO (POR)
    6.4 - VAN NISTELROOY, Ruud (NED)
    6.3 - LAMPARD, Frank (ENG)
    6.2 - SHEVCHENKO, Andriy (UKR)
    5.8 - RAÚL (SPA)
    5.5 - GERRARD, Steven (ENG)
    5.5 - MESSI, Lionel (ARG)
    5.3 - FIGO, Luís (POR)
    5.3 - NEDVED, Pavel (CZR)
    5.3 - ROBERTO CARLOS (BRA)
    5.0 - NESTA, Alessandro (ITA)
    5.0 - RIQUELME, Juan Román (ARG)
    5.0 - VIEIRA, Patrick (FRA)
    4.8 - ETO'O, Samuel (CAM)
    4.5 - BALLACK, Michael (GER)
    4.5 - BUFFON, Gianluigi (ITA)
    4.5 - CASILLAS, Íker (SPA)
    4.5 - DECO (POR)
    4.5 - MAKÉLÉLÉ, Claude (FRA)
    4.5 - PUYOL, Carles (SPA)
    4.5 - ROONEY, Wayne (ENG)
    4.5 - TERRY, John (ENG)
    4.4 - RONALDO (BRA)
    4.4 - XAVI (SPA)
    4.1 - KAHN, Oliver (GER)
    4.0 - FERDINAND, Rio (ENG)
    4.0 - IBRAHIMOVIC, Zlatan (SWE)
    4.0 - PIRES, Robert (FRA)
    4.0 - PIRLO, Andrea (ITA)
    3.6 - ADRIANO (BRA)
    3.6 - INIESTA, Andrés (SPA)
    3.5 - AYALA, Roberto (ARG)
    3.5 - BECKHAM, David (ENG)
    3.5 - CAFU (BRA)
    3.5 - CARVALHO, Ricardo (POR)
    3.5 - CECH, Petr (CZR)
    3.5 - DAVIDS, Edgar (NED)
    3.5 - MALDINI, Paolo (ITA)
    3.5 - TREZEGUET, David (FRA)
    3.1 - CANNAVARO, Fabio (ITA)
    3.0 - AIMAR, Pablo (ARG)
    3.0 - DANI ALVES (BRA)
    3.0 - DEL PIERO, Alessandro (ITA)
    3.0 - FABREGAS, Cesc (SPA)
    3.0 - FORLÁN, Diego (URU)
    3.0 - GIGGS, Ryan (WAL)
    3.0 - JUNINHO Pernambucano (BRA)
    3.0 - MAKAAY, Roy (NED)
    3.0 - RIVALDO (BRA)
    3.0 - ROBINHO (BRA)
    3.0 - SCHOLES, Paul (ENG)
    3.0 - THURAM, Lilian (FRA)
    3.0 - VERÓN, Juan Sebastián (ARG)
    3.0 - VILLA, David (SPA)
    3.0 - ZANETTI, Javier (ARG)
    2.8 - TORRES, Fernando (SPA)
    2.5 - CRESPO, Hernán (ARG)
    2.5 - DIEGO (BRA)
    2.5 - ÉMERSON (BRA)
    2.5 - ESSIEN, Michael (GHA)
    2.5 - KEANE, Roy (IRE)
    2.5 - LÚCIO (BRA)
    2.5 - MUTU, Adrian (ROM)
    2.5 - RIBÉRY, Franck (FRA)
    2.5 - TÉVEZ, Carlos (ARG)
    2.5 - TONI, Luca (ITA)
    2.5 - VAN DER SAR, Edwin (NED)
    2.5 - VIDIC, Nemanja (SER)
    2.5 - VIERI, Christian (ITA)
    2.4 - DROGBA, Didier (IVC)
    2.4 - OWEN, Michael (ENG)

    All statistics
     
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  4. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    Well, making the total count using the formula described, this is how all the results of the 2000's (2000-2009) come out by position:

    Goalkeepers

    4.5 - BUFFON, Gianluigi (ITA)
    4.5 - CASILLAS, Íker (SPA)
    4.1 - KAHN, Oliver (GER)
    3.5 - CECH, Petr (CZR)
    2.5 - VAN DER SAR, Edwin (NED)
    2.0 - JÚLIO CÉSAR (BRA)
    2.0 - TOLDO, Francesco (ITA)
    1.5 - CAÑIZARES, Santiago (SPA)
    1.5 - DIDA (BRA)
    1.5 - FREY, Sébastien (FRA)
    1.5 - ROGÉRIO CENI (BRA)
    1.0 - BARTHEZ, Fabien (FRA)
    1.0 - CÓRDOBA, Óscar (COL)
    1.0 - COUPET, Grégory (FRA)
    1.0 - HILDEBRAND, Timo (GER)
    1.0 - LEHMANN, Jens (GER)
    1.0 - REINA, José Manuel (SPA)
    1.0 - VALDÉS, Víctor (SPA)
    0.5 - ABBONDANZIERI, Roberto (ARG)
    0.5 - ADLER, René (GER)
    0.5 - BAÍA, Vítor (POR)
    0.5 - DUDEK, Jerzy (POL)
    0.5 - FRIEDEL, Brad (USA)
    0.5 - JAMES, David (ENG)
    0.5 - LÓPEZ, Diego (SPA)
    0.5 - MARCOS (BRA)
    0.5 - MARTYN, Nigel (ENG)
    0.5 - PAGLIUCA, Gianluca (ITA)
    0.5 - PALOP, Andrés (SPA)
    0.5 - PELIZZOLI, Ivan (ITA)
    0.5 - PERUZZI, Angelo (ITA)
    0.5 - RÜSTÜ Reçber (TUR)
    0.5 - WESTERVELD, Sander (NED)

    Centre-Backs

    5.0 - NESTA, Alessandro (ITA)
    4.5 - PUYOL, Carles (SPA)
    4.5 - TERRY, John (ENG)
    4.0 - FERDINAND, Rio (ENG)
    3.5 - AYALA, Roberto (ARG)
    3.5 - CARVALHO, Ricardo (POR)
    3.5 - MALDINI, Paolo (ITA)
    3.1 - CANNAVARO, Fabio (ITA)
    2.5 - LÚCIO (BRA)
    2.5 - VIDIC, Nemanja (SER)
    2.0 - SAMUEL, Walter (ARG)
    1.5 - CAMPBELL, Sol (ENG)
    1.5 - CARRAGHER, Jamie (ENG)
    1.5 - HELGUERA, Iván (SPA)
    1.5 - HYYPIÄ, Sami (FIN)
    1.5 - STAM, Jaap (NED)
    1.0 - BORDON, Marcelo (BRA)
    1.0 - CHIELLINI, Giorgio (ITA)
    1.0 - CRIS (BRA)
    1.0 - DONATO (SPA)
    1.0 - FERRARA, Ciro (ITA)
    1.0 - GALLAS, William (FRA)
    1.0 - HIERRO, Fernando (SPA)
    1.0 - MÁRQUEZ, Rafael (MEX)
    1.0 - MATERAZZI, Marco (ITA)
    1.0 - MONTERO, Paolo (URU)
    1.0 - NOWOTNY, Jens (GER)
    1.0 - PANUCCI, Christian (ITA)
    1.0 - TOURÉ, Kolo (IVC)
    0.5 - ABELARDO (SPA)
    0.5 - AGGER, Daniel (DEN)
    0.5 - ANDERSSON, Patrik (SWE)
    0.5 - ANDRADE, Jorge (POR)
    0.5 - BERMÚDEZ, Jorge (COL)
    0.5 - BLANC, Laurent (FRA)
    0.5 - CHIVU, Cristian (ROM)
    0.5 - COLOCCINI, Fabricio (ARG)
    0.5 - CÓRDOBA, Iván (COL)
    0.5 - DE BOER, Frank (NED)
    0.5 - DEMICHELIS, Martín (ARG)
    0.5 - DESÁBATO, Leandro (ARG)
    0.5 - DESAILLY, Marcel (FRA)
    0.5 - HANGELAND, Brede (NOR)
    0.5 - HENCHOZ, Stéphane (SWI)
    0.5 - HONG Myung-bo (SKO)
    0.5 - JAVI NAVARRO (SPA)
    0.5 - JORGE COSTA (POR)
    0.5 - JUAN (BRA)
    0.5 - KALADZE, Kakha (GEO)
    0.5 - KING, Ledley (ENG)
    0.5 - KJAER, Simon (DEN)
    0.5 - KUFFOUR, Samuel (GHA)
    0.5 - LESCOTT, Joleon (ENG)
    0.5 - LUGANO, Diego (URU)
    0.5 - MERTESACKER, Per (GER)
    0.5 - MIHAJLOVIC, Sinisa (YUG)
    0.5 - NALDO (BRA)
    0.5 - PEREA, Luis (COL)
    0.5 - PIQUÉ, Gerard (SPA)
    0.5 - TUDOR, Igor (CRO)
    0.5 - VAN BUYTEN, Daniel (BEL)
    0.5 - YEPES, Mario (COL)

    Right-Backs

    3.5 - CAFU (BRA)
    3.0 - DANI ALVES (BRA)
    3.0 - THURAM, Lilian (FRA)
    3.0 - ZANETTI, Javier (ARG)
    2.0 - MAICON (BRA)
    1.5 - RAMOS, Sergio (SPA)
    1.0 - ANGLOMA, Jocelyn (FRA)
    0.5 - CICINHO (BRA)
    0.5 - CONTRA, Cosmin (ROM)
    0.5 - FERREIRA, Paulo (POR)
    0.5 - IBARRA, Hugo (ARG)
    0.5 - MAGGIO, Christian (ITA)
    0.5 - MANUEL PABLO (SPA)
    0.5 - SAGNA, Bacary (FRA)
    0.5 - SAGNOL, Willy (FRA)
    0.5 - SALGADO, Míchel (SPA)
    0.5 - SRNA, Darijo (CRO)

    Left-Backs

    5.3 - ROBERTO CARLOS (BRA)
    2.0 - COLE, Ashley (ENG)
    2.0 - ÉVRA, Patrice (FRA)
    2.0 - ZAMBROTTA, Gianluca (ITA)
    1.0 - CANDELA, Vincent (FRA)
    1.0 - LAHM, Philipp (GER)
    1.0 - LIZARAZU, Bixente (FRA)
    1.0 - SORÍN, Juan Pablo (ARG)
    0.5 - CISSOKHO, Aly (FRA)
    0.5 - CLICHY, Gaël (FRA)
    0.5 - HEINZE, Gabriel (ARG)
    0.5 - MOREL RODRÍGUEZ, Claudio (PAR)
    0.5 - PERNÍA, Mariano (SPA)
    0.5 - RIISE, John Arne (NOR)
    0.5 - SERGINHO (BRA)

