Review: XSL Champion this must be a joke more like Extremely Stupid League

Discussion in 'Pro Indoor Soccer' started by cardshopmd, Apr 11, 2009.

  1. cardshopmd

    cardshopmd Member

    Sep 9, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    XSL Champion I just went on Detroit's web site & watched how they found out the were the champions a group of guys sitting in someones house watching the game

    what idiot came up with the idea not to have a playoff the last time I checked this is how you determine a league champion if under 12 can have a playoff game why cant you this is why your league cant attract fans because this league has stupid concept come in first and your the league champion

    Extremely Stupid League
  2. Omar

    Omar Hurrrrr....

    Nov 23, 2007
    Monterrey MEX
    Club Tigres de la UANL
    Nat'l Team:

    This is why 10 year olds should not be using the computer unattended by their parents...
  3. skipper60601

    skipper60601 Member

    Aug 12, 2005
    Hibernian FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't see why it's a "joke" to award the championship to the team with the best record over the course of a 20-game schedule. All three leagues made some bad mistakes and all three did some good things, too. I don't think the XSL's lack of playoffs was a big deal. The "lifestyle brand" concept is a bit much though, in my opinion.

    MOREHEAD Member

    Sep 23, 2008
    i agree. Cardshop most not know anything about euro teams and others they all use this formula.
    Plus lets face it most indoor soccer playoff games are real
    money losers for the teams.
  5. NSL2004

    NSL2004 Member+

    Jul 23, 2002
    But in the US it's superlame.

    I mean if New Jersey beat Detroit in a one-game final it doesn't prove they're a better team, but it gives us Yanks closure and it's familiar and the "way it's done" here.

    Plus it establishes a history and a storyline.

    No playoff system is flawless, but everyone in this country has one.
  6. DC47

    DC47 New Member

    Dec 9, 2008
    I would have preferred a play-off. How about top two teams play first to two wins. Alternate home and away, with the number one team in the regular season having the home advantage.

    But I'm an Ignition fan. No problem at all with how winning the championship played out. I enjoy the game itself, not just the standings.

    One caveat -- they won the final game of the season in a thrilling overtime. Perhaps if they had been blown out the post-game celebration with fans would have feld odd if there were no play-off to follow.
  7. Redknapp11

    Redknapp11 New Member

    Jan 1, 2001
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    No one inside or out of the XSL said the single table non playoff route was their intentions outside of this season.

    This season, as with the NISL and the PASL, was all about this....


    ... from my count it's XSL 1 NISL 0

    NISL had one team fold right off the bat. It's replacement was a team that probably wouldn't of made it out of the PASL 2nd Div.

    XSL, all teams in and standing (for now) and the players were of a higher ilk then the NISL.

    MOREHEAD Member

    Sep 23, 2008
    very true , but for at least one year i can understand
  9. Soccer-Man

    Soccer-Man New Member

    Nov 12, 2005
    Hate to rain on your parade of words, but the NISL just finished the season with a championship game in from of nearly 10,000 fans. The XSL had one, one, one, one crowd over 5,000.

    The NISL's average attendance dwarfs that of the XSL. Am I missing something.

    Look, Milwaukee will be part of the NISL next season. Maybe NJ will follow. Detroit is a very long shot and Chicago will fold.

    By my count, NISL is the victor because the XSL will not exist next season.
  10. Redknapp11

    Redknapp11 New Member

    Jan 1, 2001
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Untill it acutually happens, it's all a dream.

    NISL attendance was worse then the XSL. One team doesn't make a league and now with Philly looking to move into something smaller, Mass being nothing more then a dust cloud, the NISL isn't looking as glamorous as you think it is.

    Bring us some facts and we'll talk. For now your cup, much like Detroits is nothing more then a formality.
  11. GoStorm

    GoStorm Member

    Oct 24, 2008
    you tell him red
    Happy Easter to all!!!!! Give a family member a hug today!!
    and those teams will not just up & leave the XSL
    you may have opinion on that but again - until you have the money to be sitting at the owners table - time will tell not you!!!
    if xsl folds - it folds / if NISL folds it folds
    personally they could merge and be the xslnisl or nixsl or whatever combo you want - I would love to see all these teams playing eachother
    so then maybe just maybe then you could say that the Blast are the North American Champions and you would look for a moment like you knew what you were talking about
  12. NSL2004

    NSL2004 Member+

    Jul 23, 2002

    And for the record I think the XSL will still be around next year and the NISL will still have 5 teams (or 4), but these things tend to shift during flight.
  13. JustKickin

