The official "Some site says this guy is a Yank" detective work thread

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, May 23, 2013.

  1. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    This is just an idea, but it seems like on whose time has come now that so many people are pitching in on the search for Yanks around the world.

    There are several sites out there that list player citizenship, and they are very useful for finding players. However, I've come across sufficient errors on most of them that I often hold off starting threads on certain guys until I can get some level of confirmation beyond the site itself.

    Sometimes the sites are right (probably more often than not) but I've seen some very careless errors -- they seem to be guessing based on the name, or skin color, or a year or so at an American college, etc. I think we should try to do a little better.

    I'd like to propose that we use this thread to propose possible Yanks based on what web sites say and then crowd-source the follow-up work to nail it down. Personally, I try not to start a thread on someone unless at least one of these things happen:
    • A news report calls him a Yank
    • A database site lists a birthplace (and I'm reasonably sure it's Reading, Pa., and not Reading, UK)
    • His club, college, USSDA or other reputable organization (like a foreign federation) says he's a Yank
    • The player, his agent or a family member says he's a Yank
    • Certain reputable BigSoccer posters in a position to know say he's a Yank
    This is just a proposal, so I'm interested to hear reaction.

    Here are some useful sites for starting work:
    If you know of others, glad to hear them.
     
  2. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Here's one to start things off: Ahmet Brown. Transfermarkt says he's a German-American '95 at Fortuna Duesseldorf. Site says he was born in Germany.

    http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/ahmet-brown/profil/spieler_158520.html

    Fussball-Talente agrees. (It also says his nickname is "Ami," which is a common name for Americans in Germany but could of course also be short for "Ahmet.")

    http://www.fussball-talente.com/Ahmet_Brown-3_7-15909-1.html

    He used to be at Leverkusen.

    This is the same guy who has been listed as "Ahmet Küçükoğlu." His listing changed relatively reasonable for reasons I don't know.

    He's listed as a midfielder with the U19s, but the club doesn't mention citizenship.

    http://www.fortuna-duesseldorf.de/jugend/u19/kader-u19/index.htm

    Anybody know his claim to citizenship? (Not a guess, but actual info?)
     
  3. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really now, Dave? SFW?

    [​IMG]
     
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  4. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
  5. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Just search "Ahmet Brownie" on facebook. He's the only match.
     
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  7. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
  9. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still doesn't work for me.

    The other guy has a variation on the name, right age range, links to Turkey & Germany, & clearly a massive soccer fan. Fan of "Anti USA," though. So it would seem he does not define himself overly much as a Yank.
     
  10. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
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  11. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Soccer Talents says Martin Kennel, a '98 at Metz, is Slovakian and American.

    http://www.soccer-talents.com/Martin_Kennel-3_7-138022-12.html

    On a club roster page:

    http://blog.fcmetz.com/?page_id=45

    And some match reports:

    http://blog.fcmetz.com/?page_id=250

    Now, this may be entirely legit but I can't help noticing that Soccer Talents says he is from Nacogdoches:

    http://www.football-talents.co.uk/Nacogdoches_Youth_Soccer_Association-26_27-2-23-31458.html

    And there happens to be a kennel named "Martin Kennel" in Nacogdoches:

    https://www.google.com/search?q="ma...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

    So... Coincidence?
     
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  12. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Here's possibly German-American '97 Ken Flemming at HSV:

    http://www.soccer-talents.com/Ken_Flemming-3_7-63918-12.html

    He does seem to exist:

    http://www.hsv.de/nachwuchs/nachwuchsteams/u-16/

    Club only lists him as German.

    http://www.hsv.de/nachwuchs/nachwuchsteams/u-16/spieler/

    This is a list, posted on the club site, the substance of which I have no idea. However, it groups people apparently around Ken's age into countries -- including the USA.

    http://www.hsv.de/fileadmin/redaktion/HSV-Kids/Fussballschule/Teilnehmer 97 u 98.pdf

    There is a Flemming on that list with the word "USA" by his name. My guess, though it's just a guess, is that this might be like when you go to camp and they tell your your team is the Heat and your buddy's team is the Lakers and so on. Could be wrong, of course.
     
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  13. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Meant to say "relatively recently" here.
     
  14. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    If you see this picture, its him:

    [​IMG]

    It matches one of the guys in the U-19 photo
     
  15. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Back in 2011, CreightonMCFCJoey had a list of players, one of which included Ken, under the thread "The German Ascension":

    1997:
    Benedict Laverty - M - Bayern Munich U15
    Ken Flemming - M - Hamburg SV U15
    Joshua Bitter - D - FC Schalke 04
    Bennet Packheiser - M - Hamburg SV U15

    Maybe he knows something about it? Paging CreightonMCFCjoey
     
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  16. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Sent him a message, will let you know if I hear back.
     
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  17. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
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  18. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
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  19. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa

    Are you wanting to document players who are already captied to other countries?

    I only ask because he's permanently captied to Luxembourg after appearing for them in a WCQ vs. Northern Ireland:

    http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/europe/matches/round=258374/match=300182281/report.html

    Not sure if he was ever eligible for us but just thought I'd add that since it wasn't specific on his wiki. He now has 7 caps for Luxembourg.
     
  20. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
  22. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I've sent a message to Brian Babit as well who was mentioned by someone as possibly having American ties when he was at FC Metz with Chris Philipps. He is now with Dijon.
     
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  23. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
  25. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Darrick-Kobi "Kobie" Morris, a '95, appears to be in the mix at NK Zagreb:

    http://nkzagreb.hr/main.asp?dir=vijest&vijestid=256

    Transfermarkt lists his birthplace as Syracuse. I don't always think they're an authoritative source, but when they list a birthplace they are usually correct.

    http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/darrick-kobi-morris/profil/spieler_205936.html

    His Soccer-Talents profile doesn't list American citizenship.

    http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/darrick-kobi-morris/profil/spieler_205936.html
     
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