WC 2006 Qualifying

Discussion in 'CONCACAF' started by IASocFan, Sep 30, 2003.

  1. JG

    JG Member+

    Jun 27, 1999
    Probably for travel/financial reasons they did not want to match up the small caribbean teams with Nicaragua and Belize in the first round. It does seem strange that Nicaragua/Belize automatically get to play Pot C opponents.
     
  2. StymieG

    StymieG Member

    Sporting KC
    United States
    Oct 9, 2000
    Jacksonville, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't want to turn this into yet another "is the draw rigged?" conspiracy theory thread, but I do want to ask you one question, and then I'll leave it alone. Please tell me, before the draw is made, what will be the outcome? Either specifically or generally, but preferably as specific as you're willing to be. Thanks.
     
  3. eldiablito

    eldiablito New Member

    Jun 8, 2000
    in Sagy's shadow
    Official word regarding 4th spot

    http://www.fifa.com/en/display/mrel,73248.html

    It's official now. The 4th placed Concacaf team will face the 5th placed Asian team for one of the 32 spots for the World Cup in Germany 2006. This is good news for Concacaf.
     
  4. gohb

    gohb Member

    Apr 27, 2001
    Re: Official word regarding 4th spot


    Anything can happen, of course, but if history is any guide, this should be a walk for CONCACAF. They have a clear plus score against Asian teams in World Cup competition.
     
  5. Thomas Flannigan

    Feb 26, 2001
    Chicago
    Thanks for the link, eldiablito.
    I don't know what the draw will be, and it might actually be fair and random. On the other hand, it might not be. Voros posted a chart here some time ago showing, at least to me, that Haiti and Cuba did not belong in pot d, based on FIFA rankings. If we end up with either of them at least you were warned. I await tomorrow with great interest.
     
  6. eldiablito

    eldiablito New Member

    Jun 8, 2000
    in Sagy's shadow
    Hey, just because you're paranoid--it doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :)

    In all sincerity, I would think both Concacaf and FIFA would be very disappointed if USA was to be eliminated early.

    Hey world traveller Tom, did you also happen to notice that besides Haiti and Cuba both being the best teams of the 20 possibilities; they are also the two least desireable travel destinations?
     
  7. Gordon

    Gordon New Member

    May 6, 2002
    Saskatoon, SK
    As was posted on the voyageurs board when Candian fans were worrying about the same thing: Any team with pretentions of making the world cup should not be worried about beating Haiti or Cuba.
     
  8. RalRhino

    RalRhino New Member

    Jan 28, 2001
    North Carolina
    Agreed!!

    In fact, I would rather see the USA play one of these two instead of Montserrat, Antigua, etc. A game against a bottom rung Caribbean team would provide no indication of the US teams' strengths/weaknesses heading into group play. Especially if that Group play involved Honduras, Canada, and Guatemala. And I beleive the risk of being eliminated in a home-home series with Cuba or Haiti is still essentially zero.
     
  9. Mglnbea

    Mglnbea Member

    Jun 26, 2001
    Northern California
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Official word regarding 4th spot

    I'm going to play around with this in my mind for a bit. First off, the only CONCACAF team I care about qualifying for Germany '06 is the USMNT. Now, let's consider the top two Asian qualifiers for 2002, which were Saudia Arabia and China and say they do it again in 2006. Let's also throw in the automatic qualifiers in 2002, (because they were hosts) Japan and South Korea. That leaves the 5th and 6th place Asian teams in 2002 as Iran and UAE.
    Now, Iran defeated UAE in a home-and-home playoff to become the fifth place Asian team, but they did not qualify for the WC because they (barely) lost a home-and-home with Ireland, 0-2 and 1-0.
    So, let's say, in the worst scenario, that the US finishes fourth in CONCACAF and has to play either UAE or Iran (OR THE EQUIVALENT STRENGTH TEAM)for the final spot.
    Completely forget the political situation/ramifications, just the sporting/soccer ones:
    Winning away, even drawing, would be extremely difficult because I guarantee there will be a full stadium of home support (100,000 if in Iran--very Azteca-like atmosphere, except for the altititude; I'm not familiar with the stadium sizes in UAE). This would create a one-game, win at all costs, situation at whichever home venue in the US that USSF deems appropriate.
    If it came down to that, well, what do you think would happen???
    (Then again, it could be against Macao or Brunei so what am I worrying about?)