    Defensive Midfielders

    4.5 - MAKÉLÉLÉ, Claude (FRA)
    2.5 - ÉMERSON (BRA)
    2.0 - ALONSO, Xabi (SPA)
    2.0 - CAMBIASSO, Esteban (ARG)
    2.0 - DE ROSSI, Daniele (ITA)
    2.0 - GATTUSO, Gennaro (ITA)
    1.5 - MASCHERANO, Javier (ARG)
    1.5 - MAURO SILVA (BRA)
    1.5 - SENNA, Marcos (SPA)
    1.0 - ALBELDA, David (SPA)
    1.0 - GILBERTO SILVA (BRA)
    1.0 - REDONDO, Fernando (ARG)
    0.5 - CARRICK, Michael (ENG)
    0.5 - CORINI, Eugenio (ITA)
    0.5 - COSTINHA (POR)
    0.5 - DIARRA, Lassana (FRA)
    0.5 - DIARRA, Mahamadou (MAL)
    0.5 - FELIPE MELO (BRA)
    0.5 - GUARDIOLA, Josep (SPA)
    0.5 - HAMANN, Dietmar (GER)
    0.5 - LUCAS LEIVA (BRA)
    0.5 - PARDO, Pável (MEX)
    0.5 - PETIT (POR)
    0.5 - POULSEN, Christian (DEN)
    0.5 - RAMELOW, Carsten (GER)
    0.5 - SERNA, Mauricio (COL)
    0.5 - THIAGO MOTTA (ITA)
    0.5 - TYMOSHCHUK, Anatoliy (UKR)
    0.5 - ZAGORAKIS, Theodoros (GRE)

    Central Midfielders

    6.3 - LAMPARD, Frank (ENG)
    5.5 - GERRARD, Steven (ENG)
    5.0 - VIEIRA, Patrick (FRA)
    4.5 - BALLACK, Michael (GER)
    4.4 - XAVI (SPA)
    4.0 - PIRLO, Andrea (ITA)
    3.5 - DAVIDS, Edgar (NED)
    3.0 - FABREGAS, Cesc (SPA)
    3.0 - SCHOLES, Paul (ENG)
    3.0 - VERÓN, Juan Sebastián (ARG)
    2.5 - ESSIEN, Michael (GHA)
    2.5 - KEANE, Roy (IRE)
    2.0 - BARAJA, Rubén (SPA)
    2.0 - MENDIETA, Gaizka (SPA)
    1.5 - EFFENBERG, Stefan (GER)
    1.5 - FRINGS, Torsten (GER)
    1.5 - SEEDORF, Clarence (NED)
    1.0 - ARTETA, Mikel (SPA)
    1.0 - COCU, Phillip (NED)
    1.0 - GONZÁLEZ, Luis (ARG)
    1.0 - MANICHE (POR)
    1.0 - PIZARRO, David (CHI)
    1.0 - STANKOVIC, Dejan (S&M)
    1.0 - VAN BOMMEL, Mark (NED)
    0.5 - ACUÑA, Roberto (PAR)
    0.5 - BANEGA, Éver (ARG)
    0.5 - BARRY, Gareth (ENG)
    0.5 - BOWYER, Lee (ENG)
    0.5 - BRIGHI, Matteo (ITA)
    0.5 - DE LA PEÑA, Iván (SPA)
    0.5 - DYER, Kieron (ENG)
    0.5 - ELANO (BRA)
    0.5 - ERNST, Fabian (GER)
    0.5 - GAGO, Fernando (ARG)
    0.5 - GERARD López (SPA)
    0.5 - HAMSÍK, Marek (SVK)
    0.5 - KEITA, Seydou (MAL)
    0.5 - MARESCA, Enzo (ITA)
    0.5 - PALACIOS, Wilson (HON)
    0.5 - SCHWEINSTEIGER, Bastian (GER)
    0.5 - SIMEONE, Diego (ARG)
    0.5 - TIAGO (POR)
    0.5 - TOMMASI, Damiano (ITA)

    Attacking-Midfielders

    8.7 - ZIDANE, Zinedine (FRA)
    8.0 - TOTTI, Francesco (ITA)
    7.4 - KAKÁ (BRA)
    5.0 - RIQUELME, Juan Román (ARG)
    4.5 - DECO (POR)
    3.6 - INIESTA, Andrés (SPA)
    3.0 - AIMAR, Pablo (ARG)
    3.0 - JUNINHO Pernambucano (BRA)
    2.5 - DIEGO (BRA)
    2.0 - ALEX de Souza (BRA)
    2.0 - COLE, Joe (ENG)
    2.0 - RUI COSTA (POR)
    1.5 - SNEIJDER, Wesley (NED)
    1.5 - VALERÓN, Juan Carlos (SPA)
    1.5 - VAN DER VAART, Rafael (NED)
    1.0 - BAPTISTA, Júlio (BRA)
    1.0 - CAZORLA, Santi (SPA)
    1.0 - DJALMINHA (BRA)
    1.0 - FIORE, Stefano (ITA)
    1.0 - GUTI (SPA)
    1.0 - IBAGAZA, Ariel (ARG)
    1.0 - MICOUD, Johan (FRA)
    1.0 - MOSTOVOI, Aleksandr (RUS)
    1.0 - OKOCHA, Augustine (NIG)
    1.0 - PERROTTA, Simone (ITA)
    1.0 - SILVA, David (SPA)
    0.5 - ALEX Meschini (BRA)
    0.5 - BASTÜRK, Yildiray (TUR)
    0.5 - CARRIERE, Éric (FRA)
    0.5 - CARVALHO, Daniel (BRA)
    0.5 - D'ALESSANDRO, Andrés (ARG)
    0.5 - DONI, Cristiano (ITA)
    0.5 - EDÚ Schmidt (BRA)
    0.5 - EMANÁ, Achille (CAM)
    0.5 - FERNÁNDEZ, Matías (CHI)
    0.5 - GALLARDO, Marcelo (ARG)
    0.5 - GOURCUFF, Yoann (FRA)
    0.5 - HAGI, Gheorghe (ROM)
    0.5 - HERNANES (BRA)
    0.5 - IRELAND, Stephen (IRE)
    0.5 - LINCOLN (BRA)
    0.5 - MALBRANQUE, Steed (FRA)
    0.5 - MANSO, Damián (ARG)
    0.5 - MARCELINHO Paraíba (BRA)
    0.5 - MATA, Juan (SPA)
    0.5 - McALLISTER, Gary (SCO)
    0.5 - MISIMOVIC, Zvjezdan (B&H)
    0.5 - NAKAMURA, Shunsuke (JAP)
    0.5 - ORTEGA, Ariel (ARG)
    0.5 - ÖZIL, Mesut (GER)
    0.5 - PAULO SÉRGIO (BRA)
    0.5 - POYET, Gustavo (URU)
    0.5 - SÁNCHEZ, Erwin (BOL)
    0.5 - SCHOLL, Mehmet (GER)
    0.5 - VALDIVIA, Jorge (CHI)

    Right-Midfielder/Winger

    6.8 - CRISTIANO RONALDO (POR)
    5.5 - MESSI, Lionel (ARG)
    5.3 - FIGO, Luís (POR)
    3.5 - BECKHAM, David (ENG)
    2.0 - CAMORANESI, Mauro (ITA)
    1.5 - GIULY, Ludovic (FRA)
    1.5 - JOAQUÍN (SPA)
    1.5 - QUARESMA, Ricardo (POR)
    1.0 - LJUNGBERG, Fredrik (SWE)
    1.0 - MAXI RODRÍGUEZ (ARG)
    1.0 - NAVAS, Jesús (SPA)
    1.0 - ROBBEN, Arjen (NED)
    1.0 - SOLANO, Nolberto (PER)
    0.5 - ETXEBERRIA, Joseba (SPA)
    0.5 - GARCÍA, Luis (SPA)
    0.5 - GUERRÓN, Joffre (ECU)
    0.5 - KARPIN, Valeri (RUS)
    0.5 - LUIS ENRIQUE (SPA)
    0.5 - MAHDAVIKIA, Mehdi (IRN)
    0.5 - McMANAMAN, Steve (ENG)
    0.5 - PARK Ji-sung (SKO)
    0.5 - SAS, Hasan (TUR)
    0.5 - SCHNEIDER, Bernd (GER)
    0.5 - WRIGHT-PHILLIPS, Shaun (ENG)

    Left-Midfielder/Winger

    5.3 - NEDVED, Pavel (CZR)
    4.0 - PIRES, Robert (FRA)
    3.0 - GIGGS, Ryan (WAL)
    2.5 - RIBÉRY, Franck (FRA)
    2.0 - ZÉ ROBERTO (BRA)
    1.5 - ARSHAVIN, Andrey (RUS)
    1.5 - DUFF, Damien (IRE)
    1.5 - MANCINI (BRA)
    1.5 - REYES, José Antonio (SPA)
    1.0 - DE PEDRO, Javier (SPA)
    1.0 - KEWELL, Harry (AUS)
    1.0 - KILY GONZÁLEZ, Cristian (ARG)
    1.0 - MALOUDA, Florent (FRA)
    1.0 - OVERMARS, Marc (NED)
    1.0 - VICENTE (SPA)
    1.0 - YOUNG, Ashley (ENG)
    0.5 - DUDA (POR)
    0.5 - MICHEL BASTOS (BRA)
    0.5 - ROBERT, Laurent (FRA)
    0.5 - ROTHEN, Jérome (FRA)
    0.5 - VARGAS, Juan (PER)
    0.5 - ZHIRKOV, Yuri (RUS)

    Forwards

    8.6 - RONALDINHO (BRA)
    5.8 - RAÚL (SPA)
    4.5 - ROONEY, Wayne (ENG)
    3.0 - DEL PIERO, Alessandro (ITA)
    3.0 - RIVALDO (BRA)
    3.0 - ROBINHO (BRA)
    2.5 - MUTU, Adrian (ROM)
    2.5 - TÉVEZ, Carlos (ARG)
    2.0 - KUYT, Dirk (NED)
    1.5 - BAGGIO, Roberto (ITA)
    1.5 - CASSANO, Antonio (ITA)
    1.5 - NIHAT Kahveci (TUR)
    1.5 - RECOBA, Álvaro (URU)
    1.0 - FARFÁN, Jefferson (PER)
    1.0 - KEANE, Robbie (IRE)
    1.0 - LÓPEZ, Claudio (ARG)
    1.0 - PALACIO, Rodrigo (ARG)
    1.0 - PODOLSKI, Lukas (GER)
    0.5 - ALTINTOP, Halil (TUR)
    0.5 - BARBAREZ, Sergej (B&H)
    0.5 - BELLAMY, Craig (WAL)
    0.5 - BERGKAMP, Dennis (NED)
    0.5 - DI CANIO, Paolo (ITA)
    0.5 - DIOUF, El Hadji (SEN)
    0.5 - EWERTHON (BRA)
    0.5 - MICCOLI, Fabrizio (ITA)
    0.5 - MINTÁL, Marek (SVK)
    0.5 - MUNITIS, Pedro (SPA)
    0.5 - NEUVILLE, Oliver (GER)
    0.5 - OLIC, Ivica (CRO)
    0.5 - PATO, Alexandre (BRA)
    0.5 - REBROV, Serhiy (UKR)
    0.5 - SHERINGHAM, Teddy (ENG)
    0.5 - SIMONE, Marco (ITA)
    0.5 - SMITH, Alan (ENG)
    0.5 - SUÁREZ, Luis (URU)
    0.5 - TOMASSON, Jon Dahl (DEN)
    0.5 - VAN PERSIE, Robin (NED)
    0.5 - VUCINIC, Mirko (S&M)
    0.5 - WILTORD, Sylvain (FRA)
    0.5 - ZÁRATE, Mauro (ARG)
    0.5 - ZOLA, Gianfranco (ITA)

