Worst officiating at Spartan yet!

Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by Azmyth, Aug 8, 2002.

  1. Azmyth

    Azmyth New Member

    May 27, 2001
    Bay Area
    Last night's officiating by that shaved monkey in the red shirt was by far the worst I've ever had the displeasure of viewing! Kevin (missed his last name), the head referee is a hack-ref and is unfit to call games for FIFA! Hell, he's not even worthy of calling high school or youth league games!
    The second the game was over, that little turd quickly slipped off the pitch. You could see the fear in his simple little banana lovin' eyes, he knew that he called a terrible game.

    Neither team played great but once again, bad officials seriously affected the outcome of this match. The Quakes are the MLS Champions and we are their loyal fans, we all deserve better than this!

    FOR SHAME!
     
  2. kebzach

    kebzach Member

    Dec 30, 2000
    Greenfield, WI
    riiiiiiiight.

    keep blaming anything but the team, bud.
     
  3. SJEarthquakes

    SJEarthquakes New Member

    Aug 9, 2001
    Boston Area
    Right. Have you ever tried to ref a game? It's not as easy as it seems. You are responsible for what goes on out on the pitch between 22 players, with only two helpers. You don't see everything, oh and then there are the fans who don't know shite about the sport yelling at you. But deep down you know they'd do a worse job than you.
     
  4. Azmyth

    Azmyth New Member

    May 27, 2001
    Bay Area
    -Yes I have at several levels.

    -I do know the game & the rules.

    He was pathetic.
     
  5. PZ

    PZ Member

    Apr 11, 1999
    Michiana
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, the ref was poor...but at least he was consistantly poor both ways. You can't say he effected the outcome of the match though. It was a tough fought battle that could have gone either way despite LA creating the majority of the chances.
     
  6. Bebeto

    Bebeto Member

    Feb 24, 2000
    I'd say the worst officiating at Spartan was by the notorious Richard Heron, at the Clash-DC match sometime in 1998. Clearly favoring the reigning champs, he continuously turned a blind eye on El Diablo & Co., and basically handed them the game.
    He had to use police protection to leave the field, and still got rained on by unidentified fluids as he quickly exited through the ramp.

    Last night's refereeing was pathetic, but still pales in comparison.
     
  7. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure what "banana lovin' eyes" are, but while the ref last night sucked, it wasn't the worst reffing we have seen at Spartan Stadium this season, much less ever.

    You have to learn to treat the refs like a force of nature -- like a hurricane, or a tornado, or an earthquake (no pun intended). You can't predict it or control it, you just have to deal with it. Everything is going along fine, then the ref comes along and ************s everything up, and then you have to pick up the pieces afterwards.

    And if your team is in a position where a bad call from the ref is going to cost you the game, then don't blame the ref, blame your team for not doing more to win the game.

    Last night, the ref did not affect the outcome of the game. The Quakes lost because they failed to hit the back of the net, and they had plenty of opportuntities. The Galaxy won because they hit the back of the net. Simple as that.
     
  8. Quaker

    Quaker Member

    FC Dallas
    Apr 19, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you talking about last night's game? The Quakes had at least as many chances as the Gals.

    By the way, I agree with you regarding the ref, so there is some evidence based on that statement that you actually saw the match...
     
  9. BlueMeanie

    BlueMeanie New Member

    Apr 1, 2002
    EastSIIIIDE
    Well put, Bill. The ref did not miss all the shots and screw up all the set pieces that the Quakes had. They did that themselves. Too easy of a crutch to blame the ref.

    This is an alarming trend, IMHO. No, not bad reffing. Quakes fans blaming the ref EVERY SINGLE freaking time we lose. Even if a ref does suck in a given game, in most cases both teams have to deal with those bad calls evenly.

    Ironically, some of the VIP guests of the team last night were a bunch (at least 25) of young professional referees from Spain, who are training to be the next generation of elite La Liga refs. They were over here as part of an exchange program, while some American refs are training in Spain. Wonder what they thought...
     
  10. KMJvet

    KMJvet Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 26, 2001
    Quake Country
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kevin Terry did not have the worst referring performance we've seen all year, not even close. Actually the game he reffed between us and the Galaxy in LA this year was far, far worse due to the larger size of that field. Personally, I think Terry has the potential to be a decent ref. He actually will call advantage, manages to keep stoppage time, doesn't waste inordinant amounts of time at free kicks, and allows quick restarts when appropriate. And for him, that was a pretty good game because he had the advantage of the small Spartan field.
    But the reason he's on my list in the running for the worst ref of the year (even above Stott) is that he won't run. He's fat and never moves faster than about 3 mph. These are correctable things if you care about going about your job in a professional way. But Terry makes no real effort to stay with the play. So, his bad calls often stem from being too far away to see the play and needing to make a guess based on who's fallen or player reactions. When you guess a lot, you'll be wrong a lot. Unlike the game in LA, no case can be made that he influenced the outcome of the match particularly. The Quakes had their chances and didn't convert and got lackluster performances out of about half squad. None of that absolves Terry from his game-after-game unwillingness to work at keeping up with the run of play. No ref can be in position to make every call, but Kevin Terry doesn't try hard enough IMO to be in position to make most of them.

    -KMJvet
     
  11. living_ded_boy

    living_ded_boy New Member

    May 24, 2001
    Pleasanton, Ca


    Heron's last appearance wasn't very good either. No matter....the ref was the last thing that worried me about last nights match. The ref didn't affect our marksmanship or communication.
     
