2010 Seeding Formula: September 2006 Update

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by scaryice, Sep 13, 2006.

  1. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    (crossposted to my blog, Climbing the Ladder)

    The new FIFA rankings are out for September.


    Top 7 teams seeded

    (South Africa automatically seeded as hosts)

    Code:
              		Total	WC	FIFA
    1	Brazil  	61.3	29.3	32
    2	Italy   	55.3	27.3	28
    2	England 	55.3	26.3	29
    2	Germany 	55.3	30.3	25
    5	France  	54.3	23.3	31
    6	Argentina	51.0	21.0	30
    7	Spain   	48.3	25.3	23
    				
    8	Portugal	46.3	22.3	24
    9	Netherlands	41.7	14.7	27
    10	Ukraine 	36.7	16.7	20
    11	Mexico  	35.3	19.3	16
    12	Switzerland	34.3	15.3	19
    12	Sweden  	34.3	19.3	15
    14	Czech   	32.0	6.0	26
    15	Nigeria 	24.7	2.7	22
    15	Denmark 	24.7	7.7	17
    17	Cameroon	24.0	3.0	21
    18	Paraguay	23.7	11.7	12
    19	Ghana   	23.3	13.3	10
    20	USA     	21.7	13.7	8
    21	Uruguay 	20.7	2.7	18
    22	Cote d'Ivoire	20.0	6.0	14
    23	Korea   	19.7	15.7	4
    24	Australia	18.3	11.3	7
    24	Japan   	18.3	13.3	5
    26	Croatia 	18.0	9.0	9
    27	Colombia	13.0	0.0	13
    28	Costa Rica	11.3	8.3	3
    28	Iran    	11.3	5.3	6
    30	Greece  	11.0	0.0	11
    31	Trinidad	7.3	5.3	2
    32	South Africa	4.0	3.0	1
    
    Colombia/Ghana/Greece/Trinidad replaced Ecuador/Guatemala/Guinea/Romania.

    Spain have dropped and are closer to Portugal. If Mexico and Sweden were to get in the top ten they could have a shot as well.


    Much of the following was originally written by eldiablito, so credit to him. Also thanks to him for doing this last time for many months. Apparently he hasn't been online in a month, so I've decided to do it tonight. Plus, I'm up really late when the rankings come out (3 AM central time).

    FAQ

    Why is this list different than FIFA's Coca-Cola rankings?

    Because Fifa's Coca-Cola rankings are only part of the complex seeding formula.

    What is the seeding formula used for?

    The seeding formula is used to determine which 8 countries receive seeds. Those 8 teams are heads of each of the 8 groups in the world cup. By being seeded, they get the luxury of not having to play another seeded team until the knockout stage.

    What is the seeding formula exactly?

    The complex formula takes into account the performance at the last 2 world cups and the FIFA rankings.

    Part A: World Cup performance = (2002*1+2006*2)/3
    Part B: FIFA Ranking = (12/2007 rank+12/2008 rank+11/2009 rank)/3
    Part A + Part B = world cup seeding formula

    For the purposes of this showing you the current standings in this thread, the current FIFA rank will count as all three years.

    How is the world cup performance determined?

    0 points are awarded if the country failed to qualify that year.
    8 points are awarded for the bottom 8 teams in the group stage.
    9 points are awarded for the top 8 teams in the group stage who didn't advance.

    All the countries that advanced to the knockout stage are placed from 1st place to 16th place. 1st place (champs) receives 32 points. 2nd place receives 31 points. 3rd place receives 30 points. etc. All the way to 16th place which receives 17 points.

    How are the points for FIFA ranking awarded?

    Similarly to above. First, all 32 teams that qualify are ranked by their FIFA ranking. The best is given 32 points. The worst 1 point.

    How do you pick which 32 countries to run the seeding formula?

    I pick the countries based on their FIFA ranking by federation. For example, the best 14 UEFA teams by FIFA ranking since 14 UEFA teams will qualify. This is done primarily for two reasons. It keeps the criteria objective and it runs the formula with the worst-case scenario in mind.

    14-UEFA
    4.5-CONMEBOL
    3.5-CONCACAF
    4.5-AFC
    5.0-CAF
    0.5-OFC

    Are you sure that FIFA will use this seeding formula?

    No, it might change slightly. For 2006 they only used the previous 2 World Cups instead of 3 like before. But they've been using the same basic formula since 1994.

    Previous Editions

    July 2006
    August 2006
     
  2. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    Pot 1: Argentina, Brazil, England, France, Germany, Italy, South Africa, Spain
    Pot 2: Czechia, Denmark, Greece, Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine
    Pot 3: Australia, Costa Rica, Iran, Japan, Korea Republic, Mexico, Trinidad and Tobago, USA
    Pot 4: Cameroon, Colombia, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, Nigeria, Paraguay, Uruguay
    Special pot: Croatia

    Group A: South Africa, Denmark, Japan, Croatia
    Group B: Germany, Switzerland, Korea Republic, Paraguay
    Group C: England, Ukraine, Iran, Uruguay
    Group D: France, Netherlands, Trinidad and Tobago, Colombia
    Group E: Argentina, Czechia, Australia, Cote d'Ivoire
    Group F: Italy, Greece, USA, Ghana
    Group G: Spain, Portugal, Costa Rica, Nigeria
    Group H: Brazil, Sweden, Mexico, Cameroon
     
  3. TheTreasurer

    TheTreasurer Member

    Nov 6, 2005
    Perth, Australia
    This will all change when CONCACRAP starts WC qualfiers and MExico and USA get in there.
     
  4. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It won't change nearly enough. The modifications to the FIFA rankings have pretty much guaranteed that the usual suspects will get their seeds. There are no CONCACAF qualifiers until next year at the earliest, so CONCACAF teams will have been nudged lower and lower by the December rankings.

    Not that I think the US deserves a seed. But Mexico's consistent performance though 4 WCs now (better than half the teams that will get seeds next time, I think) should garner them more respect, I think.

    Ukraine ahead of Mexico?

    Insane.
     
  5. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The very definition of a Group of Death. Wow.
     
  6. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    Don't they base it on the rankings at the end of 2007, 2008 and 2009?
     
  7. TheTreasurer

    TheTreasurer Member

    Nov 6, 2005
    Perth, Australia
    they are consistant becuase they are alwasy seeded highest. Mexico will never make it past the R16 they are not good enough as a footballing nation.

    I would like to see them go in like a Group F or Group E at this Years World Cup.
     
  8. Gold is the Colour

    Dec 17, 2005
    Perth Australia
    Club:
    Perth Glory
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia

    Not much better
     
  9. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    this is all useless speculation, don't these teams have to qualify first ?
     
  10. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Mexico was only seeded in 2006 they weren't seeded in 98 or 02.
     
  11. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    Obviously you weren't on here for the last four years.
     
  12. Auxodium

    Auxodium New Member

    Apr 11, 2003
    Perth, Australia

    that sums up the quality of the confederation perfectly! LOL
     

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