2010 Seeding formula: December 2006 update

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Edgar, Dec 26, 2006.

  1. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    The new FIFA rankings are out for December.

    Top 7 teams seeded

    (South Africa automatically seeded as hosts)

    Code:
                      Total WC   FIFA
     1 Brazil         61.3  29.3 32
     2 Italy          58.3  27.3 31
     3 Germany        57.3  30.3 27
     4 England        54.3  26.3 28
     5 France         52.3  23.3 29
     6 Argentina      51.0  21.0 30
     7 Portugal       47.3  22.3 25
    --------------------------------
     8 Spain          46.3  25.3 21
     9 Netherlands    40.7  14.7 26
    10 Sweden         38.3  19.3 19
    11 Ukraine        36.7  16.7 20
    12 Mexico         33.3  19.3 14
    13 Switzerland    31.3  15.3 16
    14 Czech Republic 29.0   6.0 23
    15 Croatia        27.0   9.0 18
    16 Ecuador        27.0  17.0 10
    17 Nigeria        26.7   2.7 24
    18 Cameroon       25.0   3.0 22
    19 USA            22.7  13.7  9
    20 Cote d'Ivoire  21.0   6.0 15
    21 Korea Republic 17.7  15.7  2
    22 Australia      17.3  11.3  6
    23 Greece         17.0   0.0 17
    24 Japan          16.3  13.3  3
    25 Uruguay        13.7   2.7 11
    26 Guinea         13.0   0.0 13
    27 Iran           12.3   5.3  7
    28 Egypt          12.0   0.0 12
    29 Colombia        8.0   0.0  8
    30 Uzbekistan      5.0   0.0  5
    31 Cuba            4.0   0.0  4
    32 South Africa    4.0   3.0  1
    Romania replaced by Guinea.

    Much of the following was originally written by eldiablito and scaryice, so credit to them. Also thanks to eldiablito for doing this last time for many months and scaryice for doing this in the last months.

    FAQ

    Why is this list different than FIFA's Coca-Cola rankings?

    Because Fifa's Coca-Cola rankings are only part of the complex seeding formula.

    What is the seeding formula used for?

    The seeding formula is used to determine which 8 countries receive seeds. Those 8 teams are heads of each of the 8 groups in the world cup. By being seeded, they get the luxury of not having to play another seeded team until the knockout stage.

    What is the seeding formula exactly?

    The complex formula takes into account the performance at the last 2 world cups and the FIFA rankings.

    Part A: World Cup performance = (2002*1+2006*2)/3
    Part B: FIFA Ranking = (12/2007 rank+12/2008 rank+11/2009 rank)/3
    Part A + Part B = world cup seeding formula

    For the purposes of this showing you the current standings in this thread, the current FIFA rank will count as all three years.

    How is the world cup performance determined?

    0 points are awarded if the country failed to qualify that year.
    The 16 teams that didn't make it out of the group stage are ranked (Points, GD, GF). The bottom 8 get 8 points each. The top 8 get 9 points each.

    All the countries that advanced to the knockout stage are placed from 1st place to 16th place. 1st place (champs) receives 32 points. 2nd place receives 31 points. 3rd place receives 30 points. etc. All the way to 16th place which receives 17 points.

    How are the points for FIFA ranking awarded?

    Similarly to above. First, all 32 teams that qualify are ranked by their FIFA ranking. The best is given 32 points. The worst 1 point. If two or more teams have the same FIFA ranking, the points are not divided among them. Instead, the one shown first in the FIFA rankings gets the most points and so on.

    How do you pick which 32 countries to run the seeding formula?

    I pick the countries based on their FIFA ranking by federation. For example, the best 13 UEFA teams by FIFA ranking since 13 UEFA teams will qualify. This is done primarily for two reasons. It keeps the criteria objective and it runs the formula with the worst-case scenario in mind.

    13-UEFA
    4.5-CONMEBOL
    3.5-CONCACAF
    5.0-AFC+OFC
    6.0-CAF

    Are you sure that FIFA will use this seeding formula?

    No, it might change slightly. For 2006 they only used the previous 2 World Cups instead of 3 like before. But they've been using the same basic formula since 1994.

