Who will advance from Group C

Discussion in 'GROUP C: England, USA, Algeria, Slovenia' started by JPA3:16, Feb 14, 2010.

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Which 2 teams will advance?

Poll closed Jun 22, 2010.
  1. England

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  2. USA

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  3. Algeria

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  4. Slovenia

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  1. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    Hopefully FIFA would rule that a special playoff match would be played, instead of drawing lots.

    Or FIFA could make the tiebreaker discipline. The team with less yellow and cards advances.

    If the tiebreaker is corners then congrats to England. :D
     
  2. taylor

    taylor Member+

    Jun 9, 2000
    Fav team: FC CARL ZEISS JENA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    I think it has to go through their Mali offices, first..

    just saying....
     
  3. leocal

    leocal Member

    Aug 23, 2004
    Fog City
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    believe it or not i think a coin toss is performed.
     
  4. mu831

    mu831 New Member

    Jun 3, 2007
    Costa Mesa, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    It sounds interesting in thoery but U.S. games don't end 0-0.


    Maybe this, but highly unlikely.

    England 3-3 Slovenia
    USA 1-1 Algeria
     
  5. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;

    b) goal difference in all group matches;

    c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.

    If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their
    rankings will be determined as follows:

    d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the
    teams concerned;

    e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams
    concerned;

    f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams
    concerned;

    g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee

    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/56/42/69/fifawcsouthafrica2010inhalt_e.pdf

    So in your scenario they would draw lots.
     
  6. Rostam

    Rostam Member

    Dec 11, 2005
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    Thanx. I hope there is no hanky panky business with the draw should it come down to that.

    g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee
     
  7. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    Rock scissors paper
     
  8. starcade

    starcade New Member

    Apr 24, 2009
    Group C Advancement Scenarios

    I don't think this was in the group, and I just did this for another forum.

    Slovenia 4 points +1 GD 3 goals scored (1-0 ALG, 2-2 USA)
    United States 2 points Even 3 goals scored (1-1 ENG, 2-2 SLO)
    England 2 points Even 1 goal scored (1-1 USA, 0-0 ALG)
    Algeria 1 point -1 GD 0 goals scored (0-1 SLO, 0-0 ENG)

    Slovenia-England
    US-Algeria

    SLO wins, USA wins: Slovenia first, USA second. Outright.

    SLO wins, USA/ALG Draw: Slovenia first, USA second. Outright.

    SLO wins, ALG wins: Slovenia first, Algeria second. Outright

    SLO/ENG Draw, USA wins: USA first (unless the USA only wins by 1 and Slovenia score more goals vs. England than the US vs. Algeria), SLO second. Flip them in the parenthetical case.

    Both matches end in draws: Slovenia first, outright. US second unless England score at least three more goals vs. Slovenia than the US. If England scores two more, lots are drawn.

    SLO/ENG Draw, ALG wins: Slovenia first, Algeria second. Outright.

    ENG wins, USA wins: The team which wins by the larger margin is first. In case of tied margins, USA first unless England score at least 3 more than
    the US. If 2 more, then lots. Both winners qualify in this scenario.

    ENG wins, USA/ALG Draw: England first. Slovenia second, outright.

    ENG wins, ALG wins: England first. Algeria would get second if either margin in either game is more than 1 goal. If both margins in this scenario are 1, then Algeria would need to score 4 more than Slovenia. 3 more in the double-1 scenario? Lots.
     
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  9. REALfootballRulez

    May 25, 2007
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    In case of such a deadlock they should just play a 30 minute playoff game and if no one scores (which is likely:D) then they should have a SHOOTOUT to determine the winner.

    I know it's not the best way but it's MUCH better than just a stupid coin flip!!
     
  10. blacksun

    blacksun Member+

    Mar 30, 2006
    Seoul, Korea
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    I vote for a cage match between the managers.
     
  11. JohnPaul

    JohnPaul New Member

    Oct 14, 2009
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Re: Group C Advancement Scenarios

    Thanks. Nice to have it all laid out like that.
     
  12. CaptainAntar

    CaptainAntar New Member

    Jun 12, 2010
    Club:
    Zob-Ahan
    Re: Group C Advancement Scenarios

    we need to win with a 2 goal difference to have 100 % chances to go through
     
  13. Matjaz

    Matjaz New Member

    Jun 9, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Slovenia
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    Considering the looks of the managers, that might even be fun.
     
  14. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    Wasn't there fair play related stuff before the lots?:confused:
     
  15. Matjaz

    Matjaz New Member

    Jun 9, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Slovenia
    Re: Group C Advancement Scenarios

    Slovenia goes to the second round outright in 7/9 possible outcomes, and still a possibility in eighth? And in 5/9, we are also outright the first in the group.

    Couldn't wish for more. :D
     
  16. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    Not according to the FIFA rules.
     
  17. el americano

    el americano Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Jun 9, 2006
    San Francisco
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Group C Advancement Scenarios

    If I may, each team will be looking at what they need to do. So, here is the US-centric version.

    USA wins
    ENG wins: The team which wins by the larger margin is first. In case of tied margins, USA first unless England score at least 3 more than
    the US. If 2 more, then draw lots. Both winners qualify in this scenario.
    SLO/ENG Draw: USA first (unless the USA only wins by 1 and Slovenia score more goals vs. England than the US vs. Algeria), Slovenia second. Flip them in the parenthetical case.
    SLO wins: Slovenia first, USA second.

    USA draws
    ENG wins: England first. Slovenia second.
    SLO/ENG Draw: Slovenia first, outright. US second unless England score at least three more goals vs. Slovenia than the US vs. Algeria. If England scores two more, lots are drawn.
    SLO wins: Slovenia first, USA second.

    USA loses
    Life as we know it ends
     
  18. JeremyEritrea

    JeremyEritrea Member+

    Jun 29, 2006
    Takoma Park, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Group C Advancement Scenarios

    Who is we?
     
  19. chuckinca

    chuckinca Member

    Feb 17, 2003
    San Jose Bay Area
    Re: Group C Advancement Scenarios

    England (?)
     
  20. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    Ha. FIFA and fair play.

    Anyway, if England and the United States were to play last, and everything was tied, they could have gone to penalties, like Czech and Turkey could have in Euro 2008.

    But no matter. If's and butt's were candy and nuts...
     
  21. CaptainAntar

    CaptainAntar New Member

    Jun 12, 2010
    Club:
    Zob-Ahan
    Re: Group C Advancement Scenarios

    algeria of course
     
  22. Rostam

    Rostam Member

    Dec 11, 2005
    Re: Possible Deadlock?


    Capello would never show up. Bradley is a rasco. :D
     
  23. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    Is that a FIFA rule or just a UEFA rule? Because I have to say, it worked out fantastically in Euro 2008.
     
  24. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    if england v slovenia ends 2-2 and usa v algeria ends 0-0 it wll go to drawing of lots between england and usa. (there may be another combination but i haven't checked any others)
     
  25. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Possible Deadlock?

    10 paces and draw.
     

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