I was wondering which teams have allocations due as of today? Aside from the highly-valued YSAs, [Dallas/Chicago] I couldn't find a list of these anywhere. [Subquestion] I know that the YSAs are supposed to trump other allocations, [i.e. those given in compensation for a sold player] but does anyone have a sense as to the order of precedence for said allocations? Thanks in advance!
Re: Ryan Nelsen Do you have league confirmation on the Nelsen allocation? If so, do you have a link? Thanks.
I appreciate the input, kuhnscoot. But perhaps I should clarify: What I'm looking for are league confirmed, currently existing allocations, rather than speculative, "likely to become" allocations. I'm also looking for some sort of order of precedence in the allocations. [i.e. KC can't exercise their allocation for Preki until Dallas exercises their YSA allocation, for example.] Thanks again, and if you happen upon the info, fill us in, kuhnscoot!
Supposedly the league will issue a list soon (per Wilt). They failed to do so before 2004, the first time since 2000 they hadn't. somewhere said that the expansion teams will have the top allocations. off the top of my head RSL: 3 allocations CDC: 3 allocations CHI 3: Beasley & Bocangera (Beasley one is larger $$$, Bocanegra one planned for Callabero), 2004 YS CLB 1: McBride DC 1: Convey MET 0: none NE 0 or 1: had 2 (Nowak and likely Hernandez) but used 1 or both against the cap this year, not sure if 1 is left COL 0: none yet DAL 2: Etcheverry (for Adu), 2004 YS KC 0: none yet LA 0: maybe one for Bo SJ 0: posssibly Donovan plus any new ones given out for retirements or players going to Europe(Spencer, maybe Nelsen/Stewart, etc) top of the head guess, put together from various reports
I've looked pretty hard. League confirmation doesn't exist. But my list should be right. The order is speculative. I'd say the YS are always first. the 2003 likely before the 2004s (not sure if I remember that one). Usually they use the draft order IIRC for the non-YS allocations. Bottome line: That info isn't out there published, I'm pretty sure. I asked Fire GM Wilt and he thinks it'll be released soon.
Re: Nowak Allocation The understanding in Chicago was that the Nowak allocation was retained by Chicago, which was then traded for the draft pick that became The Legendary Scott Buete. Where did you get the NE-Nowak Allocation info? Thanks again for the input...
Gibbs was the 2003 YS edit: note this post quotes the one below, a little bug i've seen lately BigSoccer!
Re: Nowak Allocation what info? NE did get it back on draft day for a draft pick. the original nowak/ne trade and return of allocation had so many conditions i don't think we want to go there i'm not sure what you're asking about. before this season Nichol or someon in management told some local fans that they planned to use 1 or both of their allocations against the cap, that's the lastI heard
Re: Nowak Allocation According to Sunil Gulati, the Revs were only able to use "some" of their allocation against the Cap this year, and still had the Hernandez allocation available. As far as I know, that is all we have left to use, although if they jettison some salaries, they should be able to bring in some decent players.
If Preki retires, KC gets an allocation. It's a fact. To the best of my knowledge, it has no relationship with any other allocation.
Re: Nowak Allocation is any of the Nowak allocation left? I mean - does this still allow a player acquisition just not expensive? or is it just the Herndandez allocation out there. this is the first case I know of of an allocation being used against the cap
Sam, thanks for your input, BUT: Once again, we're looking for identifiable news regarding currently existing allocations. We're not out looking for speculation regarding "ifs" and "maybes" as they pertain to allocations. Since Preki hasn't retired yet, [to the best of anyone's knowledge here] you're posting speculation rather than fact. At this point, the "Preki allocation" hasn't come to fruition, because [as of the moment I type these words] Preki is still an active player in MLS. We can put up an "Allocation Speculation" thread, where we ask each other "if Player X retires or is sold, would [insert the name of your favorite MLS team] get an allocation?" In that same thread, we can post whatever credible or incredible statements about allocations that haven't yet come to be. But we're not putting together that thread. It would be informative to separate the truth from speculation... Let's keep it to verifiable fact, not "maybe" or "if." Thanks...
Re: Nowak Allocation For some reason I had it that the Nowak allocation went elsewhere... You're certain that it went to NE?
Re: Nowak Allocation We traded the Nowak allocation to NE for the draft pick that netted us...sigh...Scott Buete.
take it easy on a veteran here. His point is that Preki has clearly been labeled as an alloction-worth retirement (KC kept his allocation when trading him to Miami way back) and there's an even chance of a retriement. But I agree it's ok to put speculation in another thread. But really now that it's the offseason, it's much of the same issue. I came asking this same question last offseason. And was disappointed that it took piecing together several sources to create my own list. For those out there wondering what allocations were out there in 2004 that were used, my list is DAL YS 2003 (Giibs), CLB YS 2003 (Sanneh), LA Cienfeugos (Kirovski), MET Howard (Sergio Galvan Rey), MET Mathis (Glen), part of 1 NE at least (Nowak per above towards the cap). 2003 pre-season was last published list.
Re: Fact v. Speculation Hey, I thought I was pretty easy-going, but if you can't separate fact from speculation.... We all know that Preki has been one of the best players in MLS, and his retirement would likely lead to an allocation for KC. But to post this isn't really news. Nor is it really analysis. [yet] If/when Preki does actually retire, then the resultant allocation could be included into a list of allocations. Actually, my hope was that someone with good info on the allocations could give us some fodder for speculation at a later time; What I wanted to avoid was an amalgamation of fact-finding and speculation to where the terminally dumb cannot separate the two.
Re: Fact v. Speculation i understand. but at this point, i think you have all the fodder you're going to get. so from here on out there is nothing to do but speculate until MLS decides to release a list
FC Dallas has TWO Allocations in Hand. One: You Suck Allocation for 2004 and one for our willingness to bend over and trade away the 1st pick in the Super Draft last season so DC could "draft" Freddy Adu. (An allocation which the team could not use this year by the way although it looks like we may be able to use it for next season.
What is the priority on these allocations in the event several clubs are interested in the same player? Isn't it something like: RSL Chivas You suck Chicago YS Dallas etc?
something like that, i'll check to see how they used to put the leftover year old allocations in the order, i'm not sure where the other 2 expansion alloctions per team will go. I doubt it's an issue for Chivas if they're going to send up MFL players. don't imagine other teams will be allowed to interfere