why mls is better than other leagues

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  1. kronz21

    kronz21 Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    cleveland
    its intreasting how mls is so into addopting euro tradtions like euro names(which they shouldnt etc and euros dont adopt the salary cap and draft.

    salary cap makes it more exciting because almost every team has a chance to win every year, its so much better than not having a salary cap.

    draft- makes it exciting to see who your team takes etc, i dunno ive always loved the draft. iam watching the nfl draft right now! plus it makes it fair, the worst teams get the first picks in the round. its just awesome!

    i think the american way of having a league is so much better and fair than europe. if we ever adopted the euro way i doubt id like sports as much as i do

    who else agrees?:)
     
  2. Rooney20

    Rooney20 Member+

    Jan 8, 2007
    New York
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Salary Cap is a good thing...but I think it is too low...it should be raised.
     
  3. kronz21

    kronz21 Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    cleveland
    they have the salary cap the way it is for a reason, when fan revenue goes up the salary cap will go up
     
  4. EdG567

    EdG567 Member

    May 10, 2006
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think MLS is very unique becuase of the different flavors it has when it comes to Fan support. Today we saw Toronto FC's fans with a great "european" feel to their support, while you see other teams like Houston and Chivas with a latino taste. Now you see Chicago, Dallas, Kansas City, New York, etc with their different styles. Not many leagues can say that.
     
  5. MarocFAN

    MarocFAN Member

    May 18, 2006
    Morocco/Germany
    I don't know much about the MLS but i know that there is no second devision.
    Isn't it boring when you see every season the same clubs?
     
  6. nutella

    nutella Member

    Nov 11, 2006
    Plateau
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is a second division, just no promotion/relegation system.

    And no really. Its something American sports fans are used too. Plus from now to 2010, the league should be adding a team every few seasons.
     
  7. odsum5387

    odsum5387 Member

    Apr 3, 2007
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not particularly, since American sports have always been that way. There is USL as well, but no promotion/relegation. It probably won't ever work in the US, at least not for many many years. The league is expanding right now anyway, so there are always new teams.
     
  8. CLEATS

    CLEATS New Member

    May 2, 2005
    Well it's not as exciting as having 3 bad teams replaced by 3 different bad teams every year.:rolleyes:
     
  9. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You don't understand just how big the US is. It doesn't matter whether you see teams from the same city every year because they are all far away.

    Plus, you see new players every year and that is the important thing - whether or not they are playing on an existing team or not.
     
  10. HSEUPASSION

    HSEUPASSION New Member

    Apr 16, 2005
    Duck, NC
    The draft is awful, it rewards you for sucking.
     
  11. Parkhead_Faithful

    Parkhead_Faithful New Member

    Dec 19, 2001
    Glasgow,Scotland
    Never understood that about american sport, the shittest team gets first pick of the best and brightest the next year. Firstly I dont get why they should be "rewarded" for being shit in the first place, and I've always wondered if a team not doing well would be inclined at a manager or coaches insistance to be even more shit just to secure such a reward the next season, i mean its not like they can be harmed for being the worst by being relegated or anything, and then the year after they get a possible marketing boost and a potentially very good player, just for being pap.

    Funnily enough whenever ive mentioned this theory to americans when discussing sport they seem somewhat taken aback, as if its never even crossed their minds before that such a thing would be done.

    Maybe im just a cynical bugger.
     
  12. TerpSoccerFan

    TerpSoccerFan New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Rome
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why don't we just hit on every topic that has no resolution... Salary Cap, Draft, Promotion/Relegation, Expansion...

    -Draft: Bad for soccer, majority of player enter league in their 20s, as opposed to soccer elsewhere where they become pros at 14-17. Also, college soccer is not a good support for the league.

    -Promotion/Relegation: Not even going there... Don't see why it matters so much to either side. Go where the money is. 99.9% of Americans don't even know what promotion/relegation is and don't care anyway. Always have to remember, the MLS is not a global league, has to cater to Americans.

    -Salary Cap: Definately need some resolution on the developmental salary thing, but a cap is needed for the next... 10-15 years.

