Yanks Abroad Flavors of the Week: 2020/2021

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by OWN(yewu)ED, Feb 15, 2021.

  1. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Finlay and Boyd are slashers. Get into the box to get onto the ends of things. Each makes good off the ball runs. Boyd looks to have the better cross. Finlay likes the cutback. Neither is any type of creative fulcrum of an outside mid. Neither has been able to sustain a high level of seasonal productivity in his career.
     
  2. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada

    Maybe I'm blind here, but it ws interesting to see that he has actually played almost twice as many games as a left wing as a right wing, didn't he play on the right for us? That's my memory, but maybe it's faulty. I see 10 appearances in 2019, 6 as a starter and 4 as a sub. He got the 2 goals, my memory is that he blew one glaring sitter, but I could be wrong. I think the main reason he was kind of in the dog house with us is that he looked worse over time, and then had a year with Beskitas that was definitely one to forget. Nice to see he's bouncing back, however, honestly, there are at least 4, probably 5 wingers ahead of him at this point:
    1.Pulisic
    2.Reyna
    3. Weah
    4. Aaronson
    5. Morris (IR)

    then we've got more guys bubbling up like KDLF, Uly Llanez, Caden Clark, Cade Cowell, even guys like Niko could be used as a winger and there's Arriola as a defensive stopper, and offensive accidental stopper specialist. I just don't know where he fits though I appreciate the depth. Definitely could've used it four years ago, but now, not sure how he pushes his way into relevance unless injury issues get unbelievably bad. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if he's fifth or sixth on the overall winger depth chart with Morris out. He shouldn't be higher than that though.
     
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  3. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    None of the wingers for the US has actually been pulling up trees for club or country. Well, Morris had been. But he's out of the picture. It'd be great to some consistent performances. Club affiliations don't win games, especially on the road in Central America.
     
  4. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    That's a fair assessment. I started my "don't sleep on Tyler" when he was completely off the radar.

    It's good to have depth. And, maybe the uppin comers make him obsolete. But, 5 goals in 5 matches definitely sparks curiosity.

    I couldn't find any clips of these recent goals. Here's a highlight video of his 2019 season. (that missed sitter won't be in there.) Tyler Boyd Skills - Goals and Assists - 2019 Highlight - YouTube The music is nsfw.
     
  5. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    I'm going to disagree. I think Boyd is good at dribbling into the box.
     
  6. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I didn't comment on either player's dribbling ability.
     
  7. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if a player is better than a national team player but isnt called into the national team, does he exist as a national team player?
     
  8. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The winger pool looks like Weah, Pulisic, Aaronson, Reyna, Mueller, Boyd, Niko, Ebobisse, Konrad, Cowell.

    Half can get NL. The other half can get the GC.
     
  9. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    Total missed the point. The poster I quoted from claimed CCV was better this year than last because his team is currently higher than last year. The poster hasn’t seem him play nor could tell you anything about the player that wasn’t found on a Twitter feed or a podcast.
     
  10. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    #1035 grandinquisitor28, Apr 8, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2021
    they did in u20 World Cup qualifying. I’m not worried about anything other than injuries and Berhalter.And honestly, the funniest part of this is that generally the most experienced sides are the ones that generally got humiliated the most in hex qualifying (summer of ‘01, ‘17 hex cycle) and the less experienced sides that did better ‘97 hex, ‘09 hex, ‘13 hex). ‘05 was the one experienced side that did well.
     
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  11. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    U20 World Cup Qualifying?
     
  12. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    I know what you’re saying. What I’m saying is some of the issues with qualifying include:
    *heat & humidity: check
    *concajoke reffing: check
    *experience local road trip conditions: check

    what it lacks is the game day intensity. That matters, but a lot of what makes going to Honduras or Costa Rica or Panama or Mexico has been experienced already either in the previous cycles, or via U20 and U17 roadies and qualifying tournaments.

    Secondly I’d argue that experience didn’t help the ‘17 side and the ‘09 team won away in Honduras despite lacking experience, scoring the most we ever had and if Donovan hadn’t gotten swine flu maybe we best Mexico in Mexico that cycle. The ‘97 te never having played a road hex game in Costa Rica still produced our best result ever there: a 3-2 loss that was back and forth till the final 15 unlike the usual —- kickings we received in ‘01-‘17.

    I just don’t buy the experienced argument. Our results were worse the more experienced we were w/playing down there. Give me young, hungry, players that are prepared and aren’t playing scared or overconfident. Give me that golden mean.
     
  13. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The only point I'm making is only a couple of the wing players have demonstrated consistency at club or international level. That doesn't mean none of these guys can't succeed. They just haven't shown much in the way of consistent performances.
     
  14. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aaronson has been the best of the bunch in 2021.
     
  15. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    That is interesting. I would say that if the player is eligible, then he is. Who knows, he could be called in next camp. Ignoring eligible players seems like a self-defeating proposition.

    In the end, I think Yueill will be given more chances. I don't expect him to do well, but I hope to be wrong.
     
  16. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1041 xbhaskarx, Apr 9, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2021
    I'm not seeing the Tyler Boyd - Ethan Finlay comparison... to me Finlay seems like he's all speed not much skill, almost like a better (and certainly less injury prone) Josh Gatt.
    Boyd is just not all that good, he's just streaky and when he's on a hot streak scoring goals as he is now that will inevitably lead to "hey what about this guy?" chatter...

    On a totally unrelated note, I assumed Finlay was taller than Boyd, I picture the former as lean and the latter as stocky... Wikipedia says Finlay is 5'9 and Boyd is 6'0 lol

    Edit: after seeing these pics of Boyd dwarfed by Jordan Morris and... Pulisic?? I'm even more confused lol
    https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2019/06/qa-getting-to-know-tyler-boyd
     
  17. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yank Abroad

     
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  18. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
  19. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    FCD homegrown midfielder and former USYNTer David Rodriguez on the bench in Liga MX last night.
    Yes, a kid who was a squad rotation player in the USL Championship last ye
     
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  20. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
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  21. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Listening to the USA Soccer podcast, I learned that Nicholas Gioacchini was born and raised in Kansas City, English is his first language and that he moved around as a kid following his Italian father's pasta selling career.

    He also said his mother is Jamaican so he may have other options.
     
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  22. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Watching Jedi and Fulham against Wolves. Wolves had a goal called back right before half that was onsides even after the VAR thorough breakdown called back. When it is that close.............you have to give the goal. Whats worse is he looked "on" anyways with the line by line analysis going down to the millimeter. That is obscene calling that goal out.

    Fulham look like a premier league team minus a forward, as they have much of the season. They are extremely lucky to be tied right now, Wolves were done hard on that halftime decision.
     
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  23. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Robinson was excellent on both sides of the ball, with multiple key passes and crosses. Fulham look done though after a Traore 90th minute dagger.

    Weah looked dynamic in his 10-15 minutes helping Lille in their victory march against Metz.
     
  24. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    He is no Lovitz and it is clear that Dest should be moved out of his preferred position so Cannon can do whatever he does...

    1380648694626840576 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  25. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    I saw what you did there. I remember when I spent decades thinking Bernard Sumner (of New Order) was singing:

    "Anyone would make you a hot dog too/what do you want me to believe..../"

    in their third single off "Technique" (Run). Alas, I was totally wrong, he was actually singing, "Anyone would think you were hard done too/what do you want me to believe"/

    Problem was, despite a huge fondness for Monty Python, The Young Ones, and Black Adder, I'd never heard the expression "hard done."

    Deciphering lyrics was just way harder before the internet. Grrrr, kids these days.
     
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