In lots of the threads where we discuss the performances of the greats of the past we see references to ratings given by magazines and newspapers. This thread is for members to provide their own ratings (out of 10) as well as any they see given by various media outlets. I don't want this thread to turn into a battle ground over Messi, Ronaldo or any other player. If you try and take this thread into that territory, I'll delete it. I'm happy for some discussion over the ratings but I want it kept on topic so we can refer back to this potentially in future. Feel free to rate all or just some of the matches.. My own key for ratings (use what you please) but just for information (I know different countries have markedly differerent rating systems), it would be great if we could keep something consistent. 1 - Unbelievably awful 2 - Terrible 3 - Dire 4 - Poor 5 - Weak 6 - Average/Fair 7 - Good 8 - Very good 9 -Excellent 10 - Phenomenal I wouldn't expect to give anything below 4 except in exceptional circumstances. Equally, if someone gets a 10 here I think it would be remarkable.
I've always found 1 - 10 to be problematic as it introduces too much variance. Some people will never even consider using 1 - 3 and you also have skewed ratings based on where people deem 'average' to be. I personally prefer 1 - 7 as it gives you a midpoint of 4 for the default start of the match average and three steps above/below based on performance. Regardless if you are using 1 - 10 then you need to define what number the default start of the match average should be in order to maintain some level of consistency to make comparisons worthwhile.
Nice idea, Comme Can we use this thread also for resuming goals, assists and other interesting stats?
I would use either the main one on the World Cup or feel free to create another one for that. I'd keep this just to ratings etc.
First game: Brazil vs Croatia Neymar 8, Oscar 7.5 , Olic 7 (worst one: Hulk 5 ) oufff actually the REF scored 4
I deferred to your rating key: 5 Julio César 4 Dani Alves 5 Marcelo 6 Luiz Gustavo 6 Thiago Silva 5 David Luiz 7 Oscar 4 Paulinho (5 Hernanes) 5 Fred 7 Neymar (6 Ramires) 4 Hulk (5 Bernard) 2 Pletikosa 6 Srna 5 Vrsaljko 5 Rakitic 6 Corluka 6 Lovren 5 Perisic 7 Modric 4 Jelavic (4 Rebic ) 4 Kovacic (5 Brozovic) 7 Olic
César [6]; Alves [5] - Luiz [6] - Silva [6.5] - Marcelo [5.5]; Gustavo [6.5] - Paulinho [6] - Oscar [7.5]; Hulk [5] - Neymar [7] - Fred [5] --- Pletikosa [4.5]; Srna [5.5] - Lovren [5] - Corluka [6] - Vrsaljko [5.5]; Rakitic [5.5] - Modric [6.5] - Kovacic [5.5]; Perisic [6] - Olic [6.5] - Jelavic [6]
I agree the best for Brazil was Oscar. Then Neymar and then the rest. For Croatia Kovacic was the worst and Modric the best for me. Olic started very well but lost strength, even gave away the ball once or twice in silly manner that caused Brazil to bring danger to the Croatian box. If I had to rate them I would perhaps do it like this: Julio Cesar 6 Dani Alves 5 David Luiz 6 Thiago Silva 6 Marcelo 5 Luiz Gustavo 6 Paulinho 5 Oscar 8 Neymar 7 Hulk 5 Fred 4 Pletikosa 3 Srna 5 Vrsaljko 5 Corluka 5 Lovren 5 Rakitic 5 Perisic 4 Modric 7 Jelavic 4 Kovacic 3 Olic 6
Neymar: 7 out of 10; very good in the first half, but completely average in the second half, which brings his first half display down to a 7 rating. Oscar: 7 out of 10; was more consistent than Neymar in that he wasn't completely average in the second half, however he never quite produced the moments of class that Neymar produced in the first half, and his goal should not have been allowed due to the obvious foul (which created the circumstance for Oscar to score in the first place) which everybody but the referee saw. Referee: 10 out of 10; a phenomenal performance by the referee, provided a delightful assist for Neymar's second goal, then produced another amazing assist for Oscar's only goal, and to top it all off was also very good defensively, when it seemed as though Croatia had scored a goal to draw the game, the referee produced a miracle save that no ordinary player could've produced.
Mine: Cesar 6, Alves 6, Luiz 7, Silva 6, Marcelo 6, Gustavo 7, Paulinho 5, Hulk 5, Oscar 8, Neymar 8, Fred 4 Pletikosa 5, Srna 6, Corluka 6, Lovren 6, Vrsaljko 7, Modric 8, Rakitic 8, Perisic 6, Kocacic 5, Olic 6, Jelavic 6
Brazil x Croatia J. César 6.5, Alves 4, Thiago Silva 6, David Luiz 6.5, Marcelo 6, Luiz Gustavo 6.5, Paulinho 5, Oscar 7.5, Hulk 6, Neymar 7, Fred 5 Pletikosa 5, Srna 6, Corluka 6, Lovren 6, Vrsaljko 6, Modric 7, Rakitic 6.5, Perisic 6, Kovacic 6, Olic 6,5, Jelavic 6
Of the subs, Bernard (7) showed some flashes, Hernanes (6) had a nice run, the rest didn't have a chance to influence it.
