Why not Jay?

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Magikfute, Mar 19, 2009.

  1. Magikfute

    Magikfute Member

    Mar 9, 2001
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's a question for you all that I don't see discussed much: why have we seen so little of Jay DeMerit in a national team shirt? This is a guy with Premier League experience, at some points even captaining the side. He currently starts every game in the center of defense in the Championship, which I consider to be a pretty good league. And, he's 29 years old, right at the peak age for a central defender.

    So why doesn't he get more chances with the US? His resume looks pretty good to me. I realize he's unlikely to beat out either of our current center backs, but he seems to be just as good an option if not better than any of the current backups, and he may even be able to start if Bocanegra were shifted to the left back role he plays for his club.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    He apparently had a great game against Cardiff last night.

    We know that Bob's going to go with the Boca-Gooch combination thru this cycle. Frankly, those two have done a good job. So, really, guys like Jay, Califf, Parkhurst, etc. are competing for the back up roles. I'm sure Jay will get an opportunity this summer to win one of those spots.
     
  3. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jay himself has admitted that he has had terrible luck getting into camps and games for the U.S. Mostly his exclusions have had to do with untimely injuries. Agreed that if he's healthy he should get a fair shot at PT this summer.
     
  4. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

    Aug 14, 2000
    Berkeley
    Club:
    Connecticut
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This.

    Same reason we didn't see a lot of Rico Clark in the run up to WC06. A broken leg tends to limit the amount of minutes you can see in a competitive match.
     
  5. cpwilson80

    cpwilson80 Member+

    Mar 20, 2001
    Boston
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought this would be about Heaps.
     
  6. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    This was discussed a lot in 2007 and in early 2008 when Gooch and Bocanegra were still gelling. Now that both of our incumbents are playing darn well, there's been very little room for DeMerit to get looks even when injuries/cards come into play because he is even behind Califf at this point.

    He is also injured too often which limits his time.

    He does not start every game but he does start most. Back in the fall of 2008, he and Califf rotated turns as the #3 CB on the squad.

    Two words: Danny Califf. Califf is ahead of him in the depth chart (currently #3) and even he barely sees time due to our starters getting the nods every game.
     
  7. giffenbone

    giffenbone Member

    Jan 22, 2006
    Raleigh, NC
    When healthy he starts almost all of Watford's league games.
     
  8. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    Almost all is not every. :cool:
     
  9. fuzzyBunny

    fuzzyBunny Member

    Aug 24, 1999
    Palo Alto CA
    That's not so bad. I thought this would be about Jay Jay Okocha.
     
  10. giffenbone

    giffenbone Member

    Jan 22, 2006
    Raleigh, NC
    You know what he meant, you are just choosing to be nit-picky and literal about it.
     
  11. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    No I didn't. If he means most than my mistake, but if he means all, then that's false.
     
  12. giffenbone

    giffenbone Member

    Jan 22, 2006
    Raleigh, NC
    Hardly anybody starts EVERY game for his or her team. I'm positive he wasn't being literal.
     
  13. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    Then my mistake for taking it that way. Lets continue this thread.
     
  14. Barcasox

    Barcasox Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Club:
    Athletic Club Bilbao
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    jay's cool, but not as cool as Califf. That's why he is behind him in the depth chart.
     
  15. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought Jay Vidovich might be considered as a USA team coach, lol.
     
  16. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Seems to be" -- doesn't actual performance count for more than past achievments on a resume?

    I think the question is "Why Jay". He is past his prime playing, to mixed reports this year, in a good, but not great league. Hardly the stuff of a shoo-in for the USMNT.

    I say go with younger players for the #4 CB spot.
     
  17. Magikfute

    Magikfute Member

    Mar 9, 2001
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the record, I was using a figure of speech of sorts...should have said ALMOST EVERY game ;)
     
  18. Magikfute

    Magikfute Member

    Mar 9, 2001
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So which younger players are head of DeMerit in your mind? Parkhurst? Someone else?

    Also, I think he quote above could easily be said about Califf, but there seems to be a concensus around here (not necesarilly from you, MF), that he is the obvious #3. How is a 29 year old in the Championship clearly a worse option than a 28 year old in Denmark? I think we need to see much more of both of them with the Nats before we can say that.
     
  19. Barcasox

    Barcasox Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Club:
    Athletic Club Bilbao
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    what do you mean why not...he got called in again
     
  20. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    gooch, boca..

    demerit, califf

    spector, parkhurst..

    maybe edu
     
  21. supercooper

    supercooper Red Card

    Jun 23, 2008
    Great question. Truly. But what about as CB depth, but at RB starting?

    Jay could play right back. There is risk in playing an under-sized Cherundolo in 2010, an inexperienced Wynne or an old Hedjuk. Given these options, I think we have to consider alternatives. Demerit and Spector (who I'd give a good shot at LB) should be considered strongly.
     
  22. supercooper

    supercooper Red Card

    Jun 23, 2008
    what in the world are you talking about? Please substantiate.
     
  23. CFCkm7

    CFCkm7 New Member

    Sep 26, 2005
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. The coolness is a big part.
     
  24. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    I know Spector can fill in and play all along the back, but when exactly was the last time he played LB at any level? Thought so.

    And DeMerit at RB? You're joking right?
     
  25. Magikfute

    Magikfute Member

    Mar 9, 2001
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I assume you are joking...I started this thread well before the current rosters were announced.
     

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