    -Expansion: Need to get to 20 teams, then stop.

    No resolution to any of these issues. The league just needs to keep growing and make its decisions based on where the money is. Regardless of the functional value of any of these ideas, reaching a point where the league actually makes money would allow for much more creative structure.

    League has 8 millions flaws and just enough promise to make people look past it. No matter how much it screws up, there's the giant elephant in the room called a 10 trillion dollar national GDP. There will always be someone who sees a great profit in getting a country so affluent to buy into soccer.
     
  13. Rooney20

    Rooney20 Member+

    Jan 8, 2007
    New York
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Salary Cap goes up = Better Players=Better Soccer=More Fans

    Look how many quality players the DP rule has bought to the MLS this season.

    Promotion/Relegation will make the quality of soccer go up...If u watch the EPL games between teams threatened to be relegated it is fantastic...they are fighting for their lives..Very Entertaining. Pro/Rel will give teams something to play for.
     
  14. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    MLS
    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    The relative IQ of BS decreases every time you post or start a thread. MLS has differences than most other league, which contains pros and cons.
     
  15. TerpSoccerFan

    TerpSoccerFan New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Rome
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    About the values of a draft from posts while I was writing:

    Americans do understand it, but American sports fans tend to have a liking of parity to some extent. All of our sports have some parity-inducing elements. Even baseball has even revenue sharing (plus luxury tax penalties to the highest payrolls), plus a draft. It does allow anyone to sign international players at the highest bid though. Football highly supports parity, basketball in the middle, hockey has a lot of it.

    The American concept is very much about "THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE," as opposed to the Patriots and the Colts. The league is structured for what is best for "THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE." Same for the NBA, NHL, etc.

    There seems to be a much larger concept in America of a guided league, a league building its own product for the general interest of making everyone rich. European soccer leagues are dictated by the big power brokers who are mainly the top few clubs in each league. These leagues benefit the top teams more than anyone else and have absolutely 0 parity.

    No matter who wins in the NFL, everyone wins. They're all getting tens of millions of dollars in profit based on the overall value of the league as crafted by the central office. European soccer leagues have little to no concept of this. They dish out their revenues based on success of each individual team which only further eliminates the parity.

    You can like it or not, but it's just a difference of philosophy. I think the US system has proven to be rather successful. The NFL practically prints money despite being popular on only one continent of this planet and using this supposedly backwards system of a draft.
     
  16. Schwalker

    Schwalker New Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    Gelsenkirchen/Finja
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    You might be on to something..This parity goal would make me and most of my mates confused, for us soccer is about supremacy, tradition and lifestyle...Many of the European clubs got a history longer than many countries and are regarded as carriers of local history in many ways.

    The hardcore fans...Call them Ultras or whatever often acts like militant traditionalist, that´s why you find political groups and/or even extremists among them.
     
  17. jade1mls

    jade1mls Member

    Jul 9, 2006
    Seattle
    The NFL should not be brought into a discussion about real football. Sorry but it had to be said. The draft is likely to go away once MLS youth acadmies have been going for a decade. The trend is away from the 'american way' cause the american way produced a mediocre league that struggled for international wins and credibility.

    This is why comparisions to the NFL are dumb. NFL does not have to compete with other leagues for players both foreign and domestic. College soccer players are not the best up and coming soccer players in the world to choose from.

    NFL = Closed system
    Soccer = Global marketplace

    try and understand that difference.
     
  18. TerpSoccerFan

    TerpSoccerFan New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Rome
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As obtuse as usual, Jade.

    The NFL is an excellent comparison to any league in the world because it is pound-for-pound the most successful and profitable sports league.

    In discussing the merits of parity, who the NFL is competing with is absolutely pointless. My points remain valid about a different philosophy in terms of guiding the league from above vs. a more individual team-centric European model.

    No one said be like the NFL, no one said do anything. I just said that there is a prevailing mindset here vs. what I see abroad. As usual, however, you're quick to be snarky and think you know what the hell you're talking about.

