Zenga: "Most of the improvement is from Bruce Arena"

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by cpwilson80, Jan 25, 2006.

  1. cpwilson80

    cpwilson80 Member+

    Mar 20, 2001
    Boston
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    Would it reasonable to think of Zenga as a potential future Nats coach?
     
  3. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No.

    ...But to be honest, I have no idea what he's doing now. My only opinion of him comes from his season with the Revs. I think we've got a lot better than him here in MLS. For all my distaste of the Gals, I'd take Fat Sigi over him in a minute. At least Fat Sigi has a few trophies.
     
  4. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Coaching Red Star is nothing to sneeze at.
     
  5. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah. OK. Well, that's something. Which leads to a discussion as to which is better -- MLS, or the Serbia/Montenegran top division + (I would guess) Champions League. But that's probably a silly direction to take a Men's N&A thread.
     
  6. Crimen y Castigo

    May 18, 2004
    OakTown
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Imad Baba gets a shout out from the Spiderman. There's something very cool about that.
     
  7. jerseydan

    jerseydan New Member

    Jun 5, 2005
    My understanding is that the Serbian teams are corrupt. See Franklin Foer's How Soccer Explains the World. Seems they used to intimidate the other teams. Perhaps it has gotten better since the war ended. Just conjecture here and I could be wrong.
     
  8. ursula

    ursula Member

    Feb 21, 1999
    Republic of Cascadia
    WAIT A MINUTE!

    Zenga sends some love Baba's way..... One of the first players to get a cap from Arena was the same Baba... OOoooooohhhhhhhhh..


    Hope Spiderman keeps getting better as a coach.
     
  9. subbuteo

    subbuteo New Member

    Dec 17, 2002
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Red Star's fans racially taunted DMB so they're pretty much dead to me.
     
  11. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    With a name like Red Star (Crvena Zvezda), it has to be good.
     
  12. soccrbom2

    soccrbom2 New Member

    Sep 30, 2004
    Terre Haute
    GREAT book, just finished it about a week ago.
     
  13. Yankee_Devil

    Yankee_Devil Member

    Nov 13, 2005
    San Diego, CA
    Hail to the next US nats coach.

    ZENGA.
     
  14. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    he was a lousy coach for the Revs
     
  15. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    Ditto....not sure that the US is the right venue for Zenga. The game isn't big enough here for him to enjoy the star status that he seemingly needed when he was here. And he WAS a very lousy coach.

    A great keeper and a wonderful charismatic personality, just not a coach.
     
  16. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    can someone explain why Frank Dell'Apa refers to MLS as "the MLS"?

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    The MLS has never had a goalkeeper, much less a player-coach, quite like Zenga. The problem was, the MLS was not ready for a superstar goalkeeper with a rock star's attitude and image.
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    One would use "the NFL" or "the NHL" or "the NL" or "the AL" as those end with the "league", but when writing about "MLB" or "MLS", I just don't see a need for "the" and it looks wrong to say "the Major League Baseball" or "the Major League Soccer".
     
  17. wcharriscpa

    wcharriscpa Member

    Arsenal FC
    Dec 26, 2000
    Austin
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    So a manager attributes the success of a team to its manager?

    Shocking.

    :D
     
  18. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    in the grand scheme, assigning what factor is most responsible for the usa emerging, arena is as good a selection as any....

    his hubris goes a long way taking this team from where it was before him...
     
  19. 2-0 Baby

    2-0 Baby New Member

    Jun 9, 2004
    CO
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Zenga's "shout outs" sure are a stroll down memory lane. It's nice to see that he has positive memories about his time in "the" MLS.
     
  20. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    He second choice was to credit the goalkeepers, but it's been the same two bald guys for so long ...
     
  21. scarshins

    scarshins Member

    Jun 13, 2000
    fcva
    "My personal opinion is that most of the improvement is from Bruce Arena," Zenga said from Cyprus, where he was conducting practice with Red Star last week. "He has built and maintained a national team at high levels. The [MLS] is not yet at the level of Europe, yet the national team can compete with the great teams and has shown this, for example, in Korea [2002]. Also, many players have gone to play outside the country, and this has certainly given them more experience."

    Well he may be dead on here...which when you consider it has some negatives
     
  22. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's probably hard for a European player to imagine a nation's talent pool increasing as quickly as that of the US...so the quick answer is to credit the coach
     
  23. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think that is right at all. Zenga makes a cogent argument that -- the results garnered by the team are more than you would expect from summing the value of its parts. When that happens, the coach rightly gets credit.

    If you disagree -- for instance if you think he underates MLS or something, fine then take him on on that point -- different opinions and all. But to acuse him of Euro bias without any reason to do so is poor IMHO.
     
  24. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think I accused him of Euro bias at all. I just think when he pictures US players he thinks of the talent level at the time he was in MLS. He's been gone what? 7 years? In that time the talent level in Italy, or Serbia, has not changed dramatically, he probably underestimates the wealth in talent now available compared to 1999.
     

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