    Strikers

    10.3 - HENRY, Thierry (FRA)
    6.4 - VAN NISTELROOY, Ruud (NED)
    6.2 - SHEVCHENKO, Andriy (UKR)
    4.8 - ETO'O, Samuel (CAM)
    4.4 - RONALDO (BRA)
    4.0 - IBRAHIMOVIC, Zlatan (SWE)
    3.6 - ADRIANO (BRA)
    3.5 - TREZEGUET, David (FRA)
    3.0 - FORLÁN, Diego (URU)
    3.0 - MAKAAY, Roy (NED)
    3.0 - VILLA, David (SPA)
    2.8 - TORRES, Fernando (SPA)
    2.5 - CRESPO, Hernán (ARG)
    2.5 - TONI, Luca (ITA)
    2.5 - VIERI, Christian (ITA)
    2.4 - DROGBA, Didier (IVC)
    2.4 - OWEN, Michael (ENG)
    2.0 - BERBATOV, Dimitar (BUL)
    2.0 - JARDEL, Mário (BRA)
    2.0 - KANOUTÉ, Frédéric (MAL)
    2.0 - KLUIVERT, Patrick (NED)
    2.0 - LARSSON, Henrik (SWE)
    2.0 - SHEARER, Alan (ENG)
    1.7 - TRISTÁN, Diego (SPA)
    1.5 - AGÜERO, Sergio (ARG)
    1.5 - BATISTUTA, Gabriel (ARG)
    1.5 - ÉLBER, Giovane (BRA)
    1.5 - GILARDINO, Alberto (ITA)
    1.5 - HASSELBAINK, Jimmy Floyd (NED)
    1.5 - HUNTELAAR, Klaas-Jan (NED)
    1.5 - KEZMAN, Mateja (S&M)
    1.5 - KLOSE, Miroslav (GER)
    1.5 - LUÍS FABIANO (BRA)
    1.5 - MILITO, Diego (ARG)
    1.5 - MONTELLA, Vincenzo (ITA)
    1.5 - MORIENTES, Fernando (SPA)
    1.5 - PALERMO, Martín (ARG)
    1.5 - PAULETA (POR)
    1.5 - ROMÁRIO (BRA)
    1.5 - SAVIOLA, Javier (ARG)
    1.0 - ADEBAYOR, Emmanuel (TOG)
    1.0 - AÍLTON (BRA)
    1.0 - ANDERSON, Sonny (BRA)
    1.0 - CABAÑAS, Salvador (PAR)
    1.0 - CATANHA (SPA)
    1.0 - CISSÉ, Djibril (FRA)
    1.0 - DZEKO, Edin (B&H)
    1.0 - GÓMEZ, Mario (GER)
    1.0 - GRAFITE (BRA)
    1.0 - LUCARELLI, Cristiano (ITA)
    1.0 - MAX, Martin (GER)
    1.0 - OLIVEIRA, Ricardo (BRA)
    1.0 - PHILLIPS, Kevin (ENG)
    1.0 - PIZARRO, Claudio (PER)
    1.0 - SUAZO, Humberto (CHI)
    1.0 - VIDUKA, Mark (AUS)
    0.5 - AFONSO ALVES (BRA)
    0.5 - AMOROSO, Márcio (BRA)
    0.5 - ANELKA, Nicolas (FRA)
    0.5 - ÁNGEL, Juan Pablo (COL)
    0.5 - BEATTIE, James (ENG)
    0.5 - BENZEMA, Karim (FRA)
    0.5 - BIELER, Claudio (ARG)
    0.5 - BORGETTI, Jared (MEX)
    0.5 - BORRIELLO, Marco (ITA)
    0.5 - CARDOZO, José Saturnino (PAR)
    0.5 - CHEVANTÓN, Javier (URU)
    0.5 - CHIESA, Enrico (ITA)
    0.5 - COLE, Andy (ENG)
    0.5 - DANI GÜIZA (SPA)
    0.5 - DERLEI (BRA)
    0.5 - DI VAIO, Marco (ITA)
    0.5 - EL HAMDAOUI, Mounir (MOR)
    0.5 - FERNANDAO (BRA)
    0.5 - GEKAS, Theofanis (GRE)
    0.5 - GIGNAC, André-Pierre (FRA)
    0.5 - HARTSON, John (WAL)
    0.5 - HELMES, Patrick (GER)
    0.5 - HESKEY, Emile (ENG)
    0.5 - HIGUAÍN, Gonzalo (ARG)
    0.5 - HÜBNER, Dario (ITA)
    0.5 - IBISEVIC, Vedad (B&H)
    0.5 - INZAGHI, Filippo (ITA)
    0.5 - JAVI MORENO (SPA)
    0.5 - JOHNSON, Andrew (ENG)
    0.5 - KOLLER, Jan (CZR)
    0.5 - KOVACEVIC, Darko (S&M)
    0.5 - KURÁNYI, Kevin (GER)
    0.5 - LIÉDSON (POR)
    0.5 - LÓPEZ, Lisandro (ARG)
    0.5 - McCARTHY, Benni (SAF)
    0.5 - MILOSEVIC, Savo (YUG)
    0.5 - MISTA (SPA)
    0.5 - NEGREDO, Álvaro (SPA)
    0.5 - NILMAR (BRA)
    0.5 - NONDA, Shabani (DRC)
    0.5 - NUNO GOMES (POR)
    0.5 - ROMEO, Bernardo (ARG)
    0.5 - SAHA, Louis (FRA)
    0.5 - SALVA (SPA)
    0.5 - SAND, Ebbe (DEN)
    0.5 - SANTA CRUZ, Roque (PAR)
    0.5 - SOLSKJAER, Ole Gunnar (NOR)
    0.5 - STEWART, Marcus (ENG)
    0.5 - SUAZO, David (HON)
    0.5 - TAMUDO, Raúl (SPA)
    0.5 - VAN HOOIJDONK, Pierre (NED)
    0.5 - YORKE, Dwight (T&T)

    They're categorized according to their most recurrent positions (more or less) in the 2000's (1999-00 to 2008-09) (although a few didn't have a dominant position).

    I must confess that the results seem satisfactory to me, very much in line with my general sensations to be just a measure of scales per season.

    I'll do the same count for the 1995-2004 period.
     
  5. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I just want to say that I am a fan of using these overlapping periods like 95-04 and 00-09. Gives a much better picture than the usual "decades".
     
  6. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    The same formula applied to the 1995-2004 period:

    Goalkeepers

    5.6 - KAHN, Oliver (GER)
    3.0 - BUFFON, Gianluigi (ITA)
    2.5 - PERUZZI, Angelo (ITA)
    2.5 - SCHMEICHEL, Peter (DEN)
    2.5 - TOLDO, Francesco (ITA)
    2.0 - CHILAVERT, José Luis (PAR)
    1.5 - BAÍA, Vítor (POR)
    1.5 - BARTHEZ, Fabien (FRA)
    1.5 - CAÑIZARES, Santiago (SPA)
    1.5 - CASILLAS, Íker (SPA)
    1.5 - VAN DER SAR, Edwin (NED)
    1.0 - CÓRDOBA, Óscar (COL)
    1.0 - DIDA (BRA)
    1.0 - KÖPKE, Andreas (GER)
    1.0 - MARCOS (BRA)
    1.0 - PAGLIUCA, Gianluca (ITA)
    0.5 - ABBONDANZIERI, Roberto (ARG)
    0.5 - BUYO, Francisco (SPA)
    0.5 - CECH, Petr (CZR)
    0.5 - DUDEK, Jerzy (POL)
    0.5 - FREY, Sébastien (FRA)
    0.5 - FRIEDEL, Brad (USA)
    0.5 - HILDEBRAND, Timo (GER)
    0.5 - KLOS, Stefan (GER)
    0.5 - KONSEL, Michael (AUT)
    0.5 - LAMA, Bernard (FRA)
    0.5 - LEHMANN, Jens (GER)
    0.5 - MARCHEGIANI, Luca (ITA)
    0.5 - MARTYN, Nigel (ENG)
    0.5 - MOLINA, José Francisco (SPA)
    0.5 - PELIZZOLI, Ivan (ITA)
    0.5 - RAVELLI, Thomas (SWE)
    0.5 - ROA, Carlos (ARG)
    0.5 - RÜSTÜ Reçber (TUR)
    0.5 - SEAMAN, David (ENG)
    0.5 - SONGO'O, Jacques (CAM)
    0.5 - WESTERVELD, Sander (NED)

    Centre-Backs

    6.0 - NESTA, Alessandro (ITA)
    4.0 - BLANC, Laurent (FRA)
    3.7 - SAMMER, Matthias (GER)
    3.5 - HIERRO, Fernando (SPA)
    3.5 - STAM, Jaap (NED)
    3.0 - AYALA, Roberto (SPA)
    3.0 - CAMPBELL, Sol (ENG)
    3.0 - DESAILLY, Marcel (FRA)
    3.0 - FERRARA, Ciro (ITA)
    2.5 - DE BOER, Frank (NED)
    2.0 - BLIND, Danny (NED)
    2.0 - CANNAVARO, Fabio (ITA)
    2.0 - SAMUEL, Walter (ARG)
    1.5 - ADAMS, Tony (ENG)
    1.5 - CARVALHO, Ricardo (POR)
    1.5 - HYYPIÄ, Sami (FIN)
    1.5 - KOHLER, Jürgen (GER)
    1.5 - LÚCIO (BRA)
    1.5 - MONTERO, Paolo (ITA)
    1.5 - NOWOTNY, Jens (GER)
    1.0 - ANDERSSON, Patrik (SWE)
    1.0 - FERDINAND, Rio (ENG)
    1.0 - GAMARRA, Carlos (PAR)
    1.0 - MATTHÄUS, Lothar (GER)
    1.0 - MIHAJLOVIC, Sinisa (YUG)
    1.0 - RIJKAARD, Frank (NED)
    1.0 - THON, Olaf (GER)
    0.5 - ABELARDO (SPA)
    0.5 - ALBERT, Philippe (BEL)
    0.5 - ALDAIR (BRA)
    0.5 - ANDRADE, Jorge (POR)
    0.5 - AYALA, Celso (PAR)
    0.5 - BARESI, Franco (ITA)
    0.5 - BERGOMI, Giuseppe (ITA)
    0.5 - BERMÚDEZ, Jorge (COL)
    0.5 - BORDON, Marcelo (BRA)
    0.5 - CAMPO, Iván (SPA)
    0.5 - CHIVU, Cristian (ROM)
    0.5 - COLOCCINI, Fabricio (ARG)
    0.5 - CÓRDOBA, Iván (COL)
    0.5 - COUTO, Fernando (POR)
    0.5 - GALLAS, William (FRA)
    0.5 - HELMER, Thomas (GER)
    0.5 - HENCHOZ, Stéphane (SWI)
    0.5 - HENDRY, Colin (SCO)
    0.5 - HONG Myung-bo (SKO)
    0.5 - JORGE COSTA (POR)
    0.5 - JUAN (BRA)
    0.5 - JÚLIO CÉSAR da Silva (BRA)
    0.5 - KUFFOUR, Samuel (GHA)
    0.5 - MARCELINO Elena (SPA)
    0.5 - NAYBET, Noureddine (MOR)
    0.5 - PALLISTER, Gary (ENG)
    0.5 - RÍOS, Roberto (SPA)
    0.5 - SENSINI, Roberto (ARG)
    0.5 - TERRY, John (ENG)
    0.5 - TOURÉ, Kolo (IVC)
    0.5 - TUDOR, Igor (CRO)
    0.5 - VAN BUYTEN, Daniel (BEL)
    0.5 - VERLAAT, Frank (NED)
    0.5 - WÖRNS, Christian (GER)
    0.5 - YEPES, Mario (COL)