    JustKickin New Member

    Jul 16, 2006
    DC, actually they lost the last game of the year in New Jersey.
  14. GoStorm

    GoStorm Member

    Oct 24, 2008
    also - these guys should put their egos aside and Detroit vs. baltimore should happen - rent an arena somewhere 1/2 way between and let them play - even a small arena who cares
  15. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    My guess would be William McGregor in 1888 (see

    Though in U.S. sports, you could go back to 1876 with the first year of the National League (
  16. GoStorm

    GoStorm Member

    Oct 24, 2008
    boy - forget going to school anymore - just read wikipedia
    nice articles or information - thanks
  17. genpabloescobar

    Feb 17, 2002
    NSL, meet

    Division 1 college football and the Ivy League
  18. genpabloescobar

    Feb 17, 2002
    Lower attendance is OK when it's offset by something called a salary cap.

    OK, Baltimore drew twice as many fans as any XSL much higher was their payroll? It's two different ways to skin a cat. The fact is, without looking at the books, we don't know who is actually doing better. Baltimore may be in worse financial shape if their expenses aren't offset by the extra ticket revenue.

    But I will say...and you heard it here first (maybe)...there will be a team currently in the NISL moving to the XSL next year.

    MOREHEAD Member

    Sep 23, 2008
    I will concur with this i also heard a team from nisl might join xsl.
    but on the same hand i heard 2 teams from the xsl might be thinking about joining nisl. all i can say is time will tell.

    i guess like in baseball. indoor soccers hot stove leagues has begun!!
  20. DC47

    DC47 New Member

    Dec 9, 2008
    Right you are. I should have said that Detroit won their final home game. The title celebration afterwards was probably more uplifting and fitting because it immediately followed a win.
  21. Soccer-Man-Twin

    Soccer-Man-Twin New Member

    Apr 12, 2009
    The foolish NISL may be down to Baltimore and Massachusetts before long, while the superior business model provided by the PASL-Pro will generate 10-12 US teams next year.

  22. GoStorm

    GoStorm Member

    Oct 24, 2008
    just a food for thought and again I am not a businessman nor a team owner and I am sure there are loop holes in all contracts but I believe that the xsl teams signed a 5 year contract
    Now for you nay sayers that say the xsl is folding - ok - but what if they do return - do they want to break a contract that may cost them money?
    Now for soccerman - I know your response so an answer from you is someting we/I do not want to read so don't bother because I can already sense what you would say so there is no reason for you to post it - get it??!!
    So without NISL negativity and NISL is better and worth the loss yadayadayada - would these teams really leave a league that they are vested in?? That would seem like a bad business move. Would you trade in a car 1 year after buying it with a 5 year loan on it just because you changed your mind?
  23. DC47

    DC47 New Member

    Dec 9, 2008
    What is the PASL business model?
  24. NSL2004

    NSL2004 Member+

    Jul 23, 2002
    Supposedly if you leave the XSL you lose your $2 million security deposit. If the league folded I don't know if they would lose anything or not. It's a good question, though.

    The PASL-Pro business plan is low-cost, high-scoring arena (indoor) soccer.

    Our rules promote high-scoring, single-point games. If the NISL had our no slide-tackling rule there probably would have been another 8 goals last night. There were about 20 slide tackles in the game. That would have meant a lot more power plays or defenders would have stayed on their feet switching the advantage to the offense.

    --We have created FIFRA to oversee the growth of INDOOR soccer.
    --We started a national INDOOR team that has played in 2 international tournaments and a third one is coming up in July.
    --We started a Copa America tournament that involved Monterrey from the NISL.
    --We started a US Arena Open tournament.
    --We have a 51 team minor league feeder system and every Pro team has at least one amateur affiliate.

    That's what we're doing. I can't help myself, but I'd like to ask Soccer-Man again what the plan is for the NISL because all he could profer was "cooperation between owners" which is expected anywhere. He remains stumped on providing any kind of business plan for the NISL.
  25. genpabloescobar

    Feb 17, 2002
    You are correct, though contracts are made to be broken.

    But I do believe each team made a five year commitment. Meaning the jumping to the NISL, while possible, would not make financial sense. They'd probably have to pay a massive penalty to move to a league with no salary cap and an average attendance that's higher than they've been averaging (Milwaukee and New Jersey) or capable of based on arena capacity (Detroit).

    So they could move...I just can't figure out why. If the grass is greener on the NISL side, would they not have just joined Hale and the boys in the first place?

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