  12. yalpstel

    yalpstel Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, is that who those guys were? As I watched them circle the stadium with their beers in hand before the game, that song that goes "I'm too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt, so sexy I burp" went through my head a million times. :D

    We need more groups like that at Spartan, a nice change from the teams of 10 year olds running around. I'm not saying the kids are bad, it's just a different beast.

    btw, the thing that bugged me about Terry was the blatant miss-calls. There were at least two throw ins in our favor that were missed and in the first minutes of the game, that hand ball by Landon should have been called. Of course, there's more but who cares at this point...it's over.
     
  13. living_ded_boy

    living_ded_boy New Member

    May 24, 2001
    Pleasanton, Ca

    You know it's gonna be a bad day when two parents escort fifty kids down the stairs and stop at the row right behind you. :(
     
  14. yalpstel

    yalpstel Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh man, I have been guilty of this, BUT our kids are sooooo well disciplined, you'd be intrigued by the running analysis of the game as they sit motionless with their legs crossed sipping tea with their baby fingers extended and the courteous, sportmanship respect the kids have for the surrounding spectators.

    NOT!
     
  15. modpappy

    modpappy New Member

    Jun 15, 2001
    Actually I thought the ref wasn't too bad---yes he made a few misses but there were a lot of times he let advantage happen and he correctly called quite a few undercuts on aerial balls--also his positioning was a factor but in the modern game you have to rely on your assistants too--if anything he suffered because of them, not his own faults...and yes, STOP WHINING--we got beat fair and square, and Conrad was VERY LUCKY not to get tossed early in the game-take the loss like a man (or woman), get over it, we were outplayed, that's all...we were lucky not to be LOSING early in the match because LA is simply horrible at converting corners and long throw-ins--we gave away far too many of both and it should have cost us.
     
  16. living_ded_boy

    living_ded_boy New Member

    May 24, 2001
    Pleasanton, Ca


    I think Conrad was undercut on his yellow.....the Galaxian was bent over and backing up(i'll leave that alone).....worst case was a foul on Conrad but no yellow. I thought the east linesman was bad. Sometimes simple geometry or physics can tell you which way to point the flag.....he was actually blowing it both ways, that or the bad calls vs Galaxy were make-up calls.
     
  17. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the ref was an abomination in the first half, but it was pretty equal for both sides.

    he improved in the 2nd; not as many blatantly missed calls.

    i give credit to both sides for keeping their cool since the ref clearly wasn't taking charge from the start.

    i actually thought ruiz pulled/held agoos on the game-winning play when it first happened, freeing himself from his marker, but i didn't see it on any of the replays so it must have been my imagination.
     
  18. Richter Boy

    Richter Boy New Member

    Mar 1, 2000
    Soulard, STL
    I watched the game on Fox and felt the ref was fine. He missed some calls, but they pretty much evened out.

    The was was OK- the quakes were awful.
     
  19. Naco

    Naco Member

    Aug 5, 2001
    I think that Conrad's yellow may have been for the appalling number of fouls had had commited (he had a few that weren't called). If this is the case, I think his yellow is the right call.

    Sean
     
  20. living_ded_boy

    living_ded_boy New Member

    May 24, 2001
    Pleasanton, Ca


    Ruiz was doing this all night.....he's very crafty at wrapping and pulling Agoos' arm and then using momentum to free himself with the ball. Agoos' IMHO should have dropped him hard real early in the game to set the tone, as it was, Ruiz showed Agoos no respect. That is one thing I notice about Dayak, attackers rarely mix it up with him and are always watching out for him.
     
  21. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The referee had nothing to do with the loss. As others have said, poor finishing and Ruiz were the problems...

    However, Terry didn't have a good game. He should have carded Lalas earlier in the game for shirt pulling to set the tone. He should have carded Conrad earlier for one of his late slide tackles to set the tone. Too little time was added on at the end of the game. He missed when a Quakes player (Conrad?) pulled down a LA player by the arms to the ground (everyone around us where laughing at the no call). Enough...

    Terry has been consistently average to poor. He is past due being sent to minors to never return...
     
  22. modpappy

    modpappy New Member

    Jun 15, 2001
    it would be really interesting to see if in his postgame report that the foul was for persistent infringement--a lot of times that's what the ref puts down in his report, this may very well be one of those cases--if it is, it is absolutely the right call...
     
  23. KMJvet

    KMJvet Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 26, 2001
    Quake Country
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, it wasn't your imagination. Sitting in the North End Zone I had the same issue. It looked like Ruiz did essentially a "clear out" move like you see so often in basketball when players use their arms to scoop players out of the way, clearning space for themselves to turn. So I think that's what Ruiz did. No, it didn't show up at all well on replay, which only goes to show that video isn't the end-all-be-all. My best guess is that it was a foul, but it's the type of foul that's rarely ever called, certainly not by KT, and that Jeff shouldn't have let himself get outmuscled by Ruiz. Afterall, Ruiz is definitely a player who does a lot of pushing, grabbing and bumping and Jeff should know that by reputation.

    -KMJvet
     
  24. living_ded_boy

    living_ded_boy New Member

    May 24, 2001
    Pleasanton, Ca


    Testify Brotha!!! Couldn't have put it better myself! :D
     
  25. ruudboy

    ruudboy New Member

    Jul 6, 2000
    Sunnyvale
    He wasn't that bad, usually i hate all MLS refs, but our blue blacks sucked ass and played at the Galaxatives level, they are a long ball team , and that's how we played yesterday, it's better to say that the Open Cup ain't our bag , baby!
     

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