    Right-Backs

    3.5 - CAFU (BRA)
    2.0 - ZANETTI, Javier (ARG)
    1.5 - ANGLOMA, Jocelyn (FRA)
    1.5 - ARCE, Francisco (PAR)
    1.5 - PUYOL, Carles (SPA)
    1.0 - NEVILLE, Gary (ENG)
    1.0 - REIZIGER, Michael (NED)
    1.0 - SALGADO, Míchel (SPA)
    0.5 - CONTRA, Cosmin (ROM)
    0.5 - FERREIRA, Paulo (POR)
    0.5 - MANUEL PABLO (SPA)

    Left-Backs

    9.1 - ROBERTO CARLOS (BRA)
    5.5 - MALDINI, Paolo (ITA)
    2.0 - LIZARAZU, Bixente (FRA)
    1.5 - COLE, Ashley (ENG)
    1.0 - CANDELA, Vincent (FRA)
    1.0 - SERGI (SPA)
    1.0 - SORÍN, Juan Pablo (ARG)
    0.5 - ÉVRA, Patrice (FRA)
    0.5 - JARNI, Robert (CRO)
    0.5 - LE SAUX, Graeme (ENG)
    0.5 - RIISE, John Arne (NOR)
    0.5 - SERGINHO (BRA)

    Defensive Midfielders

    3.0 - MAKÉLÉLÉ, Claude (FRA)
    2.5 - REDONDO, Fernando (ARG)
    2.0 - DESCHAMPS, Didier (FRA)
    2.0 - ÉMERSON (BRA)
    1.5 - GUARDIOLA, Josep (SPA)
    1.5 - HELGUERA, Iván (SPA)
    1.5 - MAURO SILVA (BRA)
    1.0 - ALBELDA, David (SPA)
    1.0 - CORINI, Eugenio (ITA)
    1.0 - DONATO (SPA)
    1.0 - GATTUSO, Gennaro (ITA)
    1.0 - MAZINHO (BRA)
    1.0 - PAULO SOUSA (POR)
    1.0 - PETIT, Emmanuel (FRA)
    0.5 - ALMEYDA, Matías (ARG)
    0.5 - ALONSO, Xabi (SPA)
    0.5 - BAGGIO, Dino (ITA)
    0.5 - BATTY, David (ENG)
    0.5 - COSTINHA (POR)
    0.5 - DI BIAGIO, Luigi (ITA)
    0.5 - DUNGA (BRA)
    0.5 - EILTS, Dieter (GER)
    0.5 - GILBERTO SILVA (BRA)
    0.5 - HAMANN, Dietmar (GER)
    0.5 - JEREMIES, Jens (GER)
    0.5 - KAREMBEU, Christian (FRA)
    0.5 - MASCHERANO, Javier (ARG)
    0.5 - RAMELOW, Carsten (GER)
    0.5 - SERNA, Mauricio (COL)
    0.5 - ZAGORAKIS, Theodoros (GRE)

    Central Midfielders

    6.5 - VIEIRA, Patrick (FRA)
    5.5 - DAVIDS, Edgar (NED)
    4.5 - KEANE, Roy (IRE)
    3.5 - VERÓN, Juan Sebastián (ARG)
    3.0 - EFFENBERG, Stefan (GER)
    3.0 - SCHOLES, Paul (ENG)
    2.5 - BALLACK, Michael (GER)
    2.5 - MENDIETA, Gaizka (SPA)
    2.5 - SEEDORF, Clarence (NED)
    2.0 - BARAJA, Rubén (SPA)
    2.0 - SIMEONE, Diego (ARG)
    1.5 - PIRLO, Andrea (ITA)
    1.0 - ALBERTINI, Demetrio (ITA)
    1.0 - CAMINERO, José Luis (SPA)
    1.0 - GERRARD, Steven (ENG)
    1.0 - LAMPARD, Frank (ENG)
    1.0 - LEE, Rob (ENG)
    0.5 - ACUÑA, Roberto (PAR)
    0.5 - BOWYER, Lee (ENG)
    0.5 - BRIGHI, Matteo (ITA)
    0.5 - COCU, Phillip (NED)
    0.5 - DI MATTEO, Roberto (ITA)
    0.5 - DYER, Kieron (ENG)
    0.5 - ELANO (BRA)
    0.5 - ERNST, Fabian (GER)
    0.5 - FRINGS, Torsten (GER)
    0.5 - GERARD López (SPA)
    0.5 - GONZÁLEZ, Luis (ARG)
    0.5 - GUÉRIN, Vincent (FRA)
    0.5 - INCE, Paul (ENG)
    0.5 - JUGOVIC, Vladimir (YUG)
    0.5 - MANICHE (POR)
    0.5 - PIZARRO, David (CHI)
    0.5 - RINCÓN, Freddy (COL)
    0.5 - SFORZA, Ciriaco (SWI)
    0.5 - SHERWOOD, Tim (ENG)
    0.5 - STANKOVIC, Dejan (S&M)
    0.5 - TOMMASI, Damiano (ITA)
    0.5 - VAMPETA (BRA)
    0.5 - VAN BOMMEL, Mark (NED)
    0.5 - WINTER, Aron (NED)
    0.5 - ZORC, Michael (GER)

    Attacking-Midfielders

    11.6 - ZIDANE, Zinedine (FRA)
    6.5 - TOTTI, Francesco (ITA)
    5.0 - RUI COSTA (POR)
    4.3 - LITMANEN, Jari (FIN)
    2.5 - AIMAR, Pablo (ARG)
    2.5 - RIQUELME, Juan Román (ARG)
    2.0 - DECO (POR)
    2.0 - LAUDRUP, Michael (DEN)
    2.0 - ORTEGA, Ariel (ARG)
    1.9 - KAKÁ (BRA)
    1.5 - DJALMINHA (BRA)
    1.5 - DJORKAEFF, Youri (FRA)
    1.5 - GALLARDO, Marcelo (ARG)
    1.5 - GUERRERO, Julen (SPA)
    1.5 - MÖLLER, Andreas (GER)
    1.5 - MOSTOVOI, Aleksandr (RUS)
    1.5 - POYET, Gustavo (URU)
    1.5 - SCHOLL, Mehmet (GER)
    1.5 - VALERÓN, Juan Carlos (SPA)
    1.0 - ALEX de Souza (BRA)
    1.0 - BALAKOV, Krasimir (BUL)
    1.0 - BOBAN, Zvonimir (CRO)
    1.0 - FIORE, Stefano (ITA)
    1.0 - GIOVANNI (BRA)
    1.0 - GULLIT, Ruud (NED)
    1.0 - HAGI, Gheorghe (ROM)
    1.0 - JUNINHO Paulista (BRA)
    1.0 - JUNINHO Pernambucano (BRA)
    1.0 - LE TISSIER, Matt (ENG)
    1.0 - LEONARDO (BRA)
    1.0 - MARCELINHO CARIOCA (BRA)
    1.0 - MICOUD, Johan (FRA)
    1.0 - OKOCHA, Augustine (NIG)
    0.5 - AGUINAGA, Álex (ECU)
    0.5 - BAPTISTA, Júlio (BRA)
    0.5 - BASTÜRK, Yildiray (TUR)
    0.5 - BENARBIA, Ali (ALG)
    0.5 - CARRIERE, Éric (FRA)
    0.5 - DIEGO (BRA)
    0.5 - DONI, Cristiano (ITA)
    0.5 - GASCOIGNE, Paul (ENG)
    0.5 - GUTI (SPA)
    0.5 - HÄSSLER, Thomas (GER)
    0.5 - HERZOG, Andreas (AUT)
    0.5 - IBAGAZA, Ariel (ARG)
    0.5 - KINKLADZE, Georgi (GEO)
    0.5 - MALBRANQUE, Steed (FRA)
    0.5 - MARTINS, Corentin (FRA)
    0.5 - McALLISTER, Gary (SCO)
    0.5 - PANTIC, Milinko (YUG)
    0.5 - PERROTTA, Simone (ITA)
    0.5 - PROSINECKI, Robert (CRO)
    0.5 - RAÍ (BRA)
    0.5 - SÁNCHEZ, Erwin (BOL)
    0.5 - VALDERRAMA, Carlos (COL)
    0.5 - VAN DER VAART, Rafael (NED)
    0.5 - WOSZ, Dariusz (GER)
    0.5 - ZAHOVIC, Zlatko (SLV)
    0.5 - ZALAZAR, José Luis (URU)
    0.5 - ZIANI, Stéphane (FRA)

    Right-Midfielders/Wingers

    8.8 - FIGO, Luís (POR)
    6.8 - BECKHAM, David (ENG)
    2.5 - LAUDRUP, Brian (DEN)
    2.0 - LUIS ENRIQUE (SPA)
    2.0 - McMANAMAN, Steve (ENG)
    1.5 - BASLER, Mario (GER)
    1.5 - DE BOER, Ronald (NED)
    1.5 - GIULY, Ludovic (FRA)
    1.5 - KANCHELSKIS, Andrei (RUS)
    1.5 - SOLANO, Nolberto (PER)
    1.0 - ETXEBERRIA, Joseba (SPA)
    1.0 - FINIDI George (NIG)
    1.0 - JOAQUÍN (SPA)
    1.0 - LJUNGBERG, Fredrik (SWE)
    1.0 - ZAMBROTTA, Gianluca (ITA)
    0.5 - BA, Ibrahim (FRA)
    0.5 - CAMORANESI, Mauro (ITA)
    0.5 - CRISTIANO RONALDO (POR)
    0.5 - DI LIVIO, Angelo (ITA)
    0.5 - KARPIN, Valeri (RUS)
    0.5 - MAHDAVIKIA, Mehdi (IRN)
    0.5 - POBORSKY, Karel (CZR)
    0.5 - SAS, Hasan (TUR)
    0.5 - SCHNEIDER, Bernd (GER)
    0.5 - VÍCTOR Sánchez (SPA)