In no way trying to suck up to anyone but I'd be fairly close to agreeing with the above. For 25mins I thought Olic was the best player on the pitch. Trouble is I think he did as well and he started trying to be a bit too clever and lost some of his effectiveness. Oscar just shaded Neymar for me with Luiz standing out in defence but I thought that Perisic was Croatia's best performer overall on the day.
I thought Olic was showing some really nice stuff and then he did that double dragback to Neymar which almost proved extremely costly. Perisic was an interesting one. Thought he was quite peripheral but when he did get involved he did very well. I know that Michael Cox was impressed with him per twitter as well. I thought Oscar started really slowly and then was excellent after that. Really good performance.
I'd disagree with Luiz being the "standout" of that defence. Most of Croatia's play funneled into the wings, often the left one, taking advantage of the attacking nature of the fullbacks. Silva repeatedly had to play out wide to mark the wide player, whereas Gustavo and Luiz would try to mark the players in the box. Marcelo's own goal truly was a disaster; Luiz and Marcelo were both culpable for that. Absolutely no way should they have allowed Jelavic to get his foot on the ball -- if I recall correctly, he was the only Croat in the box. Silva had to do more "dirty work" in terms of defending wide in my opinion -- Luiz did as well, just not as often -- and Silva's distribution, especially his long-range passing was very good. They both made important interventions and apart from in the early stages when Silva was beaten near the half-line, he was outstanding.
3 Casillas 4 Azpilicueta 4 Alba 5 Alonso (6 Pedro) 4 Piqué 4 Ramos 6 Silva (5 Fábregas) 5 Busquets 4 Diego Costa (3 Torres) 5 Xavi 6 Iniesta 6 Cillessen 5 Janmaat 7 Blind 6 Martins Indi 6 Vlaar 6 de Vrij (6 Veltman) 6 de Guzmán (6 Wijnaldum) 6 de Jong 5 Sneijder 8 van Persie (6 Lens) 8 Robben
Cameroon - Mexico Cameroon: Itandje 5, Djeugoue 5, Nkoulou 6, Chedjou 5, Assou-Ekotto 7, Song 5, Mbia 6, Enoh 6, Moukandjo 5, Eto'o 6, Choupo-Moting 7 Mexico: Ochoa 6, Aguilar 6, Rodriguez 7, Marquez 7, Moreno 6, Layun 6, Herrera 7, Vazquez 7, Guardado 6, Dos Santos 8, Peralta 7 I watched this one in a pub with some reggae music blaring in the background so would be far from particularly confident about those.
Holland - Spain Holland: Cillesen 7, Janmaat 6, Vlaar 8, De Vrij 6, Martins Indi 7, Blind 8, De Jong 7, De Guzman 5, Sneijder 7, Robben 9, Van Persie 9 Spain: Casillas 4, Azpilicueta 5, Ramos 4, Pique 4, Alba 5, Busquets 4, Alonso 5, Xavi 5, Silva 5, Iniesta 5, Costa 6
Australia-Chile Australia: Ryan 5, Franjic 6, Wilkinson 6, Spiranovic 6, Davidson 7, Jedinak 7, Milligan 6, Leckie 7, Bresciano 6, Oar 5, Cahill 8 Chile: Bravo 6, Isla 7, Medel 6, Jara 6, Mena 6, Aranguiz 6, Diaz 6, Vidal 5, Sanchez 8, Valdivia 7, Vargas 6
SPain vs Netherland: Best: Robben 8.5 (2 wordclass 1 vs 1 a la Ronaldo), Van Persie 8 (worldclass header since Borghetti 2002) , Xavi = Iniesta 7 Worst: Pique = Cassilas 4 and Ramos 4.5 England vs Italy: Best: Pirlo 8.5 (master in MF ), Strurridge 8 , Balotelli 7, Marsichio 7, Wellbeck 7 Worst: Paletta 4, Cahill = Baines =4.5 ======================================== So far only Robben and Pirlo scored the highest (for me) of 8.5 Others very good are Neymar, Van Persie Sturridge Oscar J Campbel ... = 8 Note: if Robben's performance was a WC SF or Final game: I'd give him 9 or 9.5
Nice idea comme. Without feeling able to score everyone in every match (some matches I could perhaps have attempted, some I wasn't quite attentive enough and I haven't seen much at all of Ivory Coast vs Japan or Chile vs Australia) I think I would score these twenty players a possible 7 or 8 (not only these probably even from the games I saw enough of - and some Colombians too most likely including Rodriguez and some from the games I didn't see in full possibly - Honda's goal was really good btw): At least 8/10 - Robben (possibly 8.5 if giving half marks and depending on the standard decided upon) Around 7.5/10 (7 or 8 if giving full marks) - Blind, Pirlo, Sterling, Pjanic At least 7/10 - Oscar, Neymar, Van Persie, Campbell, Pogba At least 6.5/10 (probably a 7 if giving full marks in most cases) - Modric, Iniesta, Sneijder, Candreva, Marchisio, Verratti, Varane, Benzema, Valbuena, Griezmann.
England - Italy England: Hart 5, Johnson 6, Jagielka 7, Cahill 5, Baines 4, Henderson 6, Gerrard 5, Welbeck 7, Sterling 8, Rooney 4, Sturridge 7 Italy: Sirigu 7, Darmian 8, Paletta 5, Barzagli 6, Chiellini 6, Candreva 8, De Rossi 7, Pirlo 8, Verratti 6, Marchisio 6, Balotelli 7