World Cup 2018

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Jun 9, 2018.

  1. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    In hindsight, I think it should be Hernández over Laxalt. Maybe it's Laxalt's Ronaldinho style run that got to me.

    What's your idea on the XI?
     
  2. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Is there somewhere, info about km. covered by Holland 1974, Brazil 1970 or some classic team?
     
  3. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I'll settle on this in the end

    Team A
    Ospina (Col); Pavard (Fra), Yoshida (Jpn), D.Sanchez (Col), Rodriguez (Swi); Modric (Cro), Pogba (Fra); Mbappe (Fra), E.Hazard (Bel), Inui (Jpn); Cavani (Uru)

    Team B
    Sommer (Swi); Varane (Fra), Mina (Col), Godin (Uru); Trippier (Eng), De Bruyne (Bel), Kante (Fra), Coutinho (Bra), Cheryshev (Rus); Griezmann (Fra); Kane (Eng)

    Team C
    Lloris (Fra); Fernandes (Rus), Alderweireld (Bel), Stones (Eng), Marcelo (Bra); Rakitic (Cro), Brozovic (Cro), Isco (Spa); Musa (Nig), Lozano (Mex); Lukaku (Bel)
     
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  4. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Difficult to conclusively say but I'd have this:

    Courtois as goalkeeper. Had some good games against Japan, Brazil, France and also England (both games). Defenders in front of him not always fantastic. Golden Glove is deserved I think. Made more saves than anyone else and 4.5 saves per goal conceded is very good.

    Right back either Trippier or Vrsaljko. Vrsaljko absolutely crucial for Croatia. One of the main reasons (together with Perisic) why they won against England.

    Undecided about the left back. None of them really impressed me. Hernandez of France finished the tournament with a good impression but was awful against Uruguay (just as Umtiti with iffy interventions and needless give-aways of the ball - they showed that on TV very well I thought).

    Was tilting for Varane as a lock but the final didn't convince me and looking at twitter I wasn't the only one. Varane, Mina, Granqvist, Godin, Thiago Silva are all proper candidates (Mina without the goals is maybe surpassed by Davinson). Maybe also Lovren, as odd as that might sound.

    Modric is maybe a bit overhyped lately, but still a lock. PDG1978 his comparison with Iniesta is an interesting one and not that far off. Certainly not one to ignore. The Golden Ball thing was decided by a five men jury and it seems that Van Basten was strongly in favor of giving the award to him. He said: "He’s reading the game, he’s guiding how the game progresses, he’s guiding his team and I think having a player like him in a team brings you far". Parreira apparently wanted, it is said, to give the Golden Ball to Griezmann. Oddly, kicker rated Rakitic higher.

    Kante dissapointed a bit in the final, Croatia was also targeting him, but was quite possibly still France's best player. I paid close attention and focus on whether and how France improved after he was off, and imho the answer is 'no'.

    Still favor Coutinho as the third midfielder, but can also see case for Pogba. Is someone to divide the opinions. See here and here.

    For the attack I go with Mbappe, Hazard and Lukaku/Mandzukic. If you add it all up then secretly Mandzukic played a consistent tournament... Harry Kane very lucky, though he was (very) good for one half against Colombia.
     
  5. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #130 PuckVanHeel, Jul 16, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2018
    Saw this after I typed my attempt, but this is done pretty well and I agree with most of the argumentation and reasoning

    https://www.tussendelinies.nl/het-tussen-de-linies-wk-elftal

    Only difference with my team is that they take one defender out (the left-back...) and get Neymar in.

    Agree with kicker that Serbia and Mexico were Neymar his two best matches
    http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/intligen/frankreich/63918/nationalspieler_neymar.html
     
  6. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Kante had a bad stomach bug before and during the match ..
     
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  7. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    That lot mirrors my theory on the problems for England ;)

    Whilst we don't have one single world class player we do have around 30 good standard players which basically gives us THREE decent ( not good ) evenly matched teams. :(
     
  8. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Zagreb
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
  9. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    #134 annoyedbyneedoflogin, Jul 16, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2018
    I see your angle and like the added reasoning.