    Left-Midfielders/Wingers

    6.3 - NEDVED, Pavel (CZR)
    4.0 - PIRES, Robert (FRA)
    3.5 - GIGGS, Ryan (WAL)
    2.5 - GINOLA, David (FRA)
    2.0 - OVERMARS, Marc (NED)
    1.0 - AMAVISCA, José Emilio (SPA)
    1.0 - DE PEDRO, Javier (SPA)
    1.0 - DUFF, Damien (IRE)
    1.0 - FRAN (SPA)
    1.0 - KEWELL, Harry (AUS)
    1.0 - KILY GONZÁLEZ, Cristian (ARG)
    1.0 - VICENTE (SPA)
    0.5 - DENÍLSON (BRA)
    0.5 - LARDÍN, Jordi (SPA)
    0.5 - MANCINI (BRA)
    0.5 - PAULO SÉRGIO (BRA)
    0.5 - PEDROS, Reynald (FRA)
    0.5 - REYES, José Antonio (SPA)
    0.5 - ROBERT, Laurent (FRA)
    0.5 - ROTHEN, Jérome (FRA)
    0.5 - ZÉ ROBERTO (BRA)
    0.5 - ZIEGE, Christian (GER)

    Forwards

    7.9 - RIVALDO (BRA)
    7.6 - RAÚL (SPA)
    5.5 - DEL PIERO, Alessandro (ITA)
    3.8 - RONALDINHO (BRA)
    3.6 - BERGKAMP, Dennis (NED)
    3.4 - ZOLA, Gianfranco (ITA)
    3.0 - BAGGIO, Roberto (ITA)
    2.4 - MIJATOVIC, Predrag (YUG)
    2.0 - CANTONA, Éric (FRA)
    2.0 - FRANCESCOLI, Enzo (URU)
    2.0 - LÓPEZ, Claudio (ARG)
    2.0 - SAVICEVIC, Dejan (YUG)
    1.5 - NILIS, Luc (BEL)
    1.5 - REBROV, Serhiy (UKR)
    1.5 - RECOBA, Álvaro (URU)
    1.0 - EDMUNDO (BRA)
    1.0 - MANCINI, Roberto (ITA)
    1.0 - MUTU, Adrian (ROM)
    1.0 - NIHAT Kahveci (TUR)
    1.0 - ROBINHO (BRA)
    1.0 - SHERINGHAM, Teddy (ENG)
    1.0 - SIGNORI, Giuseppe (ITA)
    1.0 - SIMONE, Marco (ITA)
    1.0 - TÉVEZ, Carlos (ARG)
    0.5 - BARBAREZ, Sergej (B&H)
    0.5 - BEARDSLEY, Peter (ENG)
    0.5 - BEBETO (BRA)
    0.5 - BELLAMY, Craig (WAL)
    0.5 - BLANCO, Cuauhtémoc (MEX)
    0.5 - CASSANO, Antonio (ITA)
    0.5 - DI CANIO, Paolo (ITA)
    0.5 - DIOUF, El Hadji (SEN)
    0.5 - KUYT, Dirk (NED)
    0.5 - MUNITIS, Pedro (SPA)
    0.5 - NEUVILLE, Oliver (GER)
    0.5 - NUNES, Paulo (BRA)
    0.5 - ROONEY, Wayne (ENG)
    0.5 - SMITH, Alan (ENG)
    0.5 - TOMASSON, Jon Dahl (DEN)
    0.5 - WILTORD, Sylvain (FRA)

    Strikers

    9.4 - RONALDO (BRA)
    6.5 - HENRY, Thierry (FRA)
    6.1 - BATISTUTA, Gabriel (ARG)
    6.1 - SHEVCHENKO, Andriy (UKR)
    5.0 - SHEARER, Alan (ENG)
    4.9 - VAN NISTELROOY, Ruud (NED)
    4.0 - JARDEL, Mário (BRA)
    4.0 - VIERI, Christian (ITA)
    3.9 - OWEN, Michael (ENG)
    3.5 - KLUIVERT, Patrick (NED)
    3.5 - SUKER, Davor (CRO)
    3.5 - WEAH, George (LIB)
    3.0 - CRESPO, Hernán (ARG)
    3.0 - ROMÁRIO (BRA)
    2.8 - KLINSMANN, Jürgen (GER)
    2.5 - BIERHOFF, Oliver (GER)
    2.5 - LARSSON, Henrik (SWE)
    2.5 - SALAS, Marcelo (CHI)
    2.0 - ÉLBER, Giovane (BRA)
    2.0 - HASSELBAINK, Jimmy Floyd (NED)
    2.0 - KIRSTEN, Ulf (GER)
    2.0 - MAKAAY, Roy (NED)
    2.0 - TREZEGUET, David (FRA)
    2.0 - YORKE, Dwight (T&T)
    1.5 - ADRIANO (BRA)
    1.5 - AMOROSO, Márcio (BRA)
    1.5 - ANDERSON, Sonny (BRA)
    1.5 - CHIESA, Enrico (ITA)
    1.5 - COLE, Andy (ENG)
    1.5 - FERDINAND, Les (ENG)
    1.5 - FOWLER, Robbie (ENG)
    1.5 - INZAGHI, Filippo (ITA)
    1.5 - KEZMAN, Mateja (S&M)
    1.5 - MONTELLA, Vincenzo (ITA)
    1.5 - MORIENTES, Fernando (SPA)
    1.5 - SAVIOLA, Javier (ARG)
    1.5 - TRISTÁN, Diego (SPA)
    1.0 - AÍLTON (BRA)
    1.0 - ALFONSO (SPA)
    1.0 - CATANHA (SPA)
    1.0 - CISSÉ, Djibril (FRA)
    1.0 - DI VAIO, Marco (ITA)
    1.0 - DROGBA, Didier (IVC)
    1.0 - MAX, Martin (GER)
    1.0 - NUNO GOMES (POR)
    1.0 - PALERMO, Martín (ARG)
    1.0 - PAULETA (POR)
    1.0 - PHILLIPS, Kevin (ENG)
    1.0 - RAVANELLI, Fabrizio (ITA)
    1.0 - VIALLI, Gianluca (ITA)
    1.0 - VIDUKA, Mark (AUS)
    1.0 - WRIGHT, Ian (ENG)
    1.0 - ZAMORANO, Iván (CHI)
    0.5 - ANELKA, Nicolas (FRA)
    0.5 - ÁNGEL, Juan Pablo (COL)
    0.5 - ARVELADZE, Shota (GEO)
    0.5 - BALBO, Abel (ARG)
    0.5 - BEATTIE, James (ENG)
    0.5 - BOBIC, Fredi (GER)
    0.5 - BORGETTI, Jared (MEX)
    0.5 - CARDOZO, José Saturnino (PAR)
    0.5 - CHEVANTÓN, Javier (URU)
    0.5 - COLLYMORE, Stan (ENG)
    0.5 - DANI García (SPA)
    0.5 - DELVECCHIO, Marco (ITA)
    0.5 - DERLEI (BRA)
    0.5 - EDÍLSON (BRA)
    0.5 - ESNÁIDER, Juan (ARG)
    0.5 - ETO'O, Samuel (CAM)
    0.5 - GILARDINO, Alberto (ITA)
    0.5 - GUIVARC'H, Stéphane (FRA)
    0.5 - HESKEY, Emile (ENG)
    0.5 - HÜBNER, Dario (ITA)
    0.5 - IKPEBA, Victor (NIG)
    0.5 - JAVI MORENO (SPA)
    0.5 - KANU, Nwankwo (NIG)
    0.5 - KIKO (SPA)
    0.5 - KLOSE, Miroslav (GER)
    0.5 - KODRO, Meho (B&H)
    0.5 - KOLLER, Jan (CZR)
    0.5 - KOVACEVIC, Darko (S&M)
    0.5 - LOKO, Patrice (FRA)
    0.5 - LUÍS FABIANO (BRA)
    0.5 - MACHLAS, Nikos (GRE)
    0.5 - MARSCHALL, Olaf (GER)
    0.5 - MILOSEVIC, Savo (YUG)
    0.5 - MISTA (SPA)
    0.5 - N'DORAM, Japhet (CHD)
    0.5 - NONDA, Shabani (DRC)
    0.5 - PENEV, Lyuboslav (BUL)
    0.5 - PIZARRO, Claudio (PER)
    0.5 - PIZZI, Juan Antonio (SPA)
    0.5 - POLSTER, Toni (AUT)
    0.5 - PREETZ, Michael (GER)
    0.5 - PROTTI, Igor (ITA)
    0.5 - ROMEO, Bernardo (ARG)
    0.5 - SAHA, Louis (FRA)
    0.5 - SALVA (SPA)
    0.5 - SAND, Ebbe (DEN)
    0.5 - SOLSKJAER, Ole Gunnar (NOR)
    0.5 - STEWART, Marcus (ENG)
    0.5 - SÜKÜR, Hakan (TUR)
    0.5 - SUTTON, Chris (ENG)
    0.5 - TAMUDO, Raúl (SPA)
    0.5 - TORRES, Fernando (SPA)
    0.5 - TÚLIO MARAVILHA (BRA)
    0.5 - VAN HOOIJDONK, Pierre (NED)
    0.5 - WARZYCHA, Krzysztof (POL)
     
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  7. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    2010

    Modifications on the previous top 23:

    > IN

    ÖZIL, Mesut (Germany & Werder Bremen [GER])

    < OUT

    LAHM, Philipp (Germany & Bayern Munich [GER])

    Top 23

    CASILLAS, Íker (Spain & Real Madrid [SPA])
    CRISTIANO RONALDO (Portugal & Real Madrid [SPA])
    DROGBA, Didier (Ivory Coast & Chelsea [ENG])
    FABREGAS, Cesc (Spain & Arsenal [ENG])
    FORLÁN, Diego (Uruguay & Atlético de Madrid [SPA])
    INIESTA, Andrés (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    JÚLIO CÉSAR Soares (Brazil & Inter Milan [ITA])
    LAMPARD, Frank (England & Chelsea [ENG])
    LÚCIO (Brazil & Inter Milan [ITA])
    MAICON (Brazil & Inter Milan [ITA])
    MESSI, Lionel (Argentina & Barcelona [SPA])
    MILITO, Diego (Argentina & Inter Milan [ITA])
    MÜLLER, Thomas (Germany & Bayern Munich [GER])
    ÖZIL, Mesut (Germany & Werder Bremen [GER])
    PIQUÉ, Gerard (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    PUYOL, Carles (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    ROBBEN, Arjen (Netherlands & Bayern Munich [GER])
    ROONEY, Wayne (England & Manchester United [ENG])
    SCHWEINSTEIGER, Bastian (Germany & Bayern Munich [GER])
    SNEIJDER, Wesley (Netherlands & Inter Milan [ITA])
    VILLA, David (Spain & Valencia [SPA])
    XAVI (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    ZANETTI, Javier (Argentina & Inter Milan [ITA])

    Podium

    MESSI, Lionel (Argentina & Barcelona [SPA])
    XAVI (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    SNEIJDER, Wesley (Netherlands & Inter Milan [ITA])


    Contenders

    CRISTIANO RONALDO (Portugal & Real Madrid [SPA])
    ROBBEN, Arjen (Netherlands & Bayern Munich [GER])


