From the US, Natalie Simon/Meghan Mullen/Kali Smith will be a trio in attendance. But that's not why I'm posting. Check this out: https://inside.fifa.com/technical/r...-be-implemented-at-fifa-u-20-womens-world-cup VS over VAR. VS has no VMOs and involves coach's challenges. Oh boy. I find it somewhat amazing there wasn't significant media cover of this, as the announcement was nearly three weeks ago. But I guess with so much else going on this tournament wouldn't get a lot of attention now. It seems like FIFA is strongly implying this is not a replacement for VAR and rather a more cost-effective method of introducing video review to lower levels of competition. But if the coach's challenge component is noticed and deemed successful, who knows where this could go.
Does the women’s under 20 World Cup get much coverage even outside of euro years? It seems that fifa is using the women’s world cups as trials for stuff. This, and the VAR stadium announcements at the actual WWC last year As for this new VS service, I think it’s a fair middle ground between nothing and full VAR. Although I’m not really sure what the point is of coaches challenges. Why not just use it like regular VAR just with fewer cameras so you might not have every angle to make calls even more accurately. Lower budget so they can’t afford the camera setups, but at least there will be some. Maybe it’s to reduce stoppages or something. Maybe a full trial because this is what FIFA may want VAR to become, just having coaches challenge things instead of delaying every game
The point is that you're not going to have a separate VAR reviewing every play. So if it's not the coaches initiating the review -- who is?
Maybe the FIFA article covered it somewhere, but is there any version of a technician or is the ref trying to figure out what camera to use themselves?
From the 1-2' video, there appears to be at least one "technician" that mans the video recording/playback system. I get that it's a video specialist and not a certified Referee/VAR.... and the coaches challenge is how they're doing it for this trial... But, if it ever becomes mainstream, as CR I think I'd want the option to initiate a video review on my own if I believed our crew missed a KMI, regardless if coaches even noticed the possible error.
Bad idea IMO. That option puts a lot of extra pressure on the R from player protests—especially after a team has used up its allotted challenge(s). And if the R goes once on his own initiative, there will be a lot of pressure to do it again. The limit on challenges means coaches will really only use them for clear and obvious stuff (except in the waning minutes when they may say what the heck) so they have them if there is a real issue later.
I see this as soccer catching up to other sports. Football has the red flag for coaches to challenge twice per game. Basketball coaches and baseball managers have it as well. Tennis has the hawkeye technology to determine in and out down to the millimeter. I think hockey has something like this but it's mostly referee initiated. I remember seeing the refs in these last playoffs calling a penalty in a harsher form just so they could initiate a review thinking they could always downgrade it after the review process. Soccer now has the opportunity to allow coaches to throw the challenge flag as well. Hopefully the emotion of it doesn't carry over to abuse of the 4O or AR1 that's going to be receiving the challenge card from a coach.
But it’s intended only for lower levels. Where in other sports, it’s only for the higher levels. So not really a “catching up” thing at all. Also I’ve already don’t my rants on this but I can’t believe how reflexively some people think this is a good thing. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for our sport. Square peg and round hole. To the extent this is a way extend technology to competitions that want it, fine. But let’s hope it’s not a path that the elite levels go down.
We will get to see this further expanded in college soccer this year to get some sense of how the self-initiated reviews may work
It has to be trialed at the lower levels before being introduced at the highest levels, right? More likely it's going this direction. Coaches will get that control to throw the challenge flag, then refs will have to look at it. More likely than not it will lead to us seeing less VAR interventions from the booth and more challenges from the coaches during a game. I don't know if I agree or disagree with it, but coaches wanted the power to challenge ref decisions in the NFL, MLB, and NBA and the leagues found a way to make it happen.
I mean in theory, yes. But read the article. It's being portrayed as a system that can be implemented where full VAR is not available or feasible. It's for the lower levels by design. Now, "U20 WWC" is probably not a "lower level" for the vast majority of people. But the point is that, one day, this could be in top amateur competitions. Or maybe third division professional. Or top professional in smaller countries. FIFA is trying to create and implement a system that can use technology more universally. But there is no argument thus far from anyone with authority that this would replace VAR with dedicated VMOs. None of this is based in any facts or evidence so not sure how you can assert it's "more likely."