WashPost: Gazza Decision Close

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  1. geordienation

    geordienation Moderator

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
  2. Damon_D.

    Damon_D. New Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    MD
    Pull the trigger Ray!

    You've come too far and strung us Gazza supporters too far not to. It'll be worth it for the ticket sales and publicity alone!
     
  3. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    This article reads as if the discovery slot issue is totally moot. Interesting.
     
  4. Kenobi

    Kenobi Member

    Jul 11, 1999
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, all that talk about the league interfering in personnel decisions, and no mention of the finagling required to actually sign somebody. One would assume something's gonna have to happen for DC to sign him.

    On a side note, more injuries!?! Just what we frickin' need.
     
  5. 79United

    79United Member

    Apr 10, 2000
    SW DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very interesting. I expect a flurry of activity over the next few days climaxing with the signing of Gazza by the end of the week. Discovery player who?!?!?

    TS.
     
  6. CHICO13

    CHICO13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2001
    SECTION 135
    Club:
    The Strongest La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Hasn't this season been all about hurry up and wait? First Moreno, then Reyes, then Daglish, then the Brazilians, then Q2, now Gazza. I'm sending Ray my bar tab at the end of season. ;)
     
  7. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Welcome to the military. ;)
     
  8. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Come on Huddie, pull the trigger
     
  9. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the tripper is finding a team to make a deal with, and deciding what he wants to give up to get Gazza.
     
  10. Topo

    Topo Member

    Feb 15, 2001
    At this rate, we'll sign him just in time for him to be injured. Then, we'll have even less depth and we'll end up playing Dennis Ludwig and Justin Mapp in defense or something.
     
  11. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think at this point if the other teams in the league don't want to play, I'm certain that the league is working on something. I mean, can you imagine the egged faces should DC not be able to sign Gazza, when both sides want to, because another team won't trade with them - the league would become a world-wide laughing stock. Certainly we can give up our next two discovery picks to make this one now.

    I mean did we have to use a discovery pick to discover Q2? No. Come on MLS, remove the thumbs from your asses.
     
  12. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He'd cost league max.

    http://www.soccertimes.com/mls/2002/jul30.htm

    "If Hudson and United technical director Dave Kasper make the decision they want Gascoigne, the league office would have to sign off on the deal. Reportedly, the financial details have already been worked out for a contract running through the end of 2003, which would pay the player the league maximum of $260,000 next season and a pro-rated portion for the remainder of this year, approximately $80,000, maybe even less."

    Still want him?
     
  13. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What if the league really doesn't want him but doesn't want to state that publicly? The way they prevent the signing is by not stepping in to get us the discovery slot we need knowing that without that, we can't sign him.

    The league looks good because it appears to have let the team's front office make the decision when in fact, all it did was hamstring the team.
     
  14. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, he's worth far more than that
     
  15. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not at those prices. :(
     
  16. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    F+++ing Wankers
     
  17. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bryan:

    I don't care what he's worth, I care what DC United can afford to pay.

    Let's assume that the team salary cap is $1.8 million next year. If Gazza gobbles up a league max $260,000, and players like Moreno, Etcheverry and Pope are in that neighborhood, too, that's a million dollars already gone. Kinda hard to build a solid roster of players under that fiscal scenario.

    Of course, Ray could be planning on some major roster changes in the off-season that might create some cap space. But, to me, signing a guy who'll be 36 next year to a league max salary would be a huge gamble for this team.
     
  18. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly, it is nothing personal against Gazza. on a personal level I would love to see him give it a go here. However I would consider it bad business to give him that kind of money, with the salary cap restraints of this league.
     
  19. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ammann salary will be cleared allowing us to bring in two 75k players or 3 50k, that alone will give us greater flexibilty in our offseason dealings. I understand your concerns, but I was making a statement about his worth from a world wide perspective. The guy was man of the match in several games last year in the Premiership before going to a first divsion side, and he is reportedly in better shape now than he was then. What are we going to do, score less? For the cash freed by Ammann we could bring in an underrated defender and a 2nd striker, preferably a target forward. I would expect Dante Washington or a player of his caliber to add depth at forward for us next year.
     
  20. dcuinvermont

    dcuinvermont New Member

    Sep 8, 2000
    Burlington VT
    On the salary issue I expect that Moreno may get a "tale less or leave us" contract next year, and that they'll want to "renegotiate" with Pope as well. Benny may also be asked to play for less for a while.
    With MLS dropping players salary is always an option :(
     
  21. slacker

    slacker Member

    Nov 20, 2001
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gazza to replace El Diablo?

    If the report on a league max salary for Gazza is true, it suggests to me that this is definitely Etch's last year, and that Hudson would like to have Gascoinge step in as playmaker for a year while we develop or acquire a suitable long term replacement for el Diablo.

    BTW, does Etch still make league max? If he does, then why would Gazza not be worth this?

    But when Etcheverry took a paycut I seem to remember that it was going from a figure that was substantially over league max (400K?) down to around 200K? Or where the reported figures including endorsements, and not just salary? Does anyone have a better memory for this than me?

    Also, in addition to clearing Amman's near 100K salary room for next year, who knows if Moreno is in Hudson's long term plans given his chronic injury problems. That's another huge chunk of change.

    I suspect that Ray will be actualy given the opportunity to really make this "his team." Thus some of DCU's sacred cows will be gone next year - my prediciton is Etch and possibly Moreno - I still think that Pope is here for keeps, and Convey and Quaranta for the foreseeable future. I would also expect that Reyes, Olsen and Nelsen will also be back. And probably ABMOD also.

    Even though Hudson has praised Etcheverry and Moreno's quality, they have not really been effective and reliable team leaders for the past two years now.

    Just a hunch, but look for Hudson to try to bring in another proven and healthy forward in the off-season to replace Moreno.

    So the idea of having Gazza for next year at league max is not really a huge problem, IMHO, given the direction that Hudson is likely going anyway.
     
  22. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With Ammann off the books, that will free up money. I would not cry to see Etch retire as well. I love Etch but it seems his heart is no longer in it. Right now though those moveas have not been made. So a this point it would have to be considered a poor financial move, until the whole scope of it is revealed.
     
  23. andylovesoccer

    Sep 2, 2000
    Asheville, NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Etcheverry said he was quitting at the end of the season. Something about his voice always being hoarse from complaining to and about the refs. Plus, we get cap space back for Amman. I don't have a problem switching out Etch for Gazza. Etch seems to have lost his desire to play, whereas Gazza is looking to rebuild his reputation and finish his career on a positive note.

    I don't see Moreno going anywhere. He has too much left to give to the team, if he can get healthy.
     
  24. Stuart

    Stuart New Member

    Oct 13, 2001
    Miami
    Initially, I got the impression that it was Ray/DC that would be deciding if Gazza joined, but reading these links it sounds like it is the league that doesn't want Gazza, but Ray does (he was after him for the Fusion, too).

    I think it would be great for DC and the league to get Gazza. Not only will he generate excitement locally, but will also raise the league awareness elsewhere, for what Ray refers to as the price of "salt of a peanut" (cute).

    It seems a win/win situation to me. If he plays crap and is no better than the rest, then it sends the message that the league is better than others realized; if he plays great, then the league benefits by getting a crowd-drawing player for almost nothing. If he goes on a bender, then the league fires him... its not that that would cause the league any terminal embarrassment. Sometimes you just have to take risks, especially with so little to lose.
     
  25. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Get I get an Amen from the congregation?
     

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