    Honorable Mentions

    ALONSO, Xabi (Spain & Real Madrid [SPA])
    BANEGA, Éver (Argentina & Valencia [SPA])
    BARRIOS, Lucas (Paraguay & Borussia Dortmund [GER])
    BELLAMY, Craig (Wales & Manchester City [ENG])
    BENT, Darren (England & Sunderland [ENG])
    BUSQUETS, Sergio (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    CAMBIASSO, Esteban (Argentina & Inter Milan [ITA])
    CARDOZO, Óscar (Paraguay & Benfica [POR])
    CASSANO, Antonio (Italy & Sampdoria [ITA])
    COLE, Ashley (England & Chelsea [ENG])
    CONCA, Darío (Argentina & Fluminense [BRA])
    COSSU, Andrea (Italy & Cagliari [ITA])
    D'ALESSANDRO, Andrés (Argentina & Internacional [BRA])
    DANI ALVES (Brazil & Barcelona [SPA])
    DAVID LUIZ (Brazil & Benfica [POR])
    DE ROSSI, Daniele (Italy & AS Roma [ITA])
    DEFOE, Jermain (England & Tottenham Hotspur [ENG])
    DI MARÍA, Ángel (Argentina & Benfica [POR])
    DI NATALE, Antonio (Italy & Udinese [ITA])
    DUNNE, Richard (Ireland & Aston Villa [ENG])
    DZEKO, Edin (Bosnia and Herzegovina & Wolfsburg [GER])
    ETO'O, Samuel (Cameroon & Inter Milan [ITA])
    ÉVRA, Patrice (France & Manchester United [ENG])
    FALCAO, Radamel (Colombia & Porto [POR])
    GIULIANO (Brazil & Internacional [BRA])
    GONZÁLEZ, Luis (Argentina & Olympique de Marseille [FRA])
    HART, Joe (England & Birmingham City [ENG])
    HIGUAÍN, Gonzalo (Argentina & Real Madrid [SPA])
    HYYPIÄ, Sami (Finland & Bayer Leverkusen [GER])
    IBRAHIMOVIC, Zlatan (Sweden & Barcelona [SPA])
    IVANOVIC, Branislav (Serbia & Chelsea [ENG])
    JAVI MARTÍNEZ (Spain & Athletic Bilbao [SPA])
    KIESSLING, Stefan (Germany & Bayer Leverkusen [GER])
    KROOS, Toni (Germany & Bayer Leverkusen [GER])
    KURÁNYI, Kevin (Germany & Schalke 04 [GER])
    KUYT, Dirk (Netherlands & Liverpool [ENG])
    LAHM, Philipp (Germany & Bayern Munich [GER])
    LEÓN, Pedro (Spain & Getafe [SPA])
    LISANDRO LÓPEZ (Argentina & Olympique Lyonnais [FRA])
    LLORIS, Hugo (France & Olympique Lyonnais [FRA])
    LUÍS FABIANO (Brazil & Sevilla [SPA])
    MALOUDA, Florent (France & Chelsea [ENG])
    MATA, Juan (Spain & Valencia [SPA])
    MICCOLI, Fabrizio (Italy & Palermo [ITA])
    MILNER, James (England & Aston Villa [ENG])
    MISIMOVIC, Zvjezdan (Bosnia and Herzegovina & Wolfsburg [GER])
    NAVAS, Jesús (Spain & Sevilla [SPA])
    NESTA, Alessandro (Italy & AC Milan [ITA])
    NEUER, Manuel (Germany & Schalke 04 [GER])
    NEYMAR (Brazil & Santos [BRA])
    OLIC, Ivica (Croatia & Bayern Munich [GER])
    PASTORE, Javier (Argentina & Palermo [ITA])
    PAZZINI, Giampaolo (Italy & Sampdoria [ITA])
    PEDRO (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    PIZARRO, Claudio (Peru & Werder Bremen [GER])
    PIZARRO, David (Chile & AS Roma [ITA])
    RAMOS, Sergio (Spain & Real Madrid [SPA])
    REINA, José Manuel (Spain & Liverpool [ENG])
    RONALDINHO (Brazil & AC Milan [ITA])
    SAMUEL, Walter (Argentina & Inter Milan [ITA])
    SILVA, David (Spain & Valencia [SPA])
    SUÁREZ, Luis (Uruguay & Ajax [NED])
    TERRY, John (England & Chelsea [ENG])
    TÉVEZ, Carlos (Argentina & Manchester City [ENG])
    TORRES, Fernando (Spain & Liverpool [ENG])
    VALDÉS, Víctor (Spain & Barcelona [SPA])
    VALENCIA, Luis Antonio (Ecuador & Manchester United [ENG])
    VALERO, Borja (Spain & Mallorca [SPA])
    VAN BOMMEL, Mark (Netherlands & Bayern Munich [GER])
    VAN BUYTEN, Daniel (Belgium & Bayern Munich [GER])
    VARGAS, Juan (Peru & Fiorentina [ITA])
    VERMAELEN, Thomas (Belgium & Arsenal [ENG])
    VERÓN, Juan Sebastián (Argentina & Estudiantes de La Plata [ARG])
    VUCINIC, Mirko (Montenegro & AS Roma [ITA])

    All Tops 23
    Honorable Mentions (1920-1984)
    Honorable Mentions (1985- )
     
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  8. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #2183 carlito86, Sep 17, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2021
    To be cheated of one ballon dor podium position is not enough but now 2
    :rolleyes:

    For reference
    There were 5 players in 2009/10 with a higher whoscored league rating then Fifa world player of the year Robert Lewandowski 2019/20


    Lionel Messi
    8.67

    Cristiano Ronaldo
    8.54

    Didier drogba
    8.32

    Cesc fabregas
    8.24

    Arjen Robben
    8.18


    Xavi was very arguably the best midfielder in la liga but did not carry his form to the 2010 world cup

    I dont know any person who could watch sneijder in 2010 and think he was on par with CR7 except sneijder himself.
    https://www.football-espana.net/202...-like-becoming-leo-messi-or-cristiano-ronaldo

    That is with or without his 5 world cup goals

    There is a case he wasnt even better then ronaldinho in Serie A




    This is a game by game statistical breakdown of 4 of the top 5 players in your list



    This is after 31 matches played(Ronaldo played only 35 games in the league and champions league)
    Screenshot_20210917-075942-1-1.jpg

    At the absolute peak he was second to Messi in dribbles completed having created only 5 less chances created then Wesley sneijder

    As you can see the distance between the top 2 players in the world and the rest has arguably never been more stark then it was in 2010.
    How you could get it SO wrong beggars belief.
     
  9. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Give it a rest. WhoScored, while a very good website, is not the be all and end all.

    Sneijder was clearly more influential in terms of the major trophies this season.
     
  10. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    But if we can't quantify it, how do we know who's the best? ;)
     
  11. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #2186 carlito86, Sep 17, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2021
    Clearly more influential in the mind of revisionists and bandwagon fans perhaps

    Serie A 2009/10

    Ronaldinho gaucho
    12 goals+14 assists
    2 dribbles per game
    2.4 key passes per game
    41.3 passes per game
    2.3 long balls per game
    1.4 throughballs per game
    7 man of the match awards


    WS rating
    7.53


    Sneijder
    4 goals+6 assists
    0.7 dribbles per game
    3 key passes per game
    48.5 passes per game
    2.9 long balls per game
    0.5 throughballs per game
    1 man of the match award


    WS rating
    7.31


    Twice the amount of goals
    Twice the amount of assists
    Twice the amount of dribbles
    Almost 3 times the amount of throughballs

    What is the influence you are talking about?

    Against
    Roma
    Milan
    Sampdoria
    Palermo

    He had 0 goals+1 assist in 6 matches
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wesley-sneijder/leistungsdaten/spieler/4673/saison/2009/plus/1

    Against
    Roma
    Inter
    Sampdoria
    Palermo

    ronaldinho 09/10 had
    1 goal+4 assists in 6 matches
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ronaldinho/leistungsdaten/spieler/3373/saison/2009/wettbewerb/IT1

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009–10_Serie_A


    In the champions league sneijder was even more overrated (especially before the SF vs Barcelona)


    Those 5 goals in the world cup had a HUGE sway in the voting process of Uefa team of the year awards(even if the world cup isnt even a Uefa tournament)
    Without it sneijder is at best the 2nd best player on a treble winning team behind Diego milito and one of the top 10 best players in the world cup

    If the ballon dor is a seasonal award he had no case
    If the ballon dor is based on calender year performances he has even less of a case
    Although 2010 was Sneijder's best year in the game he only reached his highest place of 78th in the Castrol Rankings in September. He made more assists than any player in September (6) that month of any player during 2010 but has since dropped to 195th place.
    This was mainly due to his inability to break through opposition defences; he has had the most shots without finding the back of the net in the top five leagues this season.
    https://www.goal.com/en/news/2939/c...most-effective-player-of-2010-and-should-win-

    Just please bro :rolleyes:




    About influence im not even sure how youd quantify that

    In 2009/10 Ronaldo started 28 matches in la liga and was man of the match in 13 of them

    In the champions league he started in 5 matches and was man of the match in 4 of them

    So he was literally man of the match in 51% of the games he featured in

    In la liga he Was second behind Xavi in chances created from open play
    Was second behind Messi in dribbles completed per 90
    Was 3rd behind higuain/Messi in goals per 90
    This will just fly over your head most probably




    In retrospect sneijder had no case for the ballon dor
    The 2 spectacular individual performers were Lionel messi and Cristiano Ronaldo

    Confirmed by advanced data rating sites of that time

    whoscored

    Castrol


    Absolutely nothing points to wesley sneijder being a undisputed top 3 outfield player in any competition be participated in.

    Not even Dbs calcio for fans who selectively use this source
    Screenshot_20210917-220036-1.jpg

    the world cup arguably but then there is arjen Robben,Diego forlan,David villa and even a few underrated german players including their golden boy Thomas muller


    Robben was spectacular in 2 out of 3 competitions he participated in
    Bundesliga
    World cup

    Ronaldo was spectacular in 2 out of 3
    La liga
    Champions league


    Messi was spectacular in 2 out of 3
    La liga
    Champions


    Bottom line

    Over 30+ games sneijder wasnt talented and physical capable enough to compete against a 25 year Cristiano Ronaldo

    The most underrated part of his career is in fact the 2009 and 2010 calender years

    During these years he scored for Manchester United/real Madrid
    74 goals+26 assists
    7593 minutes (84.3 matches)
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spi...usrichtung=alle&spielerposition_id=alle&art=2
    Beastly output


    Not just any random goals either

    his best ever champions league goals
    Vs
    Porto 08/09
    Arsenal 08/09
    Marseille 09/10

    His best solo goals(Villarreal,almeria,Getafe,osasuna)

    'scored' his greatest international goal vs Spain 2010(Elo ranked number 1 in the world)



    Even Almost scored one of the best world cup goals of all time



    This with the profile of a WF/winger/attacking midfielder

    For reference
    In the premier league 08/09 and la liga 09/10 he averaged 70~ touches per game with 40~ passes per game
     
  12. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I'm not sure I've seen any 2009/10 media average ratings for the Champions League, but Sneijder was 2009/10 UEFA Club Midfielder of the Year (based largely/solely on UEFA competition performances I believe, but ok Milito did take the overall prize), and made Goal.com's CL Team of the Season too.

