Why all the Dempsey-hating??

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Dammit!, Dec 29, 2005.

  1. CbR

    CbR Member

    Nov 10, 2000
    Bergen County NJ
    i agree,,i seriously dont know why arena doesnt put him in a deeper role
     
  2. Shackleton

    Shackleton New Member

    Sep 13, 2005
    N. Texas
    Because he plays for the Revolution.

    I'm not joking. I've observed that certain MLS teams seem to have more fanatical supporters and haters on this board. This leads to excessive love and hate for a player from one of these teams.
     
  3. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    when dempsey plays deeply. he doesn't do what reyna does, and he doesn't do what mastroeni does...

    so, in terms of role, dempsey offers something different.....

    he goes full speed all the times, runs people over or gets run over...

    in terms of how the revs play, mixed with joseph, twellman, noonan and ralston, his approach can be very effective...

    but transitioning into how arena wants to play, he's a square peg looking fior the round hole...

    he needs to adapt his game, embrace being a d-mid, if he can (backing mastroeni) OR seize being an a-mid (meaning he's donovans back-up)
     
  4. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think his opting to rest rather than train in Europe was at the recommendation of Coach Nicol. The kid was tired and has a huge year ahead of him. Look for him to be back in top form when he gets to the USMNT camp and as an active part of USMNT success in Germany. He had a sophmore slump during the second half of 05.

    Pradiction: In 06 we will see him emerge as a real major asset for the USA.
     
  5. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Dempsey played his way off the team in '05. We'll try again next year.
     
  6. CbR

    CbR Member

    Nov 10, 2000
    Bergen County NJ
    Demspey is the perfect guy to get under Totti's skin i think...just have him follow Totti the whole game. Even the biggest Dempsey fans will aknowledge that he has a little bit of "goon" to him,,thats something we need.
     
  7. Ringo

    Ringo Member

    Jun 10, 2002
    Rough and Ready
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree. I hate the Galaxy, for example, but if Landon ain't on that field there's issues. I think Cobi is devil spawn, but I could certainly see him playing a role for the US even at this stage of his career.
    I think your perceived Revs bias is the fact that their 4-5 national teamers have been mediocre on their best days.

    I just can't see that much hate for the Revs ... I mean, nationally do their inspire much love/hate or do they just exist? kinda like columbus, colorado and KC. I don't mean that in a bad way. :)
     
  8. Ringo

    Ringo Member

    Jun 10, 2002
    Rough and Ready
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    perhaps if he follows Totti around rapping the entire time Totti will take a red card just to put himself out of his misery.
     
  9. Enge

    Enge Member

    Jan 28, 2004
    Frankenmuth MI
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe people mix him up with Cletus.

    What's a QB?
     
  10. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    I gave him my baby to kiss and he bit it... in the head!
     
  11. the Next Level

    Mar 18, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    I don't know about the prediction, but I do feel the kid was too pooped to pop after May of 2005. You could see it at kickoff. That calm, cagy look in his eye was gone, replaced by a kind of wide-eyed uncertainty.

    Hopefully he has learned how to take care of his body. Also hope guys like Rolfe and Mapp have learned from his example. You gotta work hard to recover and rebuild your body in the offseason. I just can't believe Mapp is still injured from freakin October. That's ridiculous. Have some surgery. Eat some vitamins. Do something. Put up an effort. Don't just stay injured.
     
  12. REMOVED

    REMOVED New Member

    Jul 22, 2004
    I saw CD totally destroy my Fire defensively and offensively. Then saw him score against the England Nats at Soldier Field and anchor the midfield. Enjoy him in the MLS because he will be playing in europe soon. He is one of the players I pay to watch.
     
  13. USvsIRELAND

    USvsIRELAND Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    ATL
    LOOOOOOOL
    This thread iss hilarious.

    How can you hate this bling blingin rapper?!?!?!

    [​IMG]
     
  14. jägermeister

    jägermeister New Member

    May 18, 2004
    Hannover
    MC Hammer & Vanilla Ice in DA Hoooooouuussssssseeeeeee!!!


    Where's my poser mobile?
     
  15. REVS FAN 1

    REVS FAN 1 Member

    Jul 2, 2004
    Weymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More importantly...When can I get one of those DTOM hoodies????

    Cmon Nike :D
     
  16. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    A rich man's Gaven. Eddie was even more tired, and he looked even worse. I wonder if it's not related to their body types? Those long, lean guys tend to be slow developers (look at Peter Crouch, finally coming into his own at age 27). I wouldn't be surprised if it takes them longer to develop stamina, too.
     
  17. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CD is a work in process. He's darn good now, and he's going to get much better.

    I recall the thread comparing CD to Ballack which was started by a Revs fan and supported by a bunch of them. It was about that time that CD started slumping. No doubt that thread put a lot of unnecessary pressure on him.

