Wishy-washy Liberals set to tear Church of England in two.

If the Liberals destroy the Church of England as they look set to with the "women bishops" thing, just as the segregational multiculturalists have caused rot in the secular parts of society.. I'm curious as to what the High Church Anglo-Catholics who are threatening to leave will actually do?

Rejoin Rome? create a new form of Protestantism which is indepedent of the Church of Liberalis.. England? Where would this place the Church of England in terms of a being regarded as a "British institution"... surely it puts the politically Conservative Anglicans in a very strange position. It puts a country which is tiring of the left in a strange position also.

Who knew such a seeminly minute minority like feminists could actually cause such anarchy? Trust the libs to pull this stunt just as Europe is standing in a world where Islam is radicalising.. and rapidly growing.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4245539.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2262012/Church-of-England-to-debate-women-bishops.html
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=28491

 

You're ignoring the entire laity and their stances on the issue; "traditionalists" make up at least half and at most 2/3rds of the Church of England's membership. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7481349.stm Its 10% of the CLERGY, the people who essentially have a job on the line, that the statistic in the reports references. Who do you suppose the clergy that stays will be preaching their Liberalism to?

By bowing down to non permanent, and of the moment trends such as liberalism at the cost of the doctrine, the Church of England has essentially ostracized at least 13 million of its own members. When the trend has passed how are they expected to win back the trust and support of these millions of people?

I take it you've never heard of the Apostles.

 

Cool ranch or Nacho cheese?

 

You're certainly right. The definition of religion isn't a "democracy". Since the sacred scripture is the word of God himself. Should institutions which claim to be Christian ignore the sacred scripture, which makes up the doctrines of the religion in the first place to "fit" of the moment trends like Liberalism, then it ceases to be "Christianity".

And thus the reason why there are many, many traditionalists within the organisation in the first place and why the largest portion of the people who make up the Church of England look set to leave it due to the organisation adopting non-Christian beliefs to appease feminists and homosexuals.

 

Britain is still a majority Christian country, around 71.6% give enough of a shit to be openly Christian. Only 15% actually full on admit to having no religion in official surverys.

What happens to the Church of England is important from a cultural perspective because it alters the entire concept of what "English" allegedly is. If England is suddenly majority Catholic over night, including the conservative institution, while the Queen is left as head of a crumbling organisation made up of a rabble of anything goes Feminists and Homosexuals, then that is huge culturally.

After all it is the conservatives who are most adamant about keeping this country a monarchy, if it was up to the liberals it would probably be a republic, under the leadership of Dale Winton with Wham's "Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go" as national anthem. So I can't imagine she'd want to stay as head of "that". Also it would completely alter cultural comparisons in the region with Ireland as "England" would suddenly be closer to them religiously than "Scotland".

The reason for the Anglo-Catholics and Atho-Libs split within the Church of England is not a matter of "bigotry against women" at all, if anything it is bigotry on the part of the liberals who are trying to "secularise" Christianity. Are football, boxing and rugby "bigots" sports just because women and men don't play in the same matches and there isn't even such a thing as a females managing men in them?

Personally as a "Roman" Catholic with British citizenship, I'd obviously like it to return to Catholicism, but this way is just a complete mess fracturing Christianity into an even more complicated situation on this island.

 

It seems like a double standard to claim that. How is that not a prejudice statement against women's capabilities? If a religion suggested what you've just said in regards to sports, the liberal mafia would be out with little banners proclaiming that Christianity is a doctrine of hatred. A woman could, conceivably become a football manager for a male football team. Though in the modern day fans would surely greet it with a sexist reaction. But absoutely nobody is up in arms because Sir Alex Ferguson isn't female or because Fabio Capello isn't a homosexual. Keep in mind the exemption of women from male sports is based on an assertion that women are inferior and "couldn't handle it".

And yes, the reason that just men are bishops in Orthodox, Catholic and until now Anglican strains of Christianity is in recoginition of the fact that God (Christ) specifically chose only male Apostles. Lets not overlook the fact that its not only men who oppose women becoming bishops, there are millions of female Anglicans who oppose it too and will be leaving because of it, since its an issue of scripture not anti-women. If Christianity was as "bigoted" as some secularists claim then there would be NO female saints and how can the importance and the respect given to the Virgin Mary be ignored? It could be argued that liberalism is anti-woman, because it promotes militant homosexuality as unabashed heterosexually is begining to become politically incorrect.

 

I think Sam wants my attention, but hes too boring and isn't really entering the subject at hand so I'll leave him to continue licking the window.

Incorrect. Using one case to exemplify that women want to but are discriminated against. Maribel Domiguez a highly skilled Mexican footballer wanted to play for a men's club in Mexico. But FIFA, the world governing body and official deciders of the games stances, who by the way are not tied by any holy doctrine, dictated that she couldn't based on the fact that she was born with a vagina. They then proceded to ban all women from participating in anything other than segregated sex leagues.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4110845.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/americas/4110027.stm
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/1-8-2005-63906.asp

I thought secularist stood for liberty and equality? Or is it only when it suits the secularist. For example, according to those who do not have any passion for religion, Christians MUST go against their scripture and have gay and female Bishops. While elements of secular life, not bound by any sort of sacred scripture such as sports, can freely pick and choose when they want to give equality to the sexes or even on the basis of sexuality.

Hypocrite is the word. You want women to be equal, as long as its not in the things which you personally have an interest in and want to uphold the traditional stances of.

You don't believe that of the 14 million traditionalists in the Church of England that some are female? Well I can think of one example for a start; the Community of St. Mary the Virgin. An all female Anglo-Catholic organisation relating to the CoE.

Nope. The official and most authorative statistics from the latest, all inclusive Census of the United Kingdom's entire population, provided the following results on the subject of religion.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=8301

Christian: 71.75%
No Religion: 14.81%

 

You do realise, FIFA, not Mexico decides don't you? And you do realise the United Kingdom is too covered by FIFA's same segregational, sexist, unequal rules which you apparently have no problem at all with? This coverage includes the team which you personally support. Despite holding a view that religious institutions should secularise and conform to liberalism, so not to offend some feminists.

I proved earlier that at least half of the Church of England's members are traditionalist Anglo-Catholics. Out of 14 million people I have a hard time believing that these are all guys and that females do not account for at least 1/14th of that. Especially as Church is very community and family orientated where families, husband and wife attend the same services. Note that Anglo-Catholics are more likely to attend High Church services with priests belonging to the SSC society than Low Church services.

The link which you provided is a mere survery from 2006 and not a genuine all inclusive Census. Neither you, nor I or anybody you or I know took part in the survey. But we were all asked for the 2001 Census and we'll all be asked for the next one in 2011 (I believe it is then). Thus based on the fact that it covers everybody, the Census is the most reliable. Though it will be interesting to see how the mass immigration of the strongly Christian Polish will effect the stats.