General PDL

Discussion in 'United Soccer Leagues' started by QuietType, May 11, 2012.

  1. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Will the Forward Madison team renovate the soccer stadium in Madison. Interesting old stadium. Look forward to watching a match there.
     
  2. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Forward Madison's...not...a PDL/USL League 2 team.
     
  3. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Yeah I know, but they have an interesting residential area stadium, and quite old. Love their LOGO, got a couple of their T shirts already.
     
  4. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But...they're not a team under the purview of this forum.
     
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  5. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well they are under the umbrella of United Soccer Leagues, doesn't seem to be a League 1 section?
     
  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
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  7. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As of right now, not returning in 2019:
    • Derby City Rovers
    • Colorado Rapids U23
    • Fresno FC U23
    • Memphis City FC
    • OKC Energy U23
    • FC Cleburne
    • North Coast United
    • Next Academy Palm Beach
    • SIMA (Orlando City B returning to USL1)
    • Birmingham Hammers (USL Championship)
    • FC Tucson (USL1)
    • Lansing United (Lansing Ignite in USL1)
     
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  8. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What move are they making for OKC Energy for 2019?
     
  9. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just cutting the team. Save some money.
     
  10. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Oki, J-pan
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New USL2 team for 2020:
    • AFC Ann Arbor -- moving from NPSL
     
  12. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So Detroit City and Michigan Stars moving to NISA for 2020. AFC Ann Arbor moving to USL2. Hoping Grand Rapids FC moves to USL2 as well and eventually up to USL1. Seems like a well run team.
     
  13. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New USL2 team for 2020:
    • AFC Ann Arbor -- moving from NPSL
    • Asheville City SC -- moving from NPSL
    Trend or coincidence? Will we see more of this scenario? Hmmmm.
     
  14. canammj

    canammj Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    I kind of wonder also....
    I didn't go to the websites to see what divisions they are in with NPSL or what division they could land in USL2,
    which leads me to my same thought every year. If NPSL & USL2 COULD settle structural /emotional/financial/ philosophical differences and merge, you would have a better regional set up- more team closer to you. Travel is a major expense , so if you could be more of a bus league, rather than a airplane league, its got to help. A 5 team USL-2 (PDL) division & a 5 team NPSL division, makes for a nice 10 team division etc. Wishful thinking on my part :whistling:
     
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  15. mkgrisers

    mkgrisers New Member

    Oct 17, 2019

    GRFC is in chaos last I heard. Attendance is way down. They canceled their end of year friendlies. Also the owner is leaving and currently looking for a new investor to come in. It’s sad because there was so much momentum in the beginning.
     
  16. canammj

    canammj Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Gets worse in Michigan now with the apparent death of Lansing Ignite USL-1
    I realize these are the lower divisions, but MLS will have to think long and hard if they go back to considering Detroit.
     
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The NPSL has long been the place for people who are like PDL* owners, only with less ambition. The ambitious ones will probably decamp for a league where you can be reasonably sure your opponent will show up for your next scheduled match.




    *I think I will always call it the PDL. Sorry.
     
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  18. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be quite honest, NPSL is doing a lot to themselves. The debacles over the last few years make it easy decisions to leave.

    As a League, there’s no question on who’s better run. That’s not something NPSL people like to hear, but it’s truth.
     
  19. mkgrisers

    mkgrisers New Member

    Oct 17, 2019
    Its sad because Lansing United was a decent NPSL side. They still run a women's team but shut down the men's team when the Ignite came into town. Hopefully they revive their men's program.

    Muskegon is joining the NPSL in 2020 so there will still be Kalamazoo and hopefully Grand Rapids. DCFC and the Michigan Stars are in NISA now and Ann Arbor went to the USL 2. So its not all doom and gloom for soccer in Michigan, its just a little spread out over multiple leagues. Not to mention the Bucks are in USL 2 as well as a handful of teams in the UPSL.

    To be honest I don't think Detroit needs an MLS team. They have four major league teams to support. I'd love to see it but the state of soccer here in Michigan isn't in need of a shot in the arm.
     
  20. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.soctakes.com/2019/10/22/lansing-ignite-vp-jeremy-sampson-interview/

    That interview sounds like the former Lansing United Owner (who became President of Ignite) wasn't on board with much of the new owners plans ... keeping the women's side going I could see him get the Lansing United men's side back going in League 2 (It doesn't sound like he has issues with USL just the owner of Ignite). I hope USL allows him into League 2 without much of a fuss.
     
  21. mkgrisers

    mkgrisers New Member

    Oct 17, 2019

    That was an interesting read. You could definitely feel the tension just by reading it. Thanks for posting that.
     
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  22. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A story a year ago this week said the city of Lansing was chipping in about $200,000 a year in a "licensing agreement" that was to run for five years. (Oops.)

    It also said they paid a $6M franchise fee (holy cow, how do you just told it after that, unless they DIDN'T pay $6M) and their annual budget was $1M with $350k for players.

    And they were basing their budget on drawing 4k a game (which was never going to happen, and obviously did not).

    I can see where Lansing lost a lot of money. And I guess I can see where they decided not to lose a lot more.

    But a franchise should have value and be sell-able. (Few outright franchise sales have happened historically, but until recently, they weren't selling for $6M, either.) Just folding it and walking away after 12 months is either really savvy or premature and I can't decide which.
     
  23. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Things like this are typically not sustainable, unless someone just wants to spend money to spend.

    https://www.lansingstatejournal.com...nite-soccer-future-usl-league-one/3976808002/
     
  24. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No way did Lansing ownership group spend $6M to get a League 1 team. I believe Birmingham got a Championship franchise for $7M ... which has now gone up to $10M ... but I'm guessing League 1 is in the $750k-$1M range.
     
  25. mkgrisers

    mkgrisers New Member

    Oct 17, 2019
    I had a conference at the ballpark the same day as their last home game. The set up was less than ideal. I wouldn’t have paid for that, let alone be a repeat customer and I actually like soccer
     

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