Why don't American cities bid to host the Club World Cup? Should there be a future U.S. bid?

Most probably have no idea what it is.

 

I believe the tournament is always in December.

A lot of the U.S has pretty lousy weather in December. Plus it takes place over a couple of weeks. You would pretty much have to have the tournament at big outdoor stadiums so you could have grass and draw enough of a crowd to pay for the deal. Most of those stadiums have college and/or NFL football going on at that time of year. If it was just one weekend then maybe you could shoehorn it into the schedule at some of those stadiums but since it is spread out over a couple of weekends that would be tough.

Also, FIFA was asking for a minimum $25 million bid to host the Cup for the next few years. A local organizer would have to come up with a lot of sponsors to cover that kind of money. In many of the likely hosting cities they would be competing against college bowl games for sponsorships.

Most of the stadiums are making good money hosting friendlies in the summer when they have a lot more availability. And they don't have raise as much money to get the event.

 

Wondered the same thing myself. Always thought Vegas would be a perfect place, but they don't have a stadium of the caliber needed. But there are other cities that would makes sense. Orlando, Miami or Phoenix all seem good options with big enough stadiums, good weather and a tourist economy. Phoenix or Miami would have to work with the NFL for scheduling but teams play two weekends on the road all the time so very doable.

This I think is the key. If you offered these cities a chance to host it, think they would jump at the chance, but at this price it just isn't worth it.

 

With the CWC being held about from dec 10 to dec 20th would be a terrible time to gain any kind of major audience in the US.
This is the final month of the NFL. It is about the time that the 4 of the power 5 NCAA conferences hold their championship.
It would be nice for the US to host so that an MLS club can compete for the first time as the host team.
Also with NBA, NHL, and NCAA men's basketball as well getting into the swing of their season's I am not sure how much major network space would be available to even tevevise the matches.
ESPN is loaded with both College football and basketball and NBA basketball.
CBS, Fox, NBC as well loaded with NFL, college basketball, college football will have some games still as early bowl season begins. ABC NBA. NBC NHL and FS1 with college basketball and NBC SN NHL.
Canada may actually be a better location in having two rectactable roof stadiums that will have all of their sports being finished. Playing outside in Canada in Dec not very ideal.
Would that put the MLS champ in it or would Canada make a bid for one of the 3 Canadian teams. more than likley it would be an MLS club US or Canada.

Mexico would be the best North American Country but they do not even host the Gold Cup.

 

Why is it that American cities don't bid to host this tournament?
Lack of interest? Probably*. Waste of Money? Very Likely.
CWC a farce? "Farce" may be a strong word, but it's surely not gained traction.
Too soon after MLS playoffs? Non-factor
We don't deserve to have a team in the competition until an MLS side wins the Concacaf Champions League? Well, we won't have a team in the competition until an MLS side wins the CONCACAF Champions League (or, let's be honest, the Cosmos do, which is inevitable), but if you mean we don't deserve to host it until we have a team in it....that's probably not correct. If there were money to be made here doing it, it would happen with an MLS team or without it. And you have to bid for these things a few years out, so it's unlikely we'd know either way.
It would interfere with our chance of hosting the real World Cup? Why would it?

 

The timing is a certainly one issue. For all major CONCACAF leagues, except USA and Panama, their playoffs will clash with the tournament. Even then, there would be a very short turnaround for the MLS champion should USA host the tournament. Take this years timings for example, if USA was hosting:

MLS Cup final: 6-December
CWC play-off: 10-December (OFC v Host)
CWC QF: 13-December

Having 3 days for prepare for a FIFA tournament after winning the MLS Cup is... well... stupid!!

Of course, when/if USA do host the tournament, they will move the MLS Cup final forward a few weeks.... but then that will mean the regular season finishes earlier.... which means it will have to start earlier or have a more compact fixture list in an already busy schedule... no easy solution!

Personally, I think that Decemeber is the worse time for the CWC. UEFA teams are in the middle of their season, CONCACAF is concentrating on playoffs. Most of CAF and AFC are also mid-season. The only confederations which this works out for are CONMEBOL (even then there is a short rest time for most leagues) and East Asia.

The end of July I think would be the best time. Most leagues are in preseason, UEFA clubs travel the world, MLS teams hosts various friendlies around this time too. Would be easier to fit in a 10 day tournament here than mid-December. Hell, UEFA might even apply to host matches!!

 

For some reason, I stated that the MLS Cup final was on the 6th!!!

 

This is the main reason in my opinion. And since tournaments are awarded back-to-back you need to cough up 50M at once. You either need a dedicated sponsor like Japan with Toyota (this is their baby going back to the Intercontinental Cup days) or government support like Morocco and the UAE.

As I stated on the FIFA forum, Brazil couldn't get any government support going and India also dropped out (probably due to similar reasons) so expect the CWC to go back to Japan and the UAE for the next four years.

 

Just send the US Open Cup champion

BTW J league end their season on December 6th, I think usually they finish around the first week of December, so they do have a short turn around also (when they host).

J league is changing their format next season, so that may change.

 

The newly formated International Cup has been a huge success and Guinness has gotten on board as the major naming rights sponsor. So CWC would likely be a huge success if hosted by the US. I would agree though the time of the year it is scheduled, December, aside from interfering with the MLS playoffs, It would not get the same kind of excitement and support.
In the US and Canada mid summer is the prime time of the year for soccer. In December other sports are already well engraved. Especially football in the NFL and NCAA. Hockey and Basketball are also getting a lot of attention especially NHL in Canada and NCAA in the US.
FIFA switching dates is unlikely. Waiting until an MLS club can win the CCL is also likely not needed. The Host country getting the automatic bid the MLS could go several ways in sending a representative. A team already out of the MLS playoffs. The previous years MLS cup champion or a Supportors shield winner could represent if they are no longer in the playoffs.
In December securing venues could be tricky as well. A better turnout would come from warmer climate locations or at indoor venues. Provided that their is no football games scheduled.

Of topic a bit. The Guinness Champions cup i think should have an MLS rep as well as a Liga MX Club.

 

If I'm the CSA and scrapping together 50M I would ensure the host team is Canadian. But until FIFA relax their requirements I see the current Japan/Arab World rotation continuing. Even China refrained from bidding after declaring initial interest this time around.

In 2011 the J. League was decided on the last day and Kashiwa Reysol had four days to prepare for their first CWC match. Not great from a ticket selling perspective either I'm sure.

 

Wouldn't players who played in a UEFA league and Champions League and then the World Cup be tired and want a short break before preseason for the next league season that starts in August?

 

Well for the UEFA teams, I envisage this being a preseason tournament, in lieu of friendlies. The World Cup and being CL finalists didnt stop Real Madrid taking part in this years International Champions Cup. Of course, I dont know how many players that also appeared in the World Cup they fielded, but their first match was on July 26.

 

Down the road a bit the US could make a bid on the CWC. For now the the G International cup has really grown fast very quickly and can be played at a good time of the year for soccer in the US.
If Canada were looking to a possible host country, I agree that they would want one of the 3 Canadian clubs in the CWC. Hosting the WWC will be their first major FIFA event, I am sure they do not want it to be their last. Canada would have probably just two venues in which they would use. BC Place in Vancouver and RC in Toronto with both being enclosed venues being more suitable for cold Canadian winters in DEC.
Both having good availability at that time of year.
Especially RC in Toronto with both Jays and CFL season's over and would not have conflicts with MLS playoffs should TFC be involved.
If using outdoor venues be ok to use THF in nearby Hamilton also be available as well as BMO reno'd. both ability to expand to 40K.
Montreal/Ottawa possibilities would hinge on new roof. This could be the type of event in which funding for it may be able to happen from private and maybe public funding

 

Teams like R.M. probably make more money with their friendly tours than they do with the CWC.

 

http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/2014-fifa-club-world-cup-general-discussion-r.2013557/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup

 

Well, they're about to make 5 million if they win the CWC, so if they make more than that from friendly tours, please post the info.

fridge, I disagree that summer would be a better time, for the reason Evan pointed out. It can't be lumped as a preseason event. It's better to hold it when teams are match fit. The current time of year is good, it's a good way to end the calendar year and it isn't at all confused with a preseason tournament.

 

USD 5M is still pretty good for two matches. Yes, a club like Real Madrid makes more in some pre-season tours but they also play more games.

A tournament for Mexican clubs?

*ducks*

 

http://www.calcioefinanza.it/2014/1...-tre-continenti-per-ricavi-da-record/?lang=en

Probably an exageration. plus that is multiple games around many countries.

 

There's no money to be made, and it would be hard to get anyone in the US to pay attention to it during this time of year. The prospect of the winter World Cup in 2022 is simply a nightmare for marketing the sport in this country. Like it or not, it will always be more or less of a summer/warm season sport and never a winter sport like it is in most other countries. There's only one club in the tournament that is going to have any name recognition to casual fans. There's a reason no traditional power countries have ever hosted this.

 

I disagree. By now the European teams like to drop by and pick up this trophy. It's just a week out of their schedule. You talk about brand building, what better way to do that than with the term world champion?

Not to mention the additional jersey sales with this: