Why the path to victory for Republicans is aLOT more complicated than "appeal to Latinos"

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  1. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    Maybe it is just that New Mexico has always gotta be different, but constipated border policy and unlimited support for LE do not seem like winning ideas here...

    The gun control, now that won't be popular.

    But the Mexicans crossing over to make a little money pretty much always go back, and they have cousins and aunts and uncles here and no one seems to want their lives made more difficult. And every time the Albuquerque PD shoots somebody-- which they do all the time-- it turns out to be nephew or cousin or HS teammate or army buddy to about a quarter of the state, and not a scary crim'nal but another victim of authority's overreach...

    Even if they were cooking meth and robbing gassos, well, times are hard, and a young man has to do the best he can. He was a good boy, he was paying his parents' mortgage.
     
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  2. dapip

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    Killing them softly with their policies:

     
  3. superdave

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    We don’t have time for that plan to come to fruition.
     
  4. argentine soccer fan

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    Last I checked, the death rate for humans everywhere is still 100 percent. But maybe I should recalculate my math, just in case.
     
  5. dapip

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    It was working but they wised up and started cheating.
     
  6. Dr. Wankler

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    how large was the sample in your study?
     
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  7. Chesco United

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    Republicans have made inroads into the Rio Grande Valley in Texas.
     
  8. taosjohn

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    Where there's what, 250 voters?
     
  9. Chesco United

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    A lot more than that. They're critical to Democratic victory in Texas.
     
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  10. ceezmad

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    An article on how Republicans have improved with Latinos and some of the limitations they have to keep making those improvements.


    Are Latinos Really Realigning Toward Republicans?

    Tidy narratives about changing electoral outcomes often miss key data points.




    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ass-latino-voters-political-alignment/670593/
     
  11. ceezmad

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    So far Florida Latinos seems to continue to be the different kind of Latino.

     
  12. ceezmad

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    Not about Latinos, but there is no "appeal to Asians" thread.






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    Paywall?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/06/briefing/asian-americans-conservative-republican.html
     
  13. superdave

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    Whatever happened, happened between 2016 and 2020.

    Not sure of the value of listing 2022 but none of the other off years.
     
  14. charlie15

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    Good analysis by Walter Shapiro.


    No Need for Biden to Rush Re-Election Announcement

    Walter Shapiro: “Neither Clinton (who merely sent a letter to the Federal Election Commission) nor Obama (who released a video) gained any political points from the lackluster kickoffs of their reelection campaigns. There is no legal obligation to jump in so early: Ronald Reagan waited until late January 1984 to ask the voters in a five-minute Oval Office speech (paid for by his reelection campaign) for ‘your continued support and cooperation in completing what we began three years ago.’”
    “It would be one thing if there were serious doubts about Biden’s intentions. Whatever the political wisdom of Biden pushing the boundaries of the appropriate age to be president, most Democrats accept it as an inevitability…”
    “The strongest argument for Biden’s reelection is his competence and comfort level in the White House. The longer that Biden delays making his 2024 plans official, the longer he can continue to serve as president without every event being seen only through the narrow prism of reelection. Being free of political demands also allows Biden to revel in foreign travel, which underscores both his energy and his resolute support of Ukraine.”
     
  15. EvanJ

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    I am guessing that the first primary debates for 1984 happened closer to the election than this year when Republican debates start in August, which is over fourteen months before the general election. I am not saying Biden has to care about Republican debates. I am using the timing to claim that it is necessary to declare earlier than it used to be. In addition to calling and mailing people, candidates and groups can now e-mail and text, which were not possible in 1984, to ask for donations. I am not saying Biden has to declare now, but if he chooses not to run, he should say so in the first half of the year. If he chooses to run, I think he should declare by the third quarter.
     
  16. soccernutter

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    Biden is running, no question. If he were not, I'm quite certain he would have said so.
    Beyond that, I believe there are fund raising requirements that become enacted when a candidate declares, which can be a hinderance. Thus, another advantage to the sitting President.
     
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  17. ceezmad

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    Mexican/ Mexican-American Nazis are having their time in the light.


     
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  18. dapip

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    When I was a yoot back in Colombia, there were skinhead gangs that would spend their weekends brawling and beating, mostly homeless people, while sporting swastikas and doing the nazi salute. Their nickname was "Morenazis" (moreno=dark skinned), mocking their lack of self-awareness.

    I guess that applies here.
     
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  19. song219

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    Brownshirts. Brownskins. It can be all so confusing.
     
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  20. dapip

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    Seems like the appropriate thread:

     
  21. ceezmad

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    The economist review of 2 books that analyze why democrats are losing some support from non-whites. One by 2 democrats and another one by a republican.




    https://www.economist.com/culture/2...te-voters-are-abandoning-the-democratic-party
     
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  22. ceezmad

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    2 Latino polling stories.

    More Latinos feel that the Democratic party better represents them, even if they are not sold on either Biden or Trump.

    https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/latino-...-feel-democratic-party-better-represents-them


    Latino views on Immigration is not that woke.

    Maybe this is why Trump is gaining ground with some Latinos.

    https://www.axios.com/2024/04/11/poll-latino-support-border-wall-deportations-jumps
     
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  23. Pønch

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    I wish that second article described the sample size by country of origin instead of lumping all together, since they take the time to specify that latino is not a monolithic group.

     
  24. Gilbertsson

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    The term Latinos is completely wrong. It creates severe racial antagonism.
    How can you place: Aboriginal Native Americans, Afro-Central-South American and European-Central-South American in one term? Why are Spanish and Portuguese people in USA considered as Hispanic instead of Caucasian? So, Basque from Europe is considered as Hispanic in Chicago, for example.
    As for Europeans, they are named as Irish-Americans, German-Americans, not as Euro-Americans. But, Afro-Americans are not considered as Senegalese-Americans, Burkina Faso-Americans…
     
  25. Smurfquake

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    If you think about it, there's a reason why a lot of Black Americans are not identified by their country or region of origin. When they were brought over as slaves, the slaveowners didn't keep like a pedigree chart of where the slaves came from. "This shipment is from Dakar, so these are Senegalese-Americans." and then when they sold a slave at auction, there was no documentation that said "this one is from Senegal". Their pasts were removed (intentionally) so the descendants of those slaves don't know what part of Africa their ancestors were from.

    Compare with every European immigrant, who generally came here by their own choice, and when they got here, nobody told them, oh, you're not Lithuanian any more, you're American, don't you go around calling yourself Lithuanian. They got to keep their pasts.
     

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