You are Yallop.

Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by QuietType, May 15, 2012.

  1. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    For general coaching/managerial/tactical role playing and discussion. Suppose you are in charge of the Quakes. What would you do differently? What would you like to see?
     
  2. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know we don't have everyone healthy right now, but this would be my starting lineup if we had everyone ready to go:


    --------Lenhart------Wondo------
    -Salinas-----Dawkins-----Chavez-
    ----------------Corrales------------
    Morrow--Bernardez--Opara--Beita
    ----------------Busch---------------

    Bench: Garza, Hernandez, Gordon, Sercan, Cronin, Bingham

    /drool

    Can't wait to see our squad back at full health, we need it badly.
     
  3. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    That's pretty close to what I might go with. Back line and forwards for sure. However, being a Bacanalian, I'd have Baca in place of Dawkins and slide Dawkins over to the left in place of Salinas. I think you're the guy who doesn't like Baca, but I like the way he plays. Dawkins is probably better in the center, but he is not bad on the left, and as he pinches in it would open up space for Morrow to overlap down the wing.
     
  4. WondoSoWonderful

    May 3, 2012
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    i'd roll something like
    ===========busch===========
    beitashour===bernardez====morrow===corrales==
    ============cronin====================
    chavez========moreno===========salinas====
    ==============wondo================
    ============gordon==============
     
  5. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    a little unorthodox, but if Gordon can play keep like Magee did and Busch can use his hands up front, I'd say you've got something :).

    I think I'd go:
    ---------------------Lenhart-------------------
    -----------------------Wondolowski-----
    ----------------------Baca----------------------
    Salinas---------------------------------Chavez
    ---------------------Cronin----------------------
    Corrales-----Morrow--Bernardez---Beitashour
    -----------------------Busch---------------------

    I'd probably bring Moreno off the bench for Baca, if needed. Dawkins on for Salinas, and Khari for Cronin.
     
  6. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Frank has addressed several of my key issues in the past. Namely, he is using more of his roster (not just because of injuries) and is subing more frequently and earlier in games.

    I have not many issues with his lineups. Most of the time is Khari placement up top when both Lenhart and Gordan were hurt. Of course, he played well enough in that role.

    Prior to the season, I wanted Ike in the middle with Morrow spotting Corrales at left back. Now, I want Morrow to stay in the middle and Corrales to continue at left back.

    At the moment, when everyone is healthy, I would go back to the original lineup that started the season:

    --------Lenhart------Wondo------
    -Salinas-----Baca-----Chavez-
    ----------------Cronin------------
    Corrales--Morrow--Bernardez----Beita
    ----------------Busch---------------
    Bench: Garza, Hernandez, Gordon, Sercan, Khari, Bingham
    Still struggle with Cronin as DM (even with his early good start). I prefer Dawkins to come in for Baca and Khari for Cronin (or flip them). Garza comes in the last two minutes if speed is needed on the outside.
     
  7. DotMPP

    DotMPP 'Quakes fan in Stumptown

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jun 29, 2004
    SE Portland, OR
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    4 out of 4 lineups that don't have Corrales coaching the youth acadamy... I am a minority :speechless:
     
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  8. Via_Chicago

    Via_Chicago Member

    Apr 1, 2004
    Bay Area, California
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We've got so many players injured that we're speculating more and more about players who we haven't seen at all this season (Sercan, Ring), players we've seen little of (Garza, Opara), and players playing in different positions (big list: Corrales, Morrow, Beitashour, Dawkins, and Stephenson). In sum, we really have no idea what we're talking about, and maybe Yallop doesn't really know either right now (given the injuries). Until we have a healthy lineup and a better idea of what some of these fringe players are capable of, all of this is just so much idle speculation (fun as it may be).

    What we do know is that Wondolowski and Lenhart work well together up top, we're defensively most solid with Cronin and Baca playing together in central midfield, we're a vastly better team with speed on the wings (Chavez and/or Salinas), and our defense dearly misses Bernardez. There's convincing evidence that we have better attacking width and defensive cover with Morrow at left back, and we have role players like Dawkins, Moreno, and Stephenson who can occasionally offer us significant attacking help in substitute or starting roles.

    Beyond this is sheer conjecture.
     
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  9. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I don't understand the folks who don't have Cronin starting at DCM. He's been stellar in that position this year, and I don't for a moment believe that any of the alternatives (Dawkins, Moreno, Stephenson, et al) have shown anywhere near the tenacity and value Sam has in this position so far this season...
     
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  10. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    He does a good job holding, but he's far too conservative and provides little to no offense. He's a guy I would put in to hold onto a lead, but not when I'm trying to score.
     
  11. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So basically you'd do exactly what Yallop has done? :D
     
  12. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea, that's kind of the point of this thread... But I would argue many things that aren't simply conjecture.
     
  13. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    If it ain't broke :thumbsup:. I didn't actually consciously regurgitate Frank's previous moves, but what can you do? I think those are the most dynamic players with the most talent (at least, that's what they've shown this season).
     
  14. KMJvet

    KMJvet BigSoccer Supporter

    May 26, 2001
    Quake Country
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1) Make them eat appropriately so the only injuries are due to Marquez-induced crap and even those recover faster. Then there's less injury-related lineup mgmt.
    2) Would have gotten rid of Gjertsen and probably Ward and signed Alas so we wouldn't have this problem of needing to use central players wide that we're having now.
    3) Get over the love affair with Stephenson.
    4) Tell Watson to focus on fixing whatever's wrong with Opara.
    5) Work on set pieces so we don't keep wasting them since we generate so many.