    Courtois had some unparalleled stretches. With an extra save against Japan or France he would really have stepped up when it was needed.
    Akinfeev did just that.

    The same reasoning for Fernandes, Mina, Umtiti and even Hernández, who was there against Brazil.

    Modric vs Rakitic
    Allstar teams don't need to have a true 6 but there was one (Ndidi) that pretty much topped it for interceptions, tackles and headers all together.

    Captain Modric brought a lot of movement and showed good fighting spirit in that regard, with a decisive performance vs Russia.

    Rakitic did not have as many touches but turned many into silver, only having his teammates to blame for not turning them into gold. Oddly enough, the stats on Whoscored don't reflect this.

    In the final Rakitic launched Perisic a great many times. When Modric finally let Rakitic take some setpieces, practically all of them were silver. This inefficiency I discredit the Captain, in a similar way that I discredit Messi, Sampaoli's puppeteer. A good captain should have the best players doing what they do best.

    Coutinho reached a high level, similar to Courtois and Lukaku. He could have helped more against Belgium but I really understand your reasoning.

    You seem quite forgiving regarding Mandzukic's and perhaps others' fatal mistakes.

    I suppose that where I see football as a game of making the least mistakes. You see it as a game of creation, a more attacking-minded approach.
     
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  10. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Thanks mate. Yeah, Mandzukic was a bit clumsy and wasteful in some games, but worked hard and has been productive throughout the whole tournament. Two assists vs Nigeria ('assisting' the own goal and won penalty), goal against Denmark, assist against Russia, goal against England, goal against France. Didn't play a single 'great' game but did important things in the KO stages, and was helpful for the guys playing behind him I think.
     
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  11. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    Team of the tournament as selected by "Süddeutsche Zeitung", Germany's biggest quality newspaper:

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  12. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
  13. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    This is the team selected by "Kicker":

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  14. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Zagreb
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Kane and Griezmann,... uggh
     
  15. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    How on earth did Harry Kane get selected ??

    He was arguably the weakest link in the England team for the last month ..
     
  16. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    That’s clearly nonsense. He scored critical goals against Tunisia in a game that was crucial, then was outstanding in the game against Colombia. In a tournament short of great centre forwards, he had to be in the conversation.
     
  17. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014

    Didn't he score 4 penalties and fluke off his backside (heel ) ...
    He also missed some fairly easy chances ... one in particular would have put us 2:0 against Croatia and a different game ...
     
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  18. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    3 penalties, one of which in particular was absolutely clutch after waiting 3 minutes as Colombia scuffed up the penalty spot. He missed one “easy” chance against Croatia. That’s it. Meanwhile he led the line, held the ball up well and dropped deep when necessary to link up play.

    He wasn’t at his very best but he was a real threat and did plenty to merit consideration.
     
  19. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Is this genuine? If so it's bonkers.

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  20. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Zagreb
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    hahah all these squads are so funny... Courtois golden glove but Lloris in official team of the tournament.. Paulinho there as well, while being one of 2 reasons why Brazil were eliminated....
     
  21. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    It looks like the team might be a hoax (just judging by a few internet search results saying it's not genuine).

    This is the real BBC Player rater XI though (of course, just as with Kicker ratings compared to the Kicker Team of the Tournament Gregoriak posted, website users would very likely end up making a different selection if using post-tournament votes rather than in-game ratings they voted for)
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  22. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Indeed on closer inspection I see the XI selected via the team selector method, post-tournament, is this
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    Obviously Pavard didn't play at left-back for example, but I guess he and Trippier both had enough votes to be considered legitimately in the XI!
     
  23. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Does Mina get in to some of these teams because of his goals? I thought Sanchez was the better defender of the two, and made at least two certain goal saving tackles.
    Likewise Granqvist.
     
  24. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    So you prefer 2 saves over 3 goals...
     
  25. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Has anyone the full list with average grades by France Football and L'Equipe?

    Can only see the ideal team (plus some bench players) + average grade.
     

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