Observation: I don't really rate that much the Argentinian League of the end of 70s. Maradona's average participation dropped a lot while playing in Europe and his goal contribution for the Argentina NT wasn't nearly as good as his Argentinos Juniors or Boca Juniors supposed numbers at that time. He showed glimpses of his talent, that's true... but not enough to be the best in the world at that time and he wasn't in most his period in Europe or in his big tournaments (not in La Liga, not in 1979 Copa América, not in the 78 or 82 World Cup). ==> Data is uncertain for many players from the past (and not only from the past too). In Europe (acc Spanish Wiki) Maradona played 346 matches with 161 goals (around 51 PK) and 115 assists (around 328 90s) His teams scored at rate of 1.63 GF per game 0.686 / 1.63 = ~42% non-PK goals + assists while in Europe. For Argentina he had 34 goals (3 PK?) + 28(?) assists in 91 matches (137 Goals scored) Even if it is not correct you still can see that his average goal contribution average for Argentina was still closer to his european numbers than to his early argentina period! But let's says the data is correct... it is more easily verifiable / reliable for the National Teams and big competitions btw.. About 10 years-peak (Pelé 1957-1966) Brazilian NT Potentially 32 assists acc Tomas Rosalino (minimum of minimum 19, including some games with no counted and bad counted) = (estimated 25 assists) + 57 Goals (53 non-PK Goals)... 54.91 90s for Brazilian NT 151 Goals (59 matches) in those matches G+A p90 max: 1.621 G+A p90 min: 1.384 G+A p90 avg: 1.493 Non-PKG + A p90 max: 1.548 Non-PKG + A p90 min: 1.311 Non-PKG + A p90 avg: 1.42 Estimated G+A p90 contribution: 1.493 / 2.559 = 58.34% (54.08% to 63.34%) Estimated npkG+A p90 contribtion: 1.42 / 2.559 = 55.49% (51.23% to 60.49%) On-Off: Estimated G+A contribution: 1.493 / 2.395 = 62.33% (57.78% to 67.68%) Estimated npkG+A contribtution: 1.42 / 2.395 = 59.29% (54.73% to 64.63%) Santos: 476 Goals (51 PK) and estimated 178 assists in estimated 42631 minutes (360.9 90s) 1208 Santos Goals in 365 matches (3.309) Estimated G+A p90 contribution: 1.812 / 3.309 = 54.76% Estimated npkG + A p90 contribution: 1.671 / 3.309 = 50.49% On-Off Estimated G+A contribution: 1.812 / (1464/474) = 58.67% Estimated npkG + A contribution: 1.671 / (1464/474) = 54.10% Pelé Overall Brazil and Santos (1957-1966): 533 Goals (55PK) and 203 assists in estimated 415.8 90s Estimated G+A p90 rate: 1.77 Estimated npkG + A p90 rate: 1.638 Estimated G+A contribution / on-off contribution: 55.22% / 59.15% Estimated npkG+A contribution / on-off contribution: 51.18% / 54.82% That's huge rate and contribution considering that Pelé was part of a Brazilian team (two-time World Champions) that was ranked number one on average for that time and a Santos who was the best team in Brazil (in this period) and possibly, on average, TOP3 in the world between 1957-1966. World Champion with club and NT, both first title for Brazil in all history. I did the same for Messi in his peak numbers... Messi Overall Argentina and Barcelona (2010/2011 - 2019/2020) 564 Goals (82 PK) and 240 assists 51095 (567.7 90s) G+A p90 rate: 1.416 npkG + A p90 rate: 1.272 G+A contribution / on-off contribution: 56.96% / 57.07% npkG+A contribution / on-off contribution: 51.17% / 51.22% A bit of context: While Messi did well in his Goalcontribution peak for Barcelona between 10-11 to 19-20 (but arguably less well than Pelé at Santos playing for a stronger Barcelona, it was vastly discussed here.... it of course ended with Messi fanboys calling me low IQ, retarded, dumb etc... so I in fact don't like this thread anymore, but it is open to people see)..... ..... Messi failed to lead Argentina to the World Title or to the Copa America title, with a lot of more chances of achieving success (3 WCs all of them with no injuries etc, 4 Copas) and more.. in fact he didn't elevated Argentina at all according Elo rating average for the decade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Football_Elo_Ratings#Averages_by_decade as you can see the same position. Nice to see too. You can argue that Messi played more, but I am not sure of that. Pelé played 697 matches between 1957-1966 if you include the non-official matches (many of them having to travel great distances to be tackled in poor pitches). Anyway, I can describe Messi as one of the most efficient/accurate players in the last third of the pitch. Pelé, however, the most complete and effective.