FIFA World Ranking

Discussion in 'Women's International' started by jonny63, Mar 17, 2006.

  1. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
  2. amerinorsk59

    amerinorsk59 Member

    Mar 9, 2007
    Chicago area
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    :confused: How does Norway fall behind No. Korea in the latest rankings? Can someone explain? Norway beats USA and Germany (world No 1 and 2 mind you) each 2-0 in the latest cycle. They lose to Japan, Sweden and Brazil (only Japan ranked below them). North Korea plays only in Asia and only beats Nigeria in the Olympics and yet is considered overall a better team than Norway? :eek: I know it is a numbers game BUT...........gimme a break:rolleyes:
     
  3. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
    Norway lost also to Sweden and USA in friendlies, but the major reason is losing 39 points thanks to 1-5 against Japan in World Cup.

    Details about each match and ranking points :

    http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=nor/ranking/gender=f/index.html

    North Korea lost also ranking points in this ranking , but not so much thanks to a 3-0 win against Australia in World Cup qualifier in June.

    http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=prk/ranking/gender=f/index.html
     
  4. amerinorsk59

    amerinorsk59 Member

    Mar 9, 2007
    Chicago area
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    :) thanks for the data Jonny63. Interesting that you LOSE a point even when you win a match (vs. NZL) if I am reading it right! I suppose it is fair since same rules/math apply to all........
     
  5. Bonnie Lass

    Bonnie Lass Moderator
    Staff Member

    Lyon
    Norway
    Oct 20, 2000
    Up top
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    I liken the FIFA world ranking to the BCS. It's about as valid and makes just as much sense.
     
  6. kingkong1

    kingkong1 New Member

    Nov 12, 2007
    Rio, Brazil
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Once more, congrats to US for the great victory and to Brazil too (why not?) for having given them a terrific battle.

    Great for both and that reflects in the present rankings.

    FIFA officials at last had to find a definitive spot for Brz in that podium.

    In spite of Sweden, Norway, Danmark, traditional powerhouses, that had diplomatically to be dealt with.

    Don’t blame Norway’s fate though, Redcard.

    Norway has had its share of glory (& will still have its shots at it, don’t worry).

    Women's soc however is more & more moving westwards &…southwards.

    Even to the south of Rio Grande.

    Some still resist to the idea, though.

    Right after that US 1 x 0 Brz ‘someone’ sort of condescendingly commented:

    ‘I think this match means nothing to the Americans and everything to your girls.

    They're spoiled and they've become used to winning things.’

    And - 1 month ½ after the game - what still we see is a US title gloating thread burning fireworks at BS Women’s Forum! …

    Cf. https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=747517

    367 posts from August 21 to Sep 1st!...

    Too much for whom ‘this match means nothing’...

    Thinking well, t’was even good for Brazil not having won that title yet: Brz officials would think they’d need do nothing and just let the girls talents flow…

    As far as US – don’t kill me for saying that, girls - I think it was its swan song.

    Future favours football countries: and, sorry, US isn’t football country.

    Soccer is not a tradition in US not even among women.

    2 or 3 decades of professionalism and another 1 of amateurism is too little to characterize a tradition - or establish an hegemony.

    Besides, there don’t exist exclusively feminine or masculine sports.

    Brazil (like Germany) is an all-around football nation (men & women), and brings the game in the blood since 1898.

    Even the women have played it for long (informally of course).

    No need to learn how to play it in high school or college like US players.

    For them football is not a summer course.

    They've been playing all that since always.

    For them football is just natural as breathing.

    They were not up there since the late 50s (like the men) obviously because of male Latin American prejudice (which, in a smaller amount, still exits, it’s true).


    But if they didn’t formally practice it (leagues, etc) they’ve always been used to see, follow and learn with the best football in the planet – and informally practice too (for instance, beach football).

    It's so much easier when you have a brother or a cousin who plays for São Paulo or Flamengo...

    On the other hand, US girls being ‘too spoiled’ and ‘used to win’?...

    Late game developments (4 x 0’s etc) have shattered that fairy tale quite a bit, don’t you think so?...

    US having gone to an Olympics final as underdogs to Brz was just a sign.

    When they find in a few years that the chariot was a pumpking, that they became a Sweden of life, and are not regarded as ner 1 anymore (and being ‘ner 1’ is everything for an American), they’ll definitely stop behaving ‘spoiled’.

    After less than 30 years of history, US women’s soccer has yet to prove that their participation in the game was not just a temporary hobby.

    A cultural chickenpox fit.
     
  7. Bonnie Lass

    Bonnie Lass Moderator
    Staff Member

    Lyon
    Norway
    Oct 20, 2000
    Up top
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    I'm not blaming anyone for Norway's latest rank. However, they've been World Champions and Olympic gold medalists in the past and yet were never considered worthy enough to be ranked No. 1. Ever.

    So, my bias towards the rankings goes back a helluva lot further than you think.
     
  8. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    it's easy to figure out: for women as for men, your FIFA rating and 20 NOK get you a cup of coffee.
     
  9. chinadaiyi

    chinadaiyi Member

    Sep 11, 2008
    China
    Club:
    SS Lazio Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    i love chinese steel roses~~
     
  10. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
  11. Tsunami

    Tsunami Member

    Oct 16, 2000
    SD, CA
    Club:
    Arsenal LFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Congratulations to the Netherlands on their move up.

    If the US keeps scheduling and bare beating those lower ranked teams they might drop into 2nd without Germany having to play anyone.
     
  12. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    and congrats to england for making the top 10.

    is this the first time?
     
  13. Andreas Kolle

    Andreas Kolle New Member

    Nov 14, 2008
    Club:
    Røa IL Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    I agree with redcard about Norway. As FIFA uses Elo (all matches count) rather than just counting the latest so and so matches, Norway should at one point be ranked at least second. It's a bit of an irony that the Norwegian men's team has had a higher ranking than the girls.

    On the other hand, as the ranking started during the Åge Steen years (the dark limbo of Norwegian football) it makes more sense. And as Berntsen isn't exactly helping the situation... Also, the current African Champions are ranked 72, and sixth in Africa. So things are a bit strange at the table.
     
  14. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
  15. Andreas Kolle

    Andreas Kolle New Member

    Nov 14, 2008
    Club:
    Røa IL Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    I fumbled, Norway's WNT has been ranked second. The two first rankings. My bad.

    Of course, being ranked ninth is Berntsen's bad. Even though he's lacking a lot of players.
     
  16. chinadaiyi

    chinadaiyi Member

    Sep 11, 2008
    China
    Club:
    SS Lazio Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    the latest is out. Norway at 10th.
    what a badly position for norway?were you the same as china?

    Once lost the high position,it's hardly to go back:D
     
  17. Bonnie Lass

    Bonnie Lass Moderator
    Staff Member

    Lyon
    Norway
    Oct 20, 2000
    Up top
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    That's OK. They'll be naming a new coach soon enough. Even if he/she won't be taking over until after the Euros.
     
  18. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Random question: how much can a tournament like EURO affect the rankings? I.e. what's a typical point gain/loss thanks to so many high-importance games in quick succession? (I'm wondering what the chances of Germany going back up to #2 (or even #1) are.)

    -edit-
    Okay, no-one answer that; I just went over to the FIFA site and saw the new rankings will be released tomorrow.... heh heh.... ^.^''' My bad.
     
  19. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
  20. Roland25

    Roland25 Member

    Sep 27, 2007
    Germany / Aachen
    USA: 2197
    Germany: 2162


    Very interesting! Germany collects points by wining world cups and EU's ,then loses much more in Algrave cups.

    In 2007 won 53 poinst by winning WC, just after losing 81 points in Algrave 2007 and China Tournament (2007) together.

    Getting 43 points in EU 2009, only after losing 60 poinst in Algrave cups 2008 and 2009 together.

    WC 2007 + EU 2009 = +96

    Algrave cup (2007-2009)
    +China tournament 2007 = -141
    ------------------------------------------
    -45 points

    -45 points is lost in three years (besides the -22 lost in Olympic 2008) despite winning two official tournaments :confused:

    Why do they attend Algrave cup's, is a good question.

    If Germany just hadn't played at these tournaments, similar to Brazil, it had now 2303 points. 106 points ahead of the 2nd team.
     
  21. Micol

    Micol Member+

    Sep 16, 2008
    Interesting maths, but does it hold up in practice? Where do the hypothetical 2303 points come from, if not from preparing well for the matches that count? Football doesn't exactly embrace the "other things equal" principle. Would Germany have won the EUROs so convincingly if they hadn't had the chance to break eg Kulig and Schmidt in at the Algarve training tourney? (Besides, it's great to see some football again after a long winter and to get an idea of who else is out there, even if it's not always top notch quality yet.) For me, the flaw is rather that the Algarve is included in the ranking in the first place - but, of course, if it weren't, where would the US get their points from so they could be first in the ranking? :cool:
     
  22. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't put much weight in the rankings. While the women's rankings may be closer to reality (thinner pool, I think) than the rankings for the men, both are flawed for various reasons. What really matters is showing in the various tournaments. Everyone knows Germany has won the last two WWC.
     
  23. Roland25

    Roland25 Member

    Sep 27, 2007
    Germany / Aachen
    That's true. I don't care ranking so much,only enjoying estimating the points :D

    The problem is not just the high weighting of Algrave cup. Germany loses to low rank teams easily and for that misses a lot of points. If Germany had finished runner-up each time, say losing each time to US , it had missed some 20-30 points for all three years, not 141 points.

    Look just at Algrave Cup 2007 for example:

    Germany 1 Norway 2
    Germany 0 France 1
    Germany 3 Denmark 0
    Germany 0 Italy 1

    Finishing 8th between 8 teams!! That's simply not normal, even if They use their B team.

    Germany lost exactly 50 points for these four games and got 53 points for winning the coming world cup, beating 5 teams 21-0 (beating North Korea, Norway and Brazil together 8-0). A stupid performance in Algrave cup actually canceled out the WC trophy for Germany :p

    oh well, i must point out again that I am following these details just for fun ;)
     
  24. fire123

    fire123 Member

    Jul 31, 2009
    The women's ranking is not perfect but it's pretty good, I think.
    Ranking is not everything but it does have its importance.

    Without it, fans from different parts of the world inherently will "rank" their teams higher. Once it comes time for the World Cup, how do you group teams? A fan of a country which gets placed into a group with 2 power house will certainly cry wolf even louder.
     
  25. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's very true. I'd forgotten they'd done that badly. Using Algarve to blood some new players is one thing. Completely flaking out is something else entirely. I will now not feel sorry for them anymore :D I'd previously been closer to the "ok, Algarve isn't that important so I can understand shifting points" club.
     

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