World Cup 2022 and the Battle between Confederations

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Iranian Monitor, Nov 30, 2021.

  1. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yep. Also, I always assumed that 3 points were awarded for a win to encourage teams to play for the win. But that's not the objective here. If we want to assess how good teams are it makes sense (imo) to use 2 points for a win.

    But looking ahead, what do we do for PK wins? :geek:
     
  2. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    No. I disagree. Teams play and adopt their tactics based on the points that are awarded. They should be judged accordingly.

    As for knock out rounds, however, I think 2p for pk winners and 1p for the draw by pk losers would be appropriate.
     
  3. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    FIFA Points Ranking after MD2 (32 games).
    If 2 points per win and 1 point per draw were given.

    CONMEBOL: 10/4 = 2.5
    UEFA: 31/13 = 2.38
    CAF: 9/5 = 1.8
    AFC: 9/6 = 1.5
    CONCACAF: 5/4 = 1.25
     
  4. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Penalty-kick winners get 1 point each; the result of the match is a draw under the laws of the game!
     
  5. Jon Stakes

    Jon Stakes Member+

    Egypt
    Nov 18, 2022
    Did you eliminate UEFA vs UEFA battles?
     
  6. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    No.

    Total points earned divided by total number of teams.
     
  7. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Here are the standings with 3 points for a win, including UEFA/UEFA matches:

    CONMEBOL: 14/4 = 3.50
    UEFA: 42/13 = 3.19
    Africa: 12/5 = 2.40
    Asia: 13/6 = 2.17
    CONCACAF: 6/4 = 1.50
     
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  8. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    Somebody brought this up before.

    But how can you have a 3.5 and a 3.19 average when you can't get more than 3 points per match.

    Something is really off.
     
  9. Metropolitan

    Metropolitan Member+

    Paris Saint Germain
    France
    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I hope I haven't made any mistake but here's how I calculated it, excluding both games between UEFA countries (France/Denmark and Spain/Germany).

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  10. Metropolitan

    Metropolitan Member+

    Paris Saint Germain
    France
    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I think he divided the total points by the number of teams involved rather than by the number of matches played (including both games opposing UEFA countries).

    It seems to work outside 42/13 = 3.23 rather than 3.19.
     
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  11. Jon Stakes

    Jon Stakes Member+

    Egypt
    Nov 18, 2022
    #686 Jon Stakes, Nov 28, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2022
    3 UEFA vs UEFA in final match day
    4 AFC vs UEFA
    3 CAF vs CONMEBOL
    2 AFC vs CONCACAF
    1 UEFA vs CONCACAF
    1 UEFA vs CONMEBOL
    1 CAF vs UEFA
    1 CAF vs CONCACAF
     
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  12. Viking lord

    Viking lord Member

    Uruguay
    Aug 4, 2022
    Nat'l Team:
    Uruguay
    There's only 1 UEFA vs CONCACAF (Germany vs Costa Rica) and I think you're missing 1 UEFA vs CONMEBOL (Poland vs Argentina)
     
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  13. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yep, which is the correct way of doing it. Otherwise, confeds will end up getting punished for their own success (send more teams to the KO stage ==> more difficult games ==> fewer points per game).
     
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  14. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Something interesting as far as the starting times for UEFA matches. So far, UEFA has done generally better in the evening than in the afternoon in matches played against other confederations.. In the afternoon UEFA teams have been 3-3-3, while at night they've been 7-2-3. (I excluded the two UEFA v. UEFA matches). In fact the only two evening losses for UEFA have been against Brazil.

    UEFA in afternoon matches (12pm or 4pm start times):

    1. England-Iran (W)
    2. Denmark-Tunisia (D)
    3. Germany-Japan (L)
    4. Croatia-Morocco (D)
    5. Switzerland-Cameroon (W)
    6. Wales-Iran (L)
    7. Poland-Saudi Arabia (W)
    8. Belgium-Morocco (L)
    9. Serbia-Cameroon (D)

    UEFA in evening matches (7pm or 10pm start times):

    1. Netherlands-Senegal (W)
    2. Wales-USA (D)
    3. Poland-Mexico (D)
    4. France-Australia (W)
    5. Spain-Costa Rica (W)
    6. Belgium-Canada (W)
    7. Portugal-Ghana (W)
    8. Serbia-Brazil (L)
    9. Netherlands-Ecuador (D)
    10. England-USA (D)
    11. Croatia-Canada (W)
    12. Switzerland-Brazil (L)
    13. Portugal-Uruguay (W)

    Now that the afternoon matches have concluded and we only have evening matches remaining to be played, if this form holds the UEFA teams should do fairly well in the upcoming Matchday 3 matches. We shall see.
     
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  15. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Also interesting if correct ..
    ##

    The Belgian squad sounds like it is totally divided. Eden Hazard apparently had a massive row with Vertonghan and Lukaku had to separate them. Hazard and Trossard also hate each other and Courtois and De Bruyne have never liked each other
     
  16. Jon Stakes

    Jon Stakes Member+

    Egypt
    Nov 18, 2022
    Interesting. But match at 15.00 is afternoon match, not evening. So still half played in afternoon.
     
  17. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    My understanding is that the second matches of the day started at 16:00, not 15:00. Anyway I included those matches in the afternoon column.

    Or are you referring to the early matches starting tomorrow? Those will start at 18:00. Sun has totally set.
     
  18. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Yes, I do it that way, the same as UEFA.

    Thanks for pointing out the calculation error, I will correct it after today's games.
     
  19. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
  20. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Shocking results for Conmebol at this point. If Argentina loses to Poland, it could only see Brazil advancing of all teams.
     
  21. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    Senegal over Ecuador is only CAFs second victory over Conmebol.

    The other being the famous Cameroon win over Argentina.
     
  22. Jon Stakes

    Jon Stakes Member+

    Egypt
    Nov 18, 2022
    Good for you Poland will bottle it.
     
  23. LordofBrewtown

    Wigan Athletic
    United States
    Nov 19, 2018
    Would love to see an update of this if anyone has it handy (otherwise, I'll probably take the time to compile).
     
  24. LordofBrewtown

    Wigan Athletic
    United States
    Nov 19, 2018
    OK, I just went to that updated twitter thread, and after the Group A matches this morning:

    ELO net +/-
    CAF +213
    CONCACAF -28
    CONMEBOL -53
    UEFA -53
    AFC -79
     
  25. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    Yeah because ELO ranks African teams horribly so they will obviously gain a lot of points showing how useless those rankings are.

    I like FIFA rankings much better.
     
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