    Previous Editions

    July 2006
    August 2006
    September 2006
    October 2006
    November 2006
     
  2. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    Pot 1: Argentina, Brazil, England, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal, South Africa
    Pot 2: Croatia, Czech Republic, Greece, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine
    Pot 3: Australia, Cuba, Iran, Japan, Korea Republic, Mexico, USA, Uzbekistan
    Pot 4: Cameroon, Colombia, Cote d'Ivoire, Ecuador, Egypt, Guinea, Nigeria, Uruguay


    Group A: South Africa, Netherlands, Japan, Uruguay
    Group B: France, Croatia, Mexico, Nigeria
    Group C: Brazil, Greece, Uzbekistan, Cameroon
    Group D: England, Spain, Korea Republic, Guinea
    Group E: Argentina, Ukraine, Australia, Egypt
    Group F: Italy, Sweden, Cuba, Cote d'Ivoire
    Group G: Portugal, Czech Republic, Iran, Ecuador
    Group H: Germany, Switzerland, USA, Colombia
     
  3. adamalfi

    adamalfi New Member

    Dec 7, 2006
    West New York
    what happens if a seeded team does not qualify...I'm pretty sure Egypt will find a way not to qualify, they always do.
     
  4. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Egypt is not a seeded team - only the top 8 are. The rest are distributed geographically.

    Until teams are actually qualified these threads simply use the highest ranking members of each confederation to illustrate a sample draw, rather than guess at who will make it.
     
  5. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just for fun, I computed how the seeding would work for the upcoming Fifa Women's World Cup.

    Seeded teams would be China PR (host), Germany, USA, Sweden. Norway finishes behind Sweden according to the calculations.

    WWC 2007 Seeding Thread
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=457457
     
  6. green94

    green94 Member

    Jan 1, 2007
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Hamburger SV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ouch! That would be one tough group.
     
  7. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    February update:

    The new FIFA rankings are out for February.

    Ghana/Mali/Paraguay replace Egipt/Guinea/Colombia.

    Portugal no longer seeded.

    Top 7 teams seeded

    (South Africa automatically seeded as hosts)

    Code:
     1 Brazil         60.3 29.3 31
     2 Italy          59.3 27.3 32
     3 Germany        58.3 30.3 28
     4 England        53.3 26.3 27
     5 France         52.3 23.3 29
     6 Argentina      51.0 21.0 30
     7 Spain          48.3 25.3 23
    ------------------------------ 
     8 Portugal       47.3 22.3 25
     9 Netherlands    40.7 14.7 26
    10 Ukraine        38.7 16.7 22
    11 Mexico         35.3 19.3 16
    12 Switzerland    34.3 15.3 19
    13 Czech Republic 30.0  6.0 24
    14 Croatia        30.0  9.0 21
    15 Ecuador        29.0 17.0 12
    16 Ghana          27.3 13.3 14
    17 USA            24.7 13.7 11
    18 Paraguay       21.7 11.7 10
    19 Cote d'Ivoire  21.0  6.0 15
    20 Greece         20.0  0.0 20
    21 Cameroon       20.0  3.0 17
    22 Korea Republic 19.7 15.7  4
    23 Japan          18.3 13.3  5
    24 Romania        18.0  0.0 18
    25 Australia      17.3 11.3  6
    26 Uruguay        15.7  2.7 13
    27 Iran           14.3  5.3  9
    28 Nigeria         9.7  2.7  7
    29 Mali            8.0  0.0  8
    30 South Africa    4.0  3.0  1
    31 Uzbekistan      3.0  0.0  3
    32 Cuba            2.0  0.0  2
    
     
  8. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    Pot 1: Argentina, Brazil, England, France, Germany, Italy, South Africa, Spain
    Pot 2: Croatia, Czech Republic, Greece, Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Switzerland, Ukraine
    Pot 3: Australia, Cuba, Iran, Japan, Korea Republic, Mexico, USA, Uzbekistan
    Pot 4: Cameroon, Cote d'Ivoire, Ecuador, Ghana, Mali, Nigeria, Paraguay, Uruguay

    Group A: South Africa, Ukraine, Korea Republic, Paraguay
    Group B: England, Greece, USA, Cote d'Ivoire
    Group C: Brazil, Portugal, Iran, Nigeria
    Group D: Spain, Netherlands, Uzbekistan, Ghana
    Group E: France, Switzerland, Cuba, Uruguay
    Group F: Italy, Croatia, Mexico, Ecuador
    Group G: Germany, Romania, Japan, Mali
    Group H: Argentina, Czech Republic, Australia, Cameroon
     

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