Vieira charged by F.A

And the paranoia continues ...

http://www.soccernet.com/england/news/2002/0903/20020903afcvieiracharged.html

http://www.football365.com/All_News/Breaking_News/story_39641.shtml

 

After the first yellow you could read Vieiras lips. Expletives galore. At that point I knew D'urso was going to look for any excuse to give a second yellow and he did. Vieira than cussed a streak again. Misconduct charge is unwarranted but surprising? NO

 

Viera Vendetta

Now I know that Viera tends to throw it about a bit, much less than he used to mind you ie. spitting on people while kicking they're legs from underneath them, but this is getting ridiculous.

At best Viera deserved one Yellow on Sunday from what I saw.

 

Almost every player throws a few F-bombs the referee's way after every call! How do I know, because I can actually read their lips during the close up after a foul. Players tend to be dismissive and abusive to the referees in general. Why single out Viera? Because he had the nerve to question the double yellow! It's the FA's way of saying - never question the referees!

 

Spare the pity for someone who deserves it.

The fact that the vast majority of players who break this rule go uncharged does not mean that it isn't a rule anymore. Whether or not he deserved the 2 yellows is irrelevant. He swore at the ref and now the ref's calling him on it. End of story.

 

Come now gents, are any of us really that surprised at this?

One would think we'd have grown accustomed to being ************ed by the FA regularly.

I can't get too worked up about this (and I suggest some of you chaps follow my lead) because it's become so commonplace to be singled out and treated harshly that it would be abnormal if we weren't bitch slapped.

What can you expect really from an organization that's run by a turncoat Scotsman?

Adam Crozier, from Hells heart I stab at thee.

 

Not surprising in the least. Vieira is a marked man and D'Urso seems to be at the centre of a lot of controversial incidents these days.

 

I beg to differ. You shouldn't defend someone just because they wear an Arsenal shirt. Should I say that it was right for Wiltord to stay on even tho I feel he should have been sent off twice on Sunday. I'm not saying fox point fury is right. During the camera shot of Vieira arguing his red, the back of his head is to the camera. It didn't look like he said anything bad when he was shown the first yellow. For the most part he was saying "What is this for" and "I was going for the ball".

 

Over the last year and longer we have defended Vieira to a fault. When he "cleaned up his act" he became a better and more influential player, hence the captians arm band. When a player knows or