Why does Landon get so few touches?

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  1. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He seems to get fewer touches than anyone on the team, which shouldn't be the way it should go down. I could be wrong but it seems that way. Whether at midfield or at striker, the ball doesn't go through him enough.

    Of course, the Quakes have been winning (generally) so it ain't all bad, but it's a bit of a puzzle to me.

    Can anyone illuminate?
     
  2. TerremotoFan

    TerremotoFan New Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    San Jose, Ca
    I've thought about this but I don't have any answers. It would make sense whenever he's heavily marked (and that's no problem for us because the other team is tying up its resorces).
    During the last game against Dallas I thought this was glaring true, the rest of the mid field would pass in congestion while an open Donovan would go wanting.
     
  3. sonofapitch

    sonofapitch New Member

    Feb 11, 2002
    Novato, CA
    I don't think anyone can truly offer an answer...just theories. Mine is partly obvious--that he is being double-teamed and denied by the opponent. The other part of my theory suggests that they have been winning by building offense and running it toward/through Graziani. Why stray from a plan when it has been working.

    IMO, the trick is to involve LD in the latter. That requires some really fine one-touch, give-and-go sort of midfield play. Of course, if every team keeps throwing this 3-5-2 configuration at us to clog the middle, there won't be a whole lot of possession at midfield. The Quakes will be reduced to lobbing balls over the top and that ain't good! Sort of like a basketball team that can only throw up 3-pointers and can't rebound. Again IMO, the Quakes need to figure a way to open up that midfield again in spite of the other team throwing 5 guys in there.
     
  4. lplaksina

    lplaksina Member

    Jan 5, 2002
    i just came home from the game and the reason donovan didn't get too many touches was because kc didn't give him ( or any other quake) any space. 95% of the players in this league cannot operate in tight spaces, thus, bad passes, no passes, or dispossessions. welcome to mls guys
     
  5. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, this only partially explains it. KC may have been denying open spaces to the Quakes but OTHER Quakes were still getting more touches than Golden Boy. Many more it seemed to me. Maybe the other Quakes were having bad touches for the most part, but at least they were touches. Landon had a lot fewer. If KC was specially marking him, that might explain it. I just don't know.

    But I'm not just basing it on this game either. I saw the Fire game last Wed. and the same thing seemed to be happening. And I've seen other games where a similar lack of touches in comparison to his teammates seemed to happen. I'm not saying they even should try to get him more touches, I'm just wondering why it happens.
     
  6. IBleedTeal

    IBleedTeal Member+

    Jun 2, 2001
    Yves Fiat
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Landon sucks..
    Get over it..



    Can you say overrated?
     
  7. elainemichelle

    elainemichelle New Member

    Jul 20, 2002
    Who, besides maybe himself, cares how often he has the ball? It doesn't really matter who has the ball as long as we score and win. They're a team for God's sakes, there shouldn't be any "stars."
     
  8. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't say that because he was a "star" he should have more touches.

    I'm just wondering why one key cog of the Quakes gets less touches than anyone else.

    Obviously none of you have any answers either...
     
  9. elainemichelle

    elainemichelle New Member

    Jul 20, 2002
    FlashMan- I know you didn't say he was a "star," it's just been bothering me for a while. All these girls (I am not one them) come in here and just constantly talk about him. It's really irritating.

    AND JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW: I don't hate him.
     
  10. Albany58

    Albany58 Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    Concord, CA USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, there he is. Showing his esteemed brilliance again.
     
  11. Jefe De Menlo

    Jefe De Menlo Member

    Apr 15, 2001
    Menlo Park CA
    I think the reason Landon has been getting so many fewer touches is that he has been playing out wide a lot more (for the first half against KC, for most of the second half against Chicago). Playing Landon out wide plays right into the hands of the opposition IMO. His greatest strengths are his touch and his speed. It's a lot easier to deny him space when he is out wide since a defender has the help of the sideline. Plus when he is out wide he is typically going against players that have more speed than someone playing in the back line or even as a D-mid.