    Peru (and previously Tom) are talking of the season, not calendar year here of course.

    Champions League 2009-10 team of the season | Goal.com
    UEFA Club Football Awards - Wikipedia
     
  13. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #2188 carlito86, Sep 18, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2021
    Nor have i although he was rated the 61st best champions league performer in 2009/10 (on a per 90 basis) by whoscored






    Something like this needs perspective


    5 of his 9 goal involvements(2 goals+3 assists) came against dynamo kiev and Cska Moscow
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wesley-sneijder/leistungsdaten/spieler/4673/saison/2009/plus/1

    Had 0 goals+1 assist in 6 games vs top 5 Serie A teams in 2009/10

    You can say he wasnt a forward and his influence cant/shouldn't be measured in goals

    These are the same people who will point to the fact he was the joint top scorer in the 2010 world cup
    These are the exact same people who will also completely ignore the fact he was the most wasteful shooter in Europe's top 5 leagues

    To score 3 goals against CSKA Moscow,dynamo kiev and Barcelona he required 32 shots

    Fact was he was a very advanced creative player(just playing off milito)with alot of licence to shoot

    In Serie A 2009/10 Ronaldinho scored 12 goals from 80 shots on goal

    In Serie A 2009/10 Wesley Sniejder scored 4 goals from 84 shots on goal

    3× as many goals scored with 4 less shots
    Both with a similar profile as a advanced creative forward


    As for the creativity

    People can make their own mind up as to whether he was creative enough mask the gaping holes


    Lionel Messi La liga 2009/10
    34 goals+11 assists
    1549 passes
    65 key passes
    145 dribbles completed
    84 fouls won
    2841 minutes played(31.5 matches)
    https://www.whoscored.com/Players/11119/History/Lionel-Messi
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/saison/2009/wettbewerb/CL


    Ronaldinho Serie A 2009/10
    12 goals+18 assists
    1485 passes
    86 key passes
    71 successful dribbles
    46 fouls won
    2901 minutes played(32.3 matches)
    https://www.whoscored.com/Players/1792/History/Ronaldinho
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ronaldinho/leistungsdaten/spieler/3373/saison/2009/wettbewerb/IT1

    Wesley Sneijder Serie A 2009/10
    4 goals+8 assists
    1262 passes
    77 key passes
    17 successful dribbles
    31 fouls won
    1943 minutes played(21.5 matches)
    https://www.whoscored.com/Players/4923/History/Wesley-Sneijder
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wesley-sneijder/leistungsdaten/spieler/4673/saison/2009/plus/1


    Cristiano Ronaldo la liga 2009/10
    26 goals+ 10 assists
    1119 passes
    75 key passes
    91 dribbles completed
    94 fouls won
    2490 minutes played(27.6 matches)
    https://www.whoscored.com/Players/5583/History/Cristiano-Ronaldo
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cristiano-ronaldo/leistungsdaten/spieler/8198/saison/2009/plus/1


    Arjen robben 2009/10 bundesliga
    16 goals+7 assists
    824 passes
    44 key passes
    97 dribbles completed
    52 fouls won
    1779 minutes played(19.7 matches)
    https://www.whoscored.com/Players/4173/History/Arjen-Robben
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/arjen-robben/leistungsdaten/spieler/4360/saison/2009/wettbewerb/WM

    Stats Per 90

    Goals+assists

    Lionel Messi
    1.42

    Cristiano Ronaldo
    1.30

    Arjen robben
    1.16

    Ronaldinho
    0.93


    Wesley Sniejder
    0.55


    Passing

    Wesley Sniejder
    58.6

    Lionel Messi
    49.1

    Ronaldinho gaucho
    45.9

    Arjen robben
    41.8

    Cristiano Ronaldo
    40.5


    Key passes

    Wesley Sniejder
    3.58

    Cristiano Ronaldo
    2.71

    Ronaldinho
    2.66

    Arjen robben
    2.23

    Lionel messi
    2.06



    Dribbles completed

    Arjen robben
    4.92

    Lionel Messi
    4.60

    Cristiano Ronaldo
    3.30

    Ronaldinho
    2.19

    Wesley Sniejder
    0.79


    Fouls won

    Cristiano Ronaldo
    3.40

    Lionel Messi
    2.66

    Arjen robben
    2.63

    Wesley Sniejder
    1.44

    Ronaldinho
    1.42



    IMO The 2010 world cup was a blue patch for Wesley Sniejder and not reflective of who he was as a player in 2010

    Less so of who he was as a player in general

    For me he isnt even better then KDB 2017-2020 and the ballon candidates of 2010 are WAY better then the ones of now and he was never in pole position for a BD

    Remember this is a transitional era aswell

    Messi/ronaldo/robben were 22-26 years old in 2010
    Peak years of a athlete and they were at that time part of the top 10 most devastating athletes in the history of this sport

    If you dont believe me puck can even tell you the Maradona esque shit robben was doing to win major finals(Dfb pokal final vs schalke)
    Search it if you can find it
    And believe me this was actually representative of who he was as a player at that time(length of the pitch runs and devastating wing play)

    Some wonder goals against Manchester United and fiorentina in the champions league

    Next to the 2010 candidates Wesley Sniejder is ordinary

    World class but ordinary compared to extraordinary players


    The real Podium is

    Lionel Messi
    Cristiano Ronaldo
    Arjen robben
    Xavi Hernandez
    Wayne rooney(who i didn't even touch on)


    Others like Diego milito,Wesley sneijder,frank lampard,Cesc fabregas and david villa complete the top 10



    Without the 5 world cup goals Sniejder isn't more worthy of an inclusion then ronaldinho who would make my top 25 best players in 2010
     
  14. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    I appreciate the enthusiasm (even if it's critical), but, I answer you...

    First, I've to clarify that even if I don't mention it here at longer, I'm reviewing each list doing a preliminary analysis, which begins with a compilation of data and statistics of all kinds. Because of that, I must say that all the statistics you mention I registered and took into account previously without exception. It's not unknown data in this process.

    Then, I'm very aware that advanced statistics (such as WhoScored or Castrol) are very useful tools, they may require not so well defined memories/impressions and help us to define a sketch, but the more I use them, I should also note that they're not as reliable in terms of precision (as if it were a mathematical calculation) due to non-quantifiable intangible variables that can make huge differences).

    What I do after this data collection is review subjective contemporary opinions and try to see many key matches that allow me to remember certain episodes (that's the reason why it takes me so long, as you can see, because if it were only to conclude from the statistics this review would have been completed years ago). The subjective factor seems to me to be decisive and no, I don't think that here we can get objectively correct answers.

    That said, I exemplify 2 points from the video you posted:

    SUCCESSFUL DRIBBLES
    I've given myself the work with other cases of comparing the statistics with my own impression and I think it's notorious that here a problem occurs in the measure because the difficulty of the dribbles (either for the execution, for the place or for the moment) is not quantified in any formula (for obvious reasons). There is also an inappropiate application for me about the influence of this factor according to the role of each player (something that I perceive inherent in WhoScored).

    CHANCES CREATED
    Here I note that relying on moves immediately prior to a definition one has its limitations to be able to measure game creation, an aspect that encompasses predecessor moves/decisions (this, for example, makes Iniesta in terms of statistics look much less influential than he was in this factor in those years).

    Then, there is the issue of influence in important matches. From the above, you can understand how I think you cannot deduce it from reducing it to how you do it statistically in your previous posts, not like this is an objective deduction, which leads me to:

    Just check how he (Sneijder) played against Catania or Sampdoria in Milan or against ChievoVerona, Bari or Udinese as visitor in Serie A. If I'm not mistaken, the sum of all these games for him is 0 goals and 0 assists, which has nothing to do with the offensive influence he had on those games, at least for me as spectator.

    These are some subjetive opinions:

    Sneijder

    Midfielder with the most inclusions in the ESM Team of the Month: 4
    (Fabregas 3, Lampard 3, Xavi 3, Kroos 2, Özil 2...)

    Goal.com 2009-10 ranking: #1
    Bleacher Report 2009-10 ranking: #3 (behind Messi and Xavi)

    UEFA Best Midfielder of the Year (ahead of Özil, Fabregas, Thomas Müller and Honda)
    UCL Final Fans Man-of-the-Match

    Bandini's Serie A Team of the Season (alongside Ronaldinho)
    Bleacher Report 2009-10 Serie A Team of the Season (alongside Pastore)

    World Cup Silver Ball
    World Cup more Man-of-the-Match mentions
     
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  15. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #2190 carlito86, Sep 18, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2021
    Castrol/whoscored>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..........>>>>>>>>>>>
    Bleacher report
    ESM media
    Goal.com

    Any day of the week,every week of the month and every month of the year.

    If this is how you reach your conclusions through these 'tertiary sources' and gossip columns no wonder the conclusions

    Here is one objective source for you

    Ronaldo 2009/10
    League+champions league
    17 man of the match awards in 35 matches
    https://www.whoscored.com/Players/5583/History/Cristiano-Ronaldo


    Sneijder 2009/10 to 2017/18
    His entire recorded career on whoscoreds database
    Including
    world cup
    Euros
    Serie A
    Ligue 1
    Turkish lig
    12 MOTM awards in 226 matches
    https://www.whoscored.com/Players/4923/History/Wesley-Sneijder
     
  16. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #2191 carlito86, Sep 19, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2021
    Ok lets see

    Catania away (13th place)
    https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/347956/LiveStatistics/Italy-Serie-A-2009-2010-Catania-Inter
    WS rating
    7.05



    Catania home
    https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/347460/LiveStatistics/Italy-Serie-A-2009-2010-Inter-Catania
    7.85
    =



    1 goal+0 assists
    2 dribbles completed
    118 passes
    3 key passes
    156 touches
    2 matches


    Average rating
    7.45





    Almeria away(13th place)
    https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335501/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Almeria-Real-Madrid
    WS rating
    9.36




    Almeria home
    https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335158/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Almeria
    9.18


    =
    2 goals+2 assists
    9 dribbles completed
    6 key passes
    99 passes
    160 touches
    2 matches

    Avg rating
    9.27

    Against these level teams Ronaldo 09/10 was averaging
    4.5 ~dribbles per game
    3~key passes per game
    50~passes per game
    80 touches per game
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    He looked like something Diego Maradona 1986 no kidding





    If i have to do them same for 10th place bari and/or other middle table teams like verona etc it will get crazy



    Im not sure how deep your analysis goes because it cant be that thorough

    The number of dribbles/key passes is one thing

    Cristiano Ronaldo completed more dribbles then the ENTIRE Barcelona squad in EL classico 2009/10

    Had more touches on the ball(60) then
    Sergio busquets
    Dani alves
    Lionel messi



    The only ones with more touches were
    Xavi Hernandez
    Sergio Ramos
    xabi Alonso


    And this was peak tiki taka Barcelona

    You know the one that could dominate Real Madrid with

    56.6% possesion to 43.4% possesion
    551 touches to 440 touches
    https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335486/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Barcelona


    Ive said my piece im done here
     
  17. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    #2192 Perú FC, Sep 20, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2021
    The comparison doesn't fit because you don't refer to similar methods. It's not the same to establish parameters and quantify them than to make a judgment based on the sensation of what is seen.

    If what you mean is that you believe that subjetive factor should be eliminated from the analysis, I understand it and it seems to me that it has its own logic, but from my perspective I perceive it as an incomplete process.

    It's one of 2: either you make it trivial or you didn't understand my last message.

    You slip that my conclusions are based on ONLY reading "tertiary sources" (with the suspicious quotes) and that's not what I've pointed out you, but it's just one more factor that I take into account in a longer process and that includes exactly what you do, consult advanced statistics (even from the same sources, apparently).

    About the "tertiary sources", they're not more related to "gossip columns" nor nothing alike. I collect sources that show an interesting support, that beyond agreeing or not with them, they show having made a real follow-up on the players they refer to, show seriouness in their task and/or have a certain reputation. Even, in case you didn't read them, these opinions are also usually supported by advanced statistics that include those from WhoScored and other like OPTA (sometimes extracted from links provided here, in BS).

    For example, right now I'm reviewing the 2010-11 season and a source I just added to confront is a Team of the Season publication from the Ademir to Zizinho blog, written by @comme in May 2011 (2010-11 Team of the Season), and that's because it provides comments that tell me that there was a follow-up before the subjective choice.

    Finally, you're also ignoring that it's not only a question of blind source query as if I didn't see any game. I'm 35, enough to have a contemporary visual notion since the late 1990's and to be familiar with almost all the review I do from where Tom left this work (1994); part of this process is to refresh the memory with specific matches of each season or, at least, long summaries or individual compilations. Add to that that I've not only been a light spectator, rather between 2006 and 2014 precisely I participated in some publications (sometimes shared here) making the so-called "power ratings" of players in important tournaments, rankings and selections at the end of the season/year, which are also a self-reference to my own visual memory.

    All said, obviously it's not that I try to point out that my selections and order MUST be taken as guaranteed or anything like that (it's not science), it's only a personal analysis and perspective, and it's interesting that there are others based in different ways.
     
  18. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    #2193 PDG1978, Sep 20, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2021
    I repped your Jimmy Greaves post mate, so I hope that is welcome (it was a deserved rep for sure anyway), but on this I would certainly say that these sources (the scoring systems that arrive at marks out of 10) are also subjective because they choose to allocate points to certain actions to a greater or lesser degree than they might.

    I think they might over-value dribbles, and for sure if (I don't know to be fair) they are bumping up points just for taking shots on goal (maybe they offset it by rewarding shot accuracy to an extent, and percentage of shots ending in a goal?) then that seems doubtful to me, as although what calculator said on another thread about players 'warming up' (hence taking a few shots that don't go in but potentially help with that might lead to better shooting success later in a game - sometimes this will happen I guess but I wouldn't say it's an absolute necessity to be able to score obviously) has some basis in reality, in general if a player shoots and doesn't score it's not really a positive (and could only be judged so subjectively maybe actually, ironically, although expected goals might be something that factors some kind of value judgement in systematically I guess). Maybe they under-value actual assists in the points, since Sneijder got 6 more than either Messi or C.Ronaldo in the CL latter stages that season didn't he?

    Ronaldo got a near perfect 10 from Castrol for his 2002 World Cup of course (the Brazilian one) and most people seem to agree that seems a bit on the high side.

    I still think an individual sport like Darts is one that suits stats best (although it doesn't need any detailed statistical analysis as the only stats that matter are the actual score at the end and who wins I suppose - but that will be reflected in one way or another, or multiple ways probably, in the stats, because all the player is trying to do is throw the dart where he is aiming it, although maybe tactics and maths even can come into it a bit too, so one player might have been a bit smarter in their play rather than simply more accurate on average and/or at the crucial moments such as attempts at doubles).

    EDIT - Peru FC mentioned some salient points on this I see now too. I would clarify in terms of what I say above that as well as arguably over-emphasising 'dribbles' I think in just tallying them up without subjective perspective (they have to do that with a stats system based on 'objective' data I understand) they aren't necessarily reflecting how impressive or useful each 'dribble' is (although they can deduct points for 'bad touches' etc and maybe that balances things off a bit in some cases).
     
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  19. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    An excellent illustration of the pseudo professoral echo chambers at work, and the critical mass creation. How the snowballing takes ground. The Overton window.
     
  20. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    What is exactly the *big* problem with his 'Castrol Index' rating? He was the only player to feature in his league XI, Champions League XI and World Cup XI (although others as Van Bommel were close as well, who actually enabled the players ahead).

    [​IMG]




    "Wesley Sneijder debut for Inter against AC Milan, he controlled the whole game and Milan couldn't do anything about it" [0-4 win]
    https://theathletic.com/2818052/2021/09/10/what-is-the-most-memorable-debut-you-have-seen/

    That Castrol Index - which values the place of the action - had him in the team of the tournament of the World Cup, in which he was joint topscorer, and directly involved in creating 9 goals.

    Neuer
    Sergio Ramos Puyol Pique Capdevila
    Mueller Busquets Van Bommel Sneijder
    Suarez Villa
    https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/67/...cup-2010-castrol-index-team-of-the-tournament

    Also in the other two major competitions he entered he was in the ideal XI per Castrol.

    His overall rank at league level (across all leagues) was with #90 not too great, but it was twice as high as the next best Serie A midfielder, which should be food for thought. He had also a higher overall rank than the often gold-plated striker Diego Milito (who wasn't among the three best forwards of the league per that measure).

    Then in the Champions League he was, unsurprisingly, of course also in the ideal XI per Castrol. He had after all more combined goals and assists than any player that campaign - and he was central in the action.

    That makes him the only player to feature at league, continental and national team level that season/year.

    By the way, per that Castrol Index fundamentalism, one season later Van der Vaart was a top five or top three player in the world across all levels (cf. Ozil for Werder Bremen etc.) and Van der Sar the best goalkeeper in the ranking.

    I can already fill in how that will play out in the heads, and where it will gravitate to, such are the forces at work. The anglogerman alliance and latin cabal echo chambers.
     
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  21. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Several good comments below that video, I see now.

    The Ballon d'Or should have been him (as the journalists voted) or Messi. Instead, he ended 4th - but no surprises there.

    Some things I saw:









    And finally:
    https://twitter.com/OptaJohan/status/472853787346874369

    https://www.transfermarkt.com/wesley-sneijder/leistungsdaten/spieler/4673/saison/2010/plus/1
     
  22. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Meanwhile the one-man Dutch cabal will keep plugging away.
     
  23. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    It depends a bit on the criteria. If it is about the best player, then Messi is the primary candidate and frontrunner.

    If it is about a mixture of various things (but still appreciating ability on the ball) and some intangibles like 'transforming a team', grit, returning strong from an ACL injury (no card or foul given) and 'comebacks', then Sneijder is the primary alternative (Serie A hasn't won a CL since). In the semi final he robbed the ball directly from Messi.

    I touched on this above but he had more goals + assists in the Champions League than any other player, within a largely defensive side and with defensive tasks (less so in the final, to be honest).

    This includes decisive contributions in every knock-out round, as several comments below that video mention as well.

    "What separated Sneijder mainly that season was he was absolutely clutch. Scoring in adversity when his teams needed him, when they were behind at home against Barca, in the two tight games with CSKA, in the late comeback against Dynamo, creating numerous chances in the final and perhaps most impressive scoring two goals against Brazil after holland had been dominated early on."

    You can also not say he was peripheral. In the league he had behind Maicon the most passes per game of his team, and ranked first in touches. In the Champions League he went one better and was first of his team in passes per game and per 90. You can check this in WhoScored.

    https://football-italia.net/xavi-slams-sneijder-golden-ball-snub/

    https://www.sportbible.com/football...s-that-he-was-robbed-of-a-ballon-dor-20210220

    In case he had lost all finals (and 2nd in the league), he is in terms of overall and average performance across all levels still top five I'd say.

    Xavi his case is stronger than the one of Iniesta for this year. About the only thing Iniesta did that Sneijder didn't, was scoring the winning goal in a world cup final, but that 'only' mattered because Sneijder his through-balls were wasted by his team-mates. Other than that there is no real argument.

    In all honesty I have to say that when the veteran Seedorf and peak Sneijder played against each other, there were a few games where they can't be separated or the veteran was better. The second game of the 2009-10 season for example (not the above mentioned debut game!), although Sneijder received an early red card for cynically applauding the referee, making the comparison hard and given the head-to-head to the other by default.

    Something like this:
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/2...lifying-matches.2114194/page-42#post-39941513
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/f...md1-14-sept-2021.2117413/page-3#post-39928848
     
  24. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    All of this work is incredible
    but there is something that does not convince me
    In 1960 Ferenc Puskás is n°1, but in 1961 he is not even top6.
    What happened there? Did he really dropped his performance that much?

    Some time ago I counted his goals and assists in Real Madrid, this is what I have found.

    In season 1959/60 in 36 games (3240 minutes) he scored 49 goals (5 PK) and 23 assists.
    That is 1.861 no-pk goals+assists per90m
    Real Madrid scored 132 goals (3.667 per game)
    That is a contribution percentage of 52.76%

    In season 1960/61 in 41 games (3690 minutes) he scored 44 goals (6 PK) and 21 assists.
    That is 1.439 no-pk goals+assists per90m
    Real Madrid scored 124 goals (3.024 per game)
    That is a contribution percentage of 50.00%

    In season 1961/62 in 40 games (3588 minutes) he scored 40 goals (3 PK) and 14 assists.
    That is 1.279 no-pk goals+assists per90m
    Real Madrid scored 102 goals (2.550 per game)
    That is a contribution percentage of 51.69%


    I think this is really a constant performance, his G+A ratio decreased but the goal ratio of Real Madrid also decreased, making his contribution percentage constant through the three seasons.
     
  25. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yes, I remember at the time that I did feel that I'd be going that way (without thinking he was flawless or something, thinking eg of the games vs Inter). But I can see the logic behind an idea to end up with a Xavi (like World Soccer voters did - this is for calendar year of course just like with the Ballon d'Or primarily, supposedly at least) or a Sneijder (and maybe his case for 09/10 as per this thread is even a bit better, although his best contributions would be during 2010 rather than 2009 I suppose; certainly the most significant).

    If I'm honest I did think gameplay wise Iniesta was better than Sneijder in the World Cup itself (with some end product (and wider involvement in end product) also, including obviously that goal), but for season 09/10 in the Champions League I'd think not, and to be fair again I can understand Sneijder's claims based on end product (that could have even been greater, given chances missed that he created as you said yourself) in terms of the best World Cup players still too. I think there were various claims that looking at things the traditional way (with decisive performances and contribution weighted highly) made a case for him over Messi for the Ballon d'Or (not to say that things would always go that way traditionally if a player was getting loads of goals and assists in general and with some stand-out ones and famous performances during the year as a whole, as journalists had their own free will and weren't meant to always pick the decisive players at the top regarding the biggest competitions, even if they often lent in that direction).
     
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