Who Wants To Bet A Dollar That Dom Kinnear Will Be The Next USMNT Coach?

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by DaveBrett, Jun 28, 2010.

  1. El Niño Orgulloso

    Jul 5, 2009
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Dom doesn't make subs, he would be terrible in a tournament.
     
  2. aquablue

    aquablue Member

    Jun 30, 2009
    What is the US mindset? To win with hard work and determination? I think that is something most second tier nations aspire to, not just us.
     
  3. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dom would be no worse than Nowak....he also would be no better. Heavy on preparation, a simple and direct style, predictable and mechanical, with size, strength, with a little speed thrown in, all in the service of "hardwork", given the driver's seat. Talent secondary. Skill on the ball something to mark you as the Devil. No potential number 10s need even dream of applying. A style perfect for a Stuart Holden or a Rico Clark or a Davis or a Weibull, or a Mike Bradley. and wasteful of the Torres, Feilhabers, or any young uns who play in the Tab Ramos, Reyna, John O'Brien mold.
    We'd get four years of "organization and sweat, Boys! It works for Celtic, it works for ya".
    For those comfortable with the "vision" of the game we've seen trotted out this last run, Kinnear's your guy.
     
  4. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Second tier nations who are comfortable being second tier nations in perpetuity certainly aspire to get something, by hook or by crook, working as hard and determined as they can. Ain't ever gonna be any hope otherwise.
    But second tier nations who aspire to develop into first tier nations have to develop beyond mere "blood, sweat, and tears". They have to focus on the development of talent and a style of play that can make full use of that developing talent. Simply put, they have to aspire to move beyond being the Hull or Derby County of international football. And for that reason they cannot develop if they go with managers who are all about the spirit of Hull or Derby County.
     
  5. nmw365

    nmw365 Member

    Oct 11, 2009
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    But this isn't the role of the USMNT coach!! Everyone here is blaming Bradley for things that he's not in control of. Criticism of tactics and in game strategy, completely viable (he waited way to long to make subs against England and his lineup against Ghana was obviously flawed). But he is NOT in charge of player development. His job is to look at the US player pool and win games with that group.

    The president of the USSF, on the other hand, is the "big picture" guy. He is in charge of the short- and long-term infrastructure of the sport in the country, including determining and implementing how best to develop players for our national team. Everyone on BS would be a lot better off using their energy trying to get Klinsmann to replace Sunil than blaming Bob for our strikers not being able to score a goal in back to back World Cups.
     
  6. JuanPeron

    JuanPeron Member

    Jul 16, 2005
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    St. Vincent and the Grenadines
    Didn't he grow up here and played a few years in Scotland and Mexico? It's like if you spent a weekend abroad you are a foreign coach.
     
  7. Scott e Dio93

    Scott e Dio93 New Member

    Jul 1, 2006
    Montevideo, URU
    I heard USSF got in-touch with Bielsa. Thats surprise.
     
  8. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    That is the point. Unlike, say, Bora's 1994 team [where there was little choice as to who to choose], our Managers now have sufficient talent to draw from so as to have the power to choose a style of play they want from the team [as opposed to just getting functionality out of a given jumble of parts]. Their choice affects not only who is chosen for the team, but even among those chosen what aspects of their game they are to emphasize or required to deemphasize. Bradley would not have known what to do with creative, skillful players such as Tab Ramos, Claudio Reyna, and John O'Brien [or Mathis, for that matter] simply because he chose a style for which there was no natural fit for them [just as he really did not know what to do with Feilhaber or Torres]. If we are going to develop the playing level of the national team we need Managers who choose a style that encourages and nurtures that development, not dismiss it!
     
  9. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Bielsa had Chile playing very well.... I guess I'm not surprised that he would be one person they would contact. I would be very surprised if he was the only one.
     
  10. Scott e Dio93

    Scott e Dio93 New Member

    Jul 1, 2006
    Montevideo, URU
    The surprise is going for more attacking minded coach:)
     
  11. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lol. Touche' :)
     
  12. galaxyfanz

    galaxyfanz Member

    Oct 6, 2006
    steve nichol?
     
  13. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is crazy

    Bradley did know what to do with Feilhaber. In fact, Feilhaber consistently played better with the USMNT than he did with his clubs. Feilhaber owes a lot to Bradley. Bob stuck with Benny when his club situation was terrible. Feilhaber saw time at the World Cup and did a good job.

    Bradley was fine with skilled players. Who were all these skilled players that struggled under him?

    Torres wasn't ready yet for international play and he even said in interviews he was still adjusting to the level of play. Bradley's system wasn't what held Torres back.

    We can sit here and talk about Clark and Torres in the Ghana game. Those were questionable decisions. But it's making stuff up that he didn't know what to do with skilled players. It's laughable. Donovan, Dempsey, and Bradley were the best players on the team and they all played well at the World Cup. Bob's system got the most out of our best players.

    It's also nonsense that Bradley was a "defensive" coach and we need someone who attacks more. We always seemed to create enough chances. The finishing should have been better, but the offense was there.

    If anything we need a coach who can organize a defense better. Our entire backline will have to be rebuilt and that is the top priority heading into the next cycle.
     
  14. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As soon as you wrote "This is Crazy" you blew it. The point has nothing to do with whether or not Bradley kept him on the team, and how this compared to how the idiots at Derby County were treating him; it has to do with Bradley never really knowing what role Feilhaber should have within Bob's scheme, never really knowing how to make use of Bennie's strengths in a midfield that would always be anchored around Mike. Bradley had the same issue with Torres [and, before him, Adu]. The one midfielder who aspired to a more skilled, control of ball, game for which Bradley had a soft spot, and gave most chances to in terms of trying to integrate him into the squad, was Klejstan. The least able of the bunch. This says something about Bradley's other foible, a tendency for personal favorites/dislikes independent of what he brought to the team. But that foible is not the issue here.
    Again, it is not that Bradley didn't have eyes to see what a player like Feilhaber or Torres can bring to the table [as I'm sure he could also see for our earlier generation of Ramos, Reyna, and O'Brien], it is that he could not see how to mesh them into his choice of style of how the team should play.
    And it was his choice, not one 'forced' by being stuck with a collection of "this is all there is" 11.
     
  15. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    Big mistake. His "bunker ball tactics would put BB to shame.....make Bradley look like he was Brazilian in comparison.
     
  16. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    You're referring to Stevie Nicol, right?? :D
     
  17. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    The name in the thread title.....
     
  18. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, Dom....Sorry, should have realized it. It's just that after watching the Revolution this year it seems that each game becomes a desperate reenactment of the battle of Bunker hill.
     
  19. asdf2

    asdf2 Member+

    Oct 11, 2004
    San Francisco
    Kinnear made an attacking central mdfielder out of a back up striker named DeRosario and turned him into one of the best players in the history of the league. He put Holden himself in that role and traded for the talented but slow reject Brad Davis and made him great too. He was an attacking CM himself from what I recall of him on the nags and his MLS days.

    He's a great coach, honest, smart, would be honored to take the job and the players like him and he's a winner.

    I think he'd be a great USMNT coach .
     
  20. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    LMFAO...!! his road "tactics" are as negative as you'll ever see anywhere.....clowns like him will be the death of MLS.
     
  21. asdf2

    asdf2 Member+

    Oct 11, 2004
    San Francisco
    He's got a good eye for talent too. Has been his own GM. And he's an attack minded coach. He's not a bunker coach by any stretch.
     
  22. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    I've watched his Houston teams at FCD for years....he wrote the book (actually stole it from Greece 2004) on negative, low pressure, bore the crap out of everyone "tactics"....on top of that he's a tool.
     
  23. Ganapper

    Ganapper Member

    Apr 5, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the national level I don't care if the team is boring as long as we win.
     
  24. asdf2

    asdf2 Member+

    Oct 11, 2004
    San Francisco
    Kinnear has 4 MLS champ rings. Includes 2 as Yallops asst on a team he helped build. I disagree on tactics. He attacks. He likes a 442 with a diamond mid, 2 attacking wide mids and 2 strikers.
     
  25. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    Disagree....but if you get your wish be prepared to be really, really bored to death....he'd make Greece 2004 look like f'in Spain compared to what the USA would look like....
     

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