    BTW, does Australia/Oceania fit in the Asian scenario somewhere?
     
  10. RalRhino

    RalRhino New Member

    Jan 28, 2001
    North Carolina
    CONCACAF Draw Results

    I'm guessing we're up after Oceania...
     
  11. RalRhino

    RalRhino New Member

    Jan 28, 2001
    North Carolina
    USA vs. winner of Grenada/Guyana
     
  12. Ender

    Ender Member

    Sep 5, 2003
    Radnor
    I am booking my flight to Germany now.....
     
  13. eldiablito

    eldiablito New Member

    Jun 8, 2000
    in Sagy's shadow
    Re: Re: Official word regarding 4th spot

    To answer your last question first, No. Oceania gets one half slot to fight for among Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, Tonga, and a few more islands one is usually not familiar with. The winner of that half-spot plays against the 5th placed South American team for 1 of 32 world cup spots.

    Now regarding Concacaf: I understand your sentiment regarding the US, but because all Concacaf teams showed well in j/k2002, the region received an extra half spot this time. Therefore, qualifying is, theoretically, easier this time around. One has to be top 3 to qualify outright, but 4th place out of 6 hexagonal teams, still receives a very good chance of qualifying.

    You can worry about that team being Iran if you want, but that is highly unlikely. Asia's qualifying structure last time was flaky due to having two co-hosts. Iran ended up in the same group as Saudi Arabia (bad luck). China cruised over an extremely weak group. The structure of Asian qualifying this time around, allows more for the cream to rise to the top. It's possible Iran will be 5th place, but more likely possibilities are Iraq, Kuwait, or maybe China. I guess you can start worrying about Iraq now. ;)
     
  14. RalRhino

    RalRhino New Member

    Jan 28, 2001
    North Carolina
    Group 1
    Grenada/Guyana vs. USA
    Group 2
    Bermuda/Montserrat vs. El Salvador
    Group 3
    Haiti/TurksCaicos vs. Jamaica
    Group 4
    Brit. Virgin/St. Lucia vs. Panama

    Group 5
    Cayman Is/Cuba vs. Costa Rica
    Group 6
    Aruba/Surinam vs. Guatemala
    Group 7
    Antigua/Neth. Antilles vs. Honduras
    Group 8
    Canada vs. Belize

    Group 9
    Dominica/Bahamas vs. Mexico
    Group 10
    US Virgin/St. Kitts vs. Barbados
    Group 11
    Dominican Rep/ANguilla vs. Trinidad
    Group 12
    St. Vincent vs. Nicaragua
     
  15. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Group 5
    Cayman Is/Cuba vs. Costa Rica

    This looks like the most intreasting group. Gotta figure that Cuba will get by the Cayman Islands.
     
  16. Manuel_Medina

    Manuel_Medina New Member

    Oct 14, 2003
    México/USA
    Haiti/TurksCaicos vs. Jamaica <-- I find this group the most unfair...

    Since, to be honest, Haiti it's one of the top 10 teams in CONCACAF and well, on that group you're gonna loose one of the top 10 teams in CONCACAF (either Jamaica or Haiti) which really sucks...
     
  17. Lowecifer

    Lowecifer Member+

    Jan 11, 2000
    Baltimore, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Hell, Turks & Caicos could pull off a nice twin killing.
     
  18. beachesl

    beachesl Member

    Oct 21, 2002
    Mendoza, Argentina
    UGLY AMERICANS AND MEXICANOS, REST EASY!

    I don't think our American or Mexican friends have to worry about not being in the top 3 of the hex, much less making it. Over 10 matches, their depth will come to the surface (it's not "any given Sunday").

    All the other CONCACAF "contenders" have to worry about making it to the hex in the first place, and Costa Rica and Jamaica have to worry about making it to the Groups of Four, as Cuba and Haiti will be tough. Then in the hex, we'll be fighting for third alone, with fourth as the consolation.

    Japan and China will make it to the top four of Asia, as will South Korea if they manage not to be suprised by Vietnam in the first round when they leave out their Euro stringers overconfidently.

