Why all the VARguing? [R]

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  1. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    #951 EruditeHobo, Oct 4, 2023
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    I didn't say anything about what he said... believe him or don't, but it doesn't have any extra weight because he's "a United fan".
     
  2. Samarkand

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  3. newterp

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    #953 newterp, Oct 4, 2023
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    he does though. If he was a Swindon fan do you think he'd even be known? Or would anyone care what he said?
     
  4. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    Yes, of course you're right, no one would care in that case. All I was trying to say is I don't think his support of Liverpool's biggest rival makes his argument any more persuasive, or any more worthy of platforming. For multiple reasons.
     
  5. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    VAR check in Newcastle - PSG. Offside call, but also needed goal line tech.

    Took 3 minutes to decide Almiron wasn't offside when he lofted the ball to Dan Burn for the 2nd goal. Was a weird play following some messy pinball in the PSG's box. Looked like a good call.
     
  6. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

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    Really?
     
  7. EruditeHobo

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  8. speker

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    Look Goldbridge is a staunch Utd supporter and certainly doesn't wish Liverpool any kind of success . However the guy is also a football supporter and he's clearly been able to cut though the tribal BS stuff and make some sound unbiased analysis of the Diaz VAR issue and of VAR in general as it's operated in the prem league.

    A comment I read on Twitter this am from a Lpool supoorter.

    Why is it Mark Goldbridge that is the voice of sense and reason? It’s quite shameful for mainstream journos .
     
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  9. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    That's been my post the last several days here.
     
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  10. EruditeHobo

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  11. Samarkand

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    My reply to your post was “Really?” Meaning I didn’t think much of your reply; show your work, justify your position because I think you’re being willfully blind.
     
  12. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    Really?

    ... see how this kind of post doesn't necessarily go anywhere?

    Just forget it. You're right and I'm wrong. A salaam alaikum.
     
  13. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
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    It was a “messy pinball” so much movement and separate incidents. At least 2 inadvertent handballs to view. I think the non offside was the easiest call.
     
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  14. Wingtips1

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    You know what the tragedy of this is?

    This could have been solved by VAR calling into the ref and telling him to stop play and to award the goal. And the official doing so.

    Both officials would have been "breaking the rules," but do you think there would be any blowback had they done so? Instead, by following the inept rules, they've created a massive black eye and headache for all involved.
     
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  15. CB-West

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    Instead - by not "breaking the rules" they have got it all wrong, and "they've created a massive black eye..."

    :confused:
     
  16. Samarkand

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    Game would have been definitely ordered replayed.
     
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  17. EruditeHobo

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    I think refs actively ignoring the rules is worse than refs making a mistake... which means it's probably more legally actionable.

    However, it seems more likely that Spurs merely allow the goal, get on with the game, and agree the "rule break" is justified to let a good goal be rightly counted even though it's a goal against them.
     
  18. EruditeHobo

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    Burnley - Chelsea:

    Long VAR check for the 3rd goal. Was a tight offside call leading to a Sterling goal. Took 3:30 from the strike, to the goal being allowed.

    Bring in SAOT!!
     
  19. EruditeHobo

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    United - Brentford.

    90th minute United equalizer! But was flicked on by an offside Martial.
    Check takes about 70 seconds... no goal. Good call. United still behind.
     
  20. EruditeHobo

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    omg they stole a point in the 93rd minute.

    VAR check on whether ball went out of play, but it didn't. Good goal. 3 mins left to get the winner...
     
  21. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    Liverpool's goal vs Spurs was disallowed because "once restarted, games can't be halted because of VAR".

    really? seems like that is ... what's the word I'm looking for? oh right - BULLSHIT!!

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66969160
    Play restarted after Sterling's goal before referee Stuart Attwell stopped the game as a check by the video assistant referee (VAR) for a potential offside was continuing. The goal was eventually allowed to stand.
     
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  22. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    How do they manage to screw this up every single week. It's like a game of "top this".
     
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  23. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    if they get called on this they'll just say "The ref misheard what the VAR told him. No, you don't need to hear the audio for this. Just be a good boy and piss off."
     
  24. Menace2Sobriety

    Menace2Sobriety Member+

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    I’m sure that’s a direct result of what happened last week…and now there’s precedent
     
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  25. EruditeHobo

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    #975 EruditeHobo, Oct 7, 2023
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    Pretty sure refs could always stop restarted play in the case that a VAR check was still ongoing. That is part of the protocol. But of course that's not what happened for the Diaz offside check.

    And yes, as you've said, if one were looking for another example of a stoppage of restarted play that was against the "can't stop once it's been restarted" protocol... this was not the weekend in which to look. That's allowed now. :thumbsup:

    Not that Sam cares about those details, he just wants to feel his feelings... and I get that.

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