Zogby - 40% Would Support Impeachment If Proof of Bush Lied on Iraq

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  1. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
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    Check the Congressional record.
     
  2. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

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    If you don't care, then why waste your time posting that I'm "simply an insulated, tenured academic?" You care enough to be actively, stupidly wrong, but not to get the facts and be right? Uh, okay.

    Welcome to that 60%. ;)
     
  3. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
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    Thanks comrade!
     
  4. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
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    Free expression of dissent, gay civil unions, healthcare.
     
  5. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
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    He's talking about BigSoccer posters, silly.
     
  6. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

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    Ah, understood.
     
  7. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    If you mean, forcing the Gospel of the ********ing Obvious down the throats of the unwashed heathen, then yes, much work remains to be done.

    Even if the DSM didn't prove that Iraq's WMD capabilities were known to be less than that of Libya (I mean, Libya, for Pete's sake), then we have the long, long series of lies about Saddam's nuclear capabilities, and his connection to 9/11 - lies that Bush is still repeating as of this week.

    Most of the "We can't prove Bush didn't lie" theory rests on the possibility that he was simply reading his speeches fo-net-ick-ly, with his drug-addled brain unable to comprehend the meanings of the sentences he was spitting out. Since he himself, when not chasing off the DT's, would strenuously deny such a thing, then we're back where we started - with the President of the United States making a long series of speeches from 2002 to Tuesday, much of which he knew at the time to be false, and most of which can be proven false.

    It's adorable to see a conservative movement whose delicate sensibilities were so shattered by Bill Clinton's sex life regain their faith to such a degree that mere bloodstained hands aren't enough to shake their determination, but that doesn't mean Bush told the truth any more than similarly strongly held beliefs mean that the dinosaurs missed Noah's Ark.
     
  8. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

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    Пожалуйста, Gospadin...Fish?
     
  9. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Putting BigSoccer posts in the Congressional Record is one hell of a waste of tax dollars.
     
  10. topcatcole

    topcatcole BigSoccer Supporter

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    Have you ever read the Congressional Record? It's already a waste of tax dollars. BigSoccer posts would actually be an improvement over a lot of the stuff in there.
     
  11. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
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    Can't say I really feel like sifting through 323 pages of past threads. Anyone who was around back then knows this to be true.

    If Bush deliberately lied to lead the coutnry into war, why did he do so?? Not because of oil--the percentage of our imported oil that comes from Iraq is surprisingly small (not that extracting more oil from Iraq as a means of getting more leverage on Saudi Arabia would've been a bad idea). Not for politics--why would he invade a year and a half before coming up for re-election, by which time any political boost would have long worn off?? Not to avenge the assassination attempt on his father--that could explain Bush's motives, but not the motives of others in the government, and certainly not the motives of Blair, Berlusconi, Aznar, etc. Not just for the hell of it--we were already at war (albeit low-intensity war after the first couple of months) in Afghanistan. Why, then??
     
  12. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Then don't make the accusation, twerp.

    Either prove it or pipe down.
     
  13. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
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    The Friedel manifesto makes it all worthwhile.
     
  14. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
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    I'm making the "accusation" because it's true. No-one aside from total crackpots, on here or elsewhere, seriously believed Saddam didn't have WMDs before the invasion. This is revisionist history at its finest (you know, most lefties when confronted with this fact will at least say something like "Yeah, but that's because Bush lied and I believed it"...you should try something like that rather than simply denying the past truth...just a thought).
     
  15. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
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    I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me a crackpot.
     
  16. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
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    When you read Aristotle you notice pretty early on that he was very fond of the formulation "all rational men will agree..." and that whenever it appears, it introduces something which many rational men will in fact not agree to...

    I can't think of a single person I discussed it with who believed that Saddam did have WMDs. That was so transparent to so many of us that you are going to have to answer to yourself for your gullability sooner or later...
     
  17. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

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    Bill Clinton would appreciate it if you didn't call him a liar.
     
  18. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

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    Spoken like someone who knows his earliest post on BigSoccer is Dec 2004.
     
  19. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

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    That's called "The genetic fallacy."
     
  20. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    I can safely assume that you have no Iranian or Kurdish friends.
     
  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    If I understand you correctly, you're saying the notion of a Kerry voter being against impeachment is contradictory.

    Which is a perfect example of projection by the will to power branch of the Republican party.
     
  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Um, dude, it was a hypothetical question.

    You're not very smart, are you?
     
  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    You can't impeach a senator. Not to mention the DSM don't talk about senators. Please stop being stupid. I know it's hard for you.
     
  24. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
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    I object to my esteemed colleague from the District of Columbia's denigration of this nation's fine record of all things Congressional.

    And I would like to read into the record my recognition of the potato as the finest tuber in this great land.
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    You clearly have no idea what that phrase meant, and therefore means. Please stop sleeping through history class.

    Don't speak for me, and the others. By the time the war started, there were many of us newsgeeks who knew he had nothing. I thought we might find a few strays left over from the 80s (like that lone, solitary IED that had chemical weapons in it.) I'm not talking about everyone opposed to the war now. I'm talking about many of us here, and millions across the United States. You seem to have forgotten just how bad Powell's UN presentation was, and how strong the debunking reporting on it afterward.
     

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