    Now in the second half when Landon moved up front we relied way to much on the long ball out of the back instead of a much more methodical build up. A lot of people are crediting KC's use of a 3-5-2 for causing this. There is probably some truth to this, but this is not the first time we've been faced with a 3-5-2. Sounds like not enough movement in midfield to me. In any event, playing long hopeful balls up front is certainly not playing to Landon's strengths.

    Someone asked why the ball has to be played to Landon. Of course it doesn't *have* to be played to him, but he is the most creative offensive force on the team. To not utilize him is just silly. We've not looked dangerous at all with him playing out wide. It ain't working.

    Frank seems determined not to break up the midfield partnership of Ekelund/Mulrooney. Fine. That really ought to leave him with one alternative as to where Landon should play. Up front partnering Graz. I say this with the full knowledge that we've got significant injury/suspension problems in the back and that is forcing Frank to shuffle the lineup in ways that he probably doesn't like.

    Regards,

    Jefe
     
  12. msknutson

    msknutson Member

    United States
    Sep 15, 2000
    San Diego, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, Landon seems to disappear ...

    at times during the game, especially when he's in midfield. Few touches, little impact. Mostly "away" games. Sometimes. IMHO, the coaches are trying to not disturb the ("winning") chemistry on the pitch that they've developed this season. Ariel G and DeRo up front seems to work at times, other times not. But, where does LD fit in here? Who sits? Inserting Landon at midfield is not the best choice, as he often drifts out of the game (bacause he doesn't see the ball enough), AND, the play correctly goes through Ekelund and Mulrooney. So he loses touch with the ebb and flow. But, you've gotta play him somewhere. Where can he be best used, remembering that Ariel G and DeRo are a huge part of where the Quakes are today?

    My opinion, he needs the ball at his feet, taking on defenders. Not out wide.
     
  13. sockerfan

    sockerfan New Member

    Sep 1, 2001
    San Jose
    How funny,
    Now that the pretty boy don't have that many touches, excuses come from everywhere, but when Cerritos was in the same situation, every body called him a waste/bad player..... How soon we forget. Hipos


    Go Quakes, 15/30
     
  14. IBleedTeal

    IBleedTeal Member+

    Jun 2, 2001
    Yves Fiat
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    :D:D
     
  15. Lurko

    Lurko Member

    Aug 31, 1999
    DC area


    Whatever. That statement is such bullsh!t....
     
  16. Lurko

    Lurko Member

    Aug 31, 1999
    DC area
    I think the reason Donovan gets far fewer touches is because he's being misplayed in Ian Russell's position. LD is a forward, through and through, and I fail to see why Arena and now, unbelievably, Yallop, insist on forcing him back into a midfield role. He is so deadly up front, why bury him in the midfield?

    Anybody have his stats on goals when he's playing in midfield versus up front?
     
  17. masoo

    masoo Member

    May 31, 2000
    Berkeley, CA
    If the problem is that Donovan isn't as useful on the wing, then you've got to either fit him in central midfield or up front. So you've got five guys to fill four slots:

    Mulrooney and Ekelund: both candidates for team MVP, even league MVP, and they have a terrific understanding. They stay.

    Graziani: one of the best forwards in the league. He stays.

    Donovan: best player on the team. He stays.

    DeRosario: the fifth-best player on this list.

    It's pretty clear who needs to come off the bench. And the only people who don't see it are the ones who think a discussion of Landon's abs on BigSoccer is proof that Landon can't play soccer. I'm not sure, but I think all that teal blood running through the system is damaging some people's brains.
     
  18. Lurko

    Lurko Member

    Aug 31, 1999
    DC area
    I agree with masoo's post on all points except the vicious, vindictive, personal attack on our beloved IBT.....

    :)
     
  19. Albany58

    Albany58 Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    Concord, CA USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "I'm not sure, but I think all that teal blood running through the system is damaging some people's brains."

    "I agree with masoo's post on all points except the vicious, vindictive, personal attack on our beloved IBT....."