    Aside from that...

    I would add in a technical point that the draft system is completely unrelated to the level of talent brought in. The draft system simply states "of the talent wanting to play for the league, we will distribute it in a selection favoring parity through reverse order of standings." Then with that you can have the MLB-style mixed system where American players who want to play in America are drafted and international players are signed on an open market system.

    The US sports model is highly drawn to this concept of parity, European leagues aren't. Or that's how I see it, and that was my original point.


    EDIT: I would add that I agree that the draft will go away once the youth systems are fully established and fleshed out. I had a discussion last season with a guy who does broadcasting for St. John's men's soccer team and we sort of agreed that if the MLS' youth initiative worked out, college soccer would be left pretty much obsolete.
     
  19. hehe

    hehe New Member

    Mar 30, 2006
    i look forward to youth academies and movement of foreign players making the draft obsolete in the future.
     
  20. REALFOREVER

    REALFOREVER Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Because the other leagues don't have TFC. :D
     
  21. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who the **** cares about international wins? If you care more about beating a foreign team than beating another team in your league, you're just messed up no matter which league you are talking about.
     
  22. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1992/93 SV Werder Bremen
    1993/94 FC Bayern München
    1994/95 Borussia Dortmund
    1995/96 Borussia Dortmund
    1996/97 FC Bayern München
    1997/98 1. FC Kaiserslautern
    1998/99 FC Bayern München
    1999/00 FC Bayern München
    2000/01 FC Bayern München
    2001/02 Borussia Dortmund
    2002/03 FC Bayern München
    2003/04 SV Werder Bremen
    2004/05 FC Bayern München
    2005/06 FC Bayern München

    Bayern: 8
    Dortmund: 3
    Bremen: 2
    Kaiserslautern: 1

    Must be nice having a new fresh competition every year!

    2005–06 Chelsea
    2004–05 Chelsea
    2003–04 Arsenal
    2002–03 Manchester United
    2001–02 Arsenal
    2000–01 Manchester United
    1999–00 Manchester United
    1998-99 Manchester United
    1997–98 Arsenal
    1996–97 Manchester United
    1995–96 Manchester United
    1994–95 Blackburn Rovers
    1993–94 Manchester United
    1992–93 Manchester United

    ManU: 8
    Arsenal: 3
    Chelsea: 2
    Blackburn: 1

    Must be nice with all the competition to win the league!

    1992 FC Barcelona
    1993 FC Barcelona
    1994 FC Barcelona
    1995 Real Madrid
    1996 Atlético de Madrid
    1997 Real Madrid
    1998 FC Barcelona
    1999 FC Barcelona
    2000 Deportivo de La Coruña
    2001 Real Madrid
    2002 Valencia CF
    2003 Real Madrid
    2004 Valencia CF
    2005 FC Barcelona
    2006 FC Barcelona

    Barcelona: 7
    Real: 4
    Valencia: 2
    Deportivo: 1
    Atletico: 1

    A little better with 5 teams in 15 years and no team having won more than half of the titles.
     
  23. jade1mls

    jade1mls Member

    Jul 9, 2006
    Seattle
    and this attitude is why Mexico will continue repping CONCACAF in Japan...
     
  24. TerpSoccerFan

    TerpSoccerFan New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Rome
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    People more worried about succeeding in pointless international competitions than actually having a stable, profitable domestic league are inherently shortsighted. When your domestic league works, is profitable, fosters more investment, gets the point where you can start making decisions to allow for better competition in international tournaments... then that makes sense.

    Making gambles with an unstable league just to try to make a splash in CWC or something of the like is stupid.

    If your home league is set, you'll produce good results internationally.
     
  25. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    It's not a valid comparison as it has no competition. If the NFL drops the salary cap, it makes more profit, but the players can't go anywhere else. If the Premiership implements a salary cap, the best players could just go to Spain or Italy.

    You can't compare a league with no competition to a league with dozens of rivals.

    So the best upcoming players have to play for the crappest teams with the crappest coaches. That's really going to help their development...
     

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