    With JOB and/or Reyna so unlikely to be 100% physically fit for the WC, CD is slated for a lot of work this summer. I'm sure he will rise to the task even though he is a reject from Texas HS gridiron ball. :)
     
  18. REVS FAN 1

    REVS FAN 1 Member

    Jul 2, 2004
    Weymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope you're not serious??? If so, this may be the most idiotic comment I've ever read on BigSoccer...

    A dopey thread on a message board put pressure on a world class athlete....and led to subpar performance???

    C'mon...tell us you're joking!!!

    BTW, find that thread...I want to see who said/agreed that Clint was in the same category as Ballack...
     
  19. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    it's due to the home run celebration at RFK... It pissed a great deal of BS posters.. wonder whom ;)
     
  20. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Go to "Search" at the top of the page. Enter "Dempsey Ballack" and a list of 20 threads comes up. Now I only checked the first two, and they each have several posts comparing the 2 players.

    For some strange reason, the search does not allow me to fetch the links to the 2 threads I mentioned.

    Players do react to pressure. For example, it seemed to me that the pressure of the MLS Cup rattled the entire Revs team.
     
  21. JoeW

    JoeW New Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Northern Virginia, USA
    I think there are a couple of very legitimate reasons why Clint Dempsey isn't getting much love in terms of the USMNT.

    1. What position does he play? True, Arena LOVES versatility. But you've got to be able to play at least one position very well. Is he good enough to make the USMNT as a withdrawn forward? I don't think so--there is quite a crowd at forward: McBride, EJ probably start, add Donovan at times to the mix, include Twellman, Noonan, Quaranta (who also is a right mid), Adu (who is also an A-mid), Cunningham, Ching, Rolfe, Gomez (who was an alternate for this camp), and it's hard to argue that Dempsey is a serious candidate for withdrawn forward.

    Well, then, let's slot him in at A-mid. Oops--that is where Donovan, Reyna, sometimes Convey, perhaps Adu and even O'Brien like to hang out. Even Gaven is out of the running and he's not chump. Don't guess there is much room for him there at A-mid.

    I know, he started out as a D-mid with NE so let's um....Mastroeni, Carroll, Clark, Armas, Zavagnin. In a pinch Reyna and O'Brien can play D-mid too. Hmm...guess he's not a D-mid candidate.

    How many games has he played at outside mid? The USA could use a good outside mid. But Ralston is probably better than Dempsey at right outside mid so that's no solution.

    Now if Arena's favorite scheme was a 3-5-2, Dempsey would be a real serious candidate. But it isn't and he isn't.

    2. He started like a man on fire and then progressively cooled off. Didn't mean he was bad. But Clint in the first two months was significantly better than Clint in the last two months of the season.

    3. His play with the USMNT has been...okay. I don't think he's eliminated himself by his play. But he didn't electrify when he had chances. Combined with his club play most recently AND his position-dilemma and you can like him a lot as a player but conclude he's likely outside looking in when it comes to Germany in 2006.

    I really like Dempsey as a player and think he has a huge upside. But I feel the same way about Adu--and I think neither is likely to be on the USMNT. Both would have a better chance if the USA relied on a 3-5-2 formation.
     
  22. Rodan

    Rodan New Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Providence
    Then again, if you looked, you'd see that only four guys scored more than a dozen goals all season in MLS, and one of those did it primarily on PKs (maybe Dempsey needs to take more PKs - although definitely not in the playoffs ;) ).

    And if you look again, you'd see that only two guys in the top ten in MLS in scoring at the end of the year had equal or less experience than Dempsey (the two Gomezes). So, sum it up, and you'd have to say that he had a pretty solid season for a second-year player.

    Say what you like about his international games (a pretty mixed bag I'd say - but that shouldn't be surprising), but the guy is a very good MLS player.
     
  23. Dr Jay

    Dr Jay BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 7, 1999
    Newton, MA USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some players react in a positive way to pressure.

    And I disagree that the Revs choked in the MLS cup. They were beaten by a better team (that day).

    If I was going to make excuses I would mention that the Revs were not 100 % for that game...(Twellman had been gutting out a painful hernia for a month prior to the cup, Ralston's leg was not 100 %, Joseph was nursing two injuries at the time, Noonan's ankle was not 100 %)

    And beleive me...Dempsey does not have the type of personality that would make him play poorly due to pressure. Just the opposite. He's got loads of confidence.
     
  24. the Next Level

    Mar 18, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    It's a pretty good possibility that the Revs were just dead at the Final. Their main players had to pull double duty nearly all year long, then they had to scale two very large walls in the playoffs. And they had a tough, tough conference and such very few opportunities to rest those players.

    Put all that together with a paper thin roster and one can see why they looked like they were running in mud at the MLS Cup.
     
  25. soccrfn

    soccrfn New Member

    Mar 21, 2003
    That's funny. He was so invisible, I didn't think he wsa playing in the MLS final.
     

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