    If I go to Baghdad, Tehran, Djakarta, Pyongyang, or Riyadh to watch the playoff in November, 2005, (if Canada be so lucky) , you can bet I'll be having an equivalent of my
    "NO SOY GRINGO, SOY CANADIENSE!"
    tee-shirt printed up in the appropriate language.
     
  19. Concacaf

    Concacaf New Member

    Feb 13, 2001
    Nürnberg, Germany
    If the USA, Mex, or CR cant get thru with their D squad thru this qualifiers hey have no place in the world cup.
     
  20. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: UGLY AMERICANS AND MEXICANOS, REST EASY!

    What's Arabic, Farsi, Indonesian, and Korean for "There's a difference?" ;)
     
  21. Fulham9

    Fulham9 Member

    Mar 14, 2002
    Houston, Texas, USA
    It will be in Burnaby, for crying out loud.
     
  22. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    WC Qualifying CONCACAF - Analysis pt. I

    Thought I'd give a quick run down of how all of the matches stack up throw my little math toy of a system designed to predict such things.

    Listed will be the matchup, and the chances of victory according to the system.

    Grenada v. Guyana = Grenada 83%, Guyana 17%
    Grenada/Guyana v. U.S.A. = 1%/0% respectively, 99%/100%

    Bermuda v. Montserrat = 100%, 0%
    Bermuda v. El Salvador = 3%, 97%

    Haiti v. Turks & Caicos = 100%, 0%
    Haiti v. Jamaica = 21%, 79%

    St. Lucia v. UK Virgin Isl. = 100%, 0%
    St. Lucia v. Panama = 15%, 85%

    Cuba v. Cayman Isl. = 99%, 1%
    Cuba/Cayman Isl. v. Costa Rica = 10%/0%, 90%/100%

    Suriname v. Aruba = 99%, 1%
    Suriname/Aruba v. Guatemala = 6%/0%, 94%/100%

    Antigua & Barbuda v. Netherlands Ant. = 66%, 34%
    Antigua & Barbuda/Netherlands Ant. v. Honduras = 0%/0%, 100%/100%

    Canada v. Belize = 93%, 7%

    Dominica v. Bahamas = 96%, 4%
    Dominica/Bahamas v. Mexico = 0%/0%, 100%/100%

    St. Kitts & Nevis v. US Virgin Islands = 0%, 100%
    St. Kitts & Nevis v. Barbados = 43%, 57%

    Dominican Republic v. Anguilla = 99%, 1%
    Dominican Republic/Anguilla v. Trinidad & Tobago = 1%/0%, 99%/100%

    St. Vincent & Grenadines v. Nicaragua = 68%, 32%

    Biggest 1st rnd mismatch: Haiti v. Turks & Caicos
    Most competitive 1st rnd match: Antigua & Barbuda v. Netherlands Ant.
    1st rd team with best chance of making the semis: St. Kitts and Nevis
    Easiest 2nd rd draw: Trinidad & Tobago
    Biggest favorite to reach semis: Mexico

    St. Kitts and Nevis is the best chance of a cinderella. They not only have a legitmate shot at the semis, but an outside shot of even making the hex. (They have beaten Barbados recently, and have wins over T%T and SV&G in the last five years) That would be MASSIVE for their country.

    I'll try and handicap possible semi groups in a bit, but I'll just mention that it's obvious which group is shaping up as the group of death.
     
  23. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    So if form holds and there are no major upsets, the semifinal groups should be:
    Group 1
    USA
    El Salvador
    Jamaica
    Panama

    Group 2
    Costa Rica
    Guatemala
    Honduras
    Canada

    Group 3
    Mexico
    Barbados
    Trinidad
    Nicaragua

    That group 2 is going be fun to watch. Although you've pretty much eliminted 2 of the top 8 teams in CONCACAF from that group alone.

    Sachin
     
  24. Manuel_Medina

    Manuel_Medina New Member

    Oct 14, 2003
    México/USA
    sucks, Mexico will have the easiest shoot at the final hexagonal :(
     
  25. Concacaf

    Concacaf New Member

    Feb 13, 2001
    Nürnberg, Germany
    If there was one team i didnt want Costa Rica to meet was Honduras. All of these teams have given Costa Rica hard times during qualifiers.

    Here the record. (w-l-t)

    CR vs Canada: 1-1-2
    vs Honduras 3-7-7
    vs Guatemala 7-4-4
     

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