In light of the discussion on the goal celebration elsewhere in this forum and the comments of Juan Aragones about Theirry Henry, I have to ask of my White European brothers and sisters... Where exactly do you draw the line? What does it take for something to be termed racial abuse in your eyes. If someone called me a Black piece of shyte as Aragones did Henry, they'd have a fight on their hands. ARagones, as people always do, immediately talked about how many Black friends he has and how it was just a joke etc. But even most White Americans wouldn't do or say something to that effect and not expect a confrontation. It was interesting reading the differing opinions on the goal celebration of the Brazillian who celebrated in front of the Japenese club's bench with faux karate chops. The Europeans thought it was ok, the Asians didn't. I'm curious what it takes, in the eyes of a White European, for something to be termed racist because obviously it's a much different standard there than it is in the US. Does it have to be a banana, or the use of the N-word or calling a west Asian a "paki". Why are monkey sounds at a soccer match acceptable and not considered racist but spitting on someone as what happened to Robbie Russel in Norway not? Are certain words ok but others not? Help me understand this, I'm really curious.