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  1. don gagliardi

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  2. TyffaneeSue

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    Invoking ultra right mouthpieces and quoting tabloids (anything good on page 6?) does not validate anyone's arguments.

    If hydroxychloroquine were a silver bullet, everyone would be flocking to it as it's readily available. But the evidence so far is iffy, and seems to indicate positive results primarily in less severely afflicted patients who would have recovered anyway. Right now, it's mostly being touted by the president's supporters for political, not medical/scientific reasons.
     
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  3. don gagliardi

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    Japanese ministers are ultra-right mouth-pieces? (Probably anti-Asian racists, too.)

    And Michigan's Democratic governor reportedly wants hydroxychloroquine shipped to her state after previously banning it.

    Facts are facts.
     
  4. SoccerMan94043

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    We're right on track on deaths in NY based on the models I've been looking at. 5 days to ~460 deaths a day since that post. Look for 2000 deaths a day in 7 to 10 days
     
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  5. TyffaneeSue

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    Michigan never banned hydroxychloroquine. Sean Davis is way far to the right, and the NY Post? Seriously.

    I'm posting links to scientific journals; others are posting information from local health departments. It's a good idea to avoid propaganda, and it never hurts to check Snopes first (though they are probably having a hard time keeping up with all the misinformation.)
     
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  6. don gagliardi

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    Gov. Whitmer reverses course on coronavirus drugs, is now asking feds for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine

    Gov. Gretchen Whitmer drew fire from some on the right after the Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs (LARA) sent a letter last week threatening "administrative action" against doctors who prescribed two experimental drugs that could potentially help coronavirus patients.

    The Whitmer administration has since removed the language threatening doctors from the letter and is now asking the federal government to send shipments of the drugs . . .


    https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hit...g-feds-for-hydroxychloroquine-and-chloroquine
     
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  7. don gagliardi

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    He links the factual data he relies upon. Show me where it's false.

    The partisan ad hominem is not persuasive.
     
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  8. TyffaneeSue

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    Nowhere does it say that the drug was banned. The purpose or the original statement, as noted above, was to avoid stockpiling the drug, to ensure that lupus and arthritis patients in Michigan could get adequate supplies!

    From the article:

    "Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, a Clarklake Republican, told The Detroit News that he asked the governor to issue the original letter to prevent people from hoarding the drugs and thus depriving non-coronavirus patients of their medicine."

    Misrepresent, distort. I took a course in propaganda as an undergrad, and it's proven to be the most practical subject I studied!
     
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  9. don gagliardi

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    You need to study focusing on the point, which is that the drug is popular, not only among doctors surveyed around the world, but also the Democratic governor of Michigan. However you construe Michigan's letter to doctors (which @due time posted previously), there is no question that the Michigan governor finds the drug useful right now, which is consistent with the global polling among doctors that the New York Post reported.

    This is obviously good news. Yet it has engendered an angry rant from you, and it's difficult to understand why.
     
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  10. TyffaneeSue

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  11. markmcf8

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    Dang! I should have taken that course! Instead, I learned how to write an opinion poll in such a way that I could get any answer I wanted from the respondents. I demonstrated that technique once in a high school classroom by getting them to agree with diametrically opposed points of view on three or four topics. It was a hoot.

    Oh well, several other things I should have done in college too. Maybe I'll go back, again.

    Go Quakesfans!!

    - Mark
     
  12. TyffaneeSue

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    Your course sounds way more useful! What I remember the most from my course, which I think was actually entitled Rhetoric (sounds academic?) was that the professor had assembled clips from crazy leaders ranging from Hitler/Mussolini to Father Coughlin. In those pre-online days, we didn't have access to that kind of material, so I'd heard about Triumph of the Will but never seen it. And all my life had wondered "how could anyone believe those crazy coots?" The movies answered that question in a powerful way.
     
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  13. Quakes05

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  15. due time

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    If it's a stupid action, it's a stupid action. I don't care which political party put it out there. If it was such a great idea, where were the other 48 states??? Only 2 governors put this out, and 1 retracted 3 days later, seeing the error of her ways.

    Your defense of it just gets stranger and stranger.

    Is it your wish for Newsome to make this same statement tomorrow? If not, why not?
     
  16. due time

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  17. due time

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    In the research I've done, efficacy of masks seems to be highly debated in the medical profession, especially for non-hospital settings.

    Personally, I don't see why they shouldn't be used. There is no practical downside that I can tell, as long as there are enough for medical personnel who really do NEED them. But if the mask is some homemade thing, or a Home Depot dusk mask, and you are going to be within sneezing range of other people it can't really hurt and it may help.
     
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  18. NedZ

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  19. due time

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    That's a great skill! If you turned that into a profession you'd have lots of job offers.
     
  20. due time

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    I can see you did pay attention in that propaganda class. Start with a truth and slowly mix in some misrepresentations, before you get to the big lie.

    They didn't ban HCQ. Just banned doctors for prescribing it for COVID-19.

    THAT is what the discussion is about, not what the intent was.

    She banned DOCTORS from PRESCRIBING it to THEIR PATIENTS. She took the medical decision away from the doctors and put it under HER authority.

    And then reversed the decision days later.
     
  21. don gagliardi

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    Yeah, especially since he cannot seem to distinguish between the Post and the Daily News. :)
     
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  22. don gagliardi

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