    I nominate the two of you as co-posters of the day. :D I have also displaced my sacroiliac due to raucous laughter.
     
  20. porkrind

    porkrind Member

    Quakes
    United States
    Sep 27, 2001
    Bostonia
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Yes, Landon plays better at forward - now. I think what Frankie and The Bruce are trying to do is gently suggest to Landon that the best place for him in the future is as a creative midfielder. Goal poachers seem to come a dime a dozen, and someone with LD's skills can be far more useful in a playmaking role - someone whose job is to pass, dribble, or shoot. I'm thinking Ronaldhino here.

    Someone who has creative midfielder skills will, IMHO, be worth more to future clubs. Of course, the process of easing him into this role will take some time, and at the moment, his future spot is occupied by Ekelund. In the meantime, however, Frank wants him to play a spot where his field vision will come into play.

    The only question is how much patience Frank has for this experiment before shelving it for next year.
     
  21. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    As I have said before, if Landon truely is the FOAS (Future Of American Soccer to you new people), then it will have to be at midfield. The US is full of current and upcoming forwards - we need people with vision and passing ability, and that is supposedly what Landon has. The tight marking argument is bogus. It was clear in the first game of the World Cup against Portugal that Landon was a threat, and he was tightly marked by people way beyond the best the MLS has to offer. He still made an impact.

    Landon just does not seem to do a lot of off-the-ball running. It may also be that other Quake players are envious of his abz.
     
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  22. raindawg

    raindawg Member

    Sep 22, 2000
    SF Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why Donovan hasn't done that well as a midfielder for the Quakes have been a big mystery to me. He was starting to come along in that role (esp. in Earnie Stewart's position) for the USMNT this year starting with the Gold Cup.

    Obviously filling in for Russell (out & out right winger) is different from filling in for Stewart (who tends to play more in the middle even as a right-mid)...
     
  23. doppelganger

    doppelganger Member

    Jul 6, 2001
    santa cruz, ca
    tke two pennies

    and here are my theories:

    1) the WC really messed with the Golden Boy's head and he may think that he deserves the ball instead of earning the ball. remember, he was gone for a long stretch of the season while the rest of the team had time to gel. 16 guys playing together day-in day-out and then here comes LD and we expect him to completely dominate. I think what we are seeing is a little immaturity and distraction since LD did his media tour and magazine shoots and balloon tours and whatever else he is doing instead of focusing on his job. Maybe if the whole "will LD stay" drama ends, he may settle down. there is alot of attention on the kid and I think he is struggling with it.

    2) (or really 1B) Frank hasn't found a slot for LD since his return. the center of midfield is RE's & RM's, not LD's. This is clear. but since LD's return, he has been in the right midfield, centrally, on the left, and as a striker. and he hasn't seemed 100% comfortable anywhere. he fades in and out and doesn't demand the ball like a kid with his skills should. he should be following every pass he makes, demanding it right back instead of admiring the ball as it leaves his $175 Vapors. he has seemed timid since his return and has not had the flames in his eyes liek we saw at the end of last year and during the WC (obviously, with playoffs and a world competition, one should be more motivated than a regular season game when you are 8 points clear of your nearest opponent)

    FY needs to figure out the problem and sove it and hopefully this extended break will give the team time to finally come together and play as well on the road as they do at home.
     
  24. Spartacus

    Spartacus Member

    May 20, 2001
    The NO SOCCER Zone
    I'm surprised no one has lurched headlong into the correct answer...the kid's fatigued and needs a rest!

    Look at how he rushed himself back to the club from Korea...then rushed into a particularly busy part of the schedule.

    After the All-Star Game, Frank should tell him to go home and rest for a week. Period. OK, so he misses the LA Derby in LHUSOC. Big deal. We've won without him before this season...one more match won't make that big a difference...and it may give him a huge lift down the stretch in defending the Cup.
     
  25. Albany58

    Albany58 Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    Concord, CA USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     

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