    Otherwise, Yallop's actually doing quite well for a change.
     
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  15. SJTillIDie

    SJTillIDie Member+

    Aug 23, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS rules prevent teams from cutting players while they are injured. But yeah, once they get healthy we should cut them and make a play for Alas if he's still available.
     
  16. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    1) First thing I'd do, of course - free Justin Morrow. Ramiro becomes depth or ever starter at d-mid and depth at left back.

    2) Once Bernardez is back, after a game or two, pair him up with Ike and never look back.

    3) Give Ring some starts at d-mid. See how the team looks with some bite in the midfield.

    4) Continue to start Dawkins on the left. No other Quakes player can attack with the ball through traffic in the center of the field like Dawkins and also be a threat to score or play a dangerous ball. Dawkins's tendency to cut in opens the wing for Morrow runs. Salinas is good depth.

    5) Baca -> central midfield

    6) Play positive, attractive, attacking soccer (often times, they've done this well this year) and tell David Kaval and Lew Wolff that this has to be part of the Earthquakes brand. Build into the team culture the idea that winning ugly or winning by dumb luck is not good enough. Means over end, but if the means is right, the end will along for the ride with it.

    And above all:

    7) Never, ever, ever, ever, try to "see the game out" and play for the tie on the road, no matter what is happening on the field. Build a culture of winning, an attitude that the team should never, ever accept getting outplayed. If they are getting outplayed at any single moment, they should believe that they are going to turn it around the very next moment, and if they are still getting outplayed at the very next moment, try again at the very next moment after that. They should never accept getting outplayed. This should also become part of the Quakes culture / brand.
     
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  17. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Are you saying that Bernardez and Chavez incurred injuries due to poor diet? Dare I ask if you were ever an athlete or nutrition specialist or food chemist? You're going to have to provide at least a little bit of evidence for Quakes' players being out due to dietary issues.
     
  18. KMJvet

    KMJvet BigSoccer Supporter

    May 26, 2001
    Quake Country
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, I'm saying Bernardez and Chavez injuries are preventable. I don't think the muscle strains could be eliminated 100%, but I could lower the injury rate and improve the recovery rate. So I'm saying Shea Salinas would be back a couple of weeks sooner if he ate locally raised grass-fed bone broth for minerals, gelatin and vitaminK2 to promote bone healing instead of eating IHOP pancakes of processed GMO frankenfood and empty calories. It might not be as much fun, but if you want to be back ASAP, it's what you would do. You are what that which you eat ate. It's the difference between being like everyone else or being ahead of the pack. If I were Yallop, this is an advantage I want if I really am looking to win instead of just compete.
    I'm a nutritionist....just not 10 years behind the nutritional science like the Quakes physios and doctors appear to be.
     
  19. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Yes, if Bernadez had not landed awkwardly he would not have injured himself.

    And I thought you were a cat pee researcher??
     
  20. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
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    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    I may not agree with K about what constitutes the ideal nutrition for athletes, but it does seem that most of our guys don't care a lot about nutrition and will eat all kinds of junk. Of course, there's no way that you can prove that any of them would have avoided injury with better diets. But you can look at the injury rate of soccer players who do care about nutrition and see if they tend to stay healthier. DeRo can't be the only one.
     
  21. DotMPP

    DotMPP 'Quakes fan in Stumptown

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jun 29, 2004
    SE Portland, OR
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like how you confirm, indirectly, Corrales should be a youth coach.
     
  22. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    DeRo uses something else to stay healthy ;).
     
  23. KMJvet

    KMJvet BigSoccer Supporter

    May 26, 2001
    Quake Country
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Or if he ate better so that he had stronger ligaments and a better nervous system he wouldn't land as awkwardly or if he didn't it wouldn't be enough to damage the ligaments that much. But hey, I don't expect you or the Quakes to open your minds. It's easier to live in the past under a cloud of ignorance.

    I am a clinician but I did a PhD so I'm trained in research. It was on nutrition and kidney disease. My residency was internal medicine and nutrition. I'm quite expert in comparative nutrition as long we don't venture into exotics.
     
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  24. KMJvet

    KMJvet BigSoccer Supporter

    May 26, 2001
    Quake Country
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    DeRo doesn't eat a lot of processed food. So, that helps him no doubt. But he doesn't eat optimally. And if his team follows his lead and removes some of the frankenfoods from their diets, they'll probably be better off than they are now. But they'll still be suboptimal. I suspect the faults of DeRo's diet will catch up with him. I do think some people are smart enough to do well and thrive on a vegetarian diet for a time. If it works for them and they can thrive, good for them. But since it's suboptimal for our species in a species-wide sense it will catch up with most of them. The reason I think it will with DeRo is that he already looks 10 years older than his chronological age. I guess we'll see.
     
  25. WondoSoWonderful

    May 3, 2012
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I guess that if Salinas ate better, his collarbone wouldn't have got broken from that tackle, right? Its kind ridiculous to pin any of the injuries on nutrition, IMO. Injuries are injuries. They happen. regardless of what you eat. No one can go back and prove that a better diet would prevent an injury.

    Also, calling your fellow quakes fans ignorant doesn't really seem like a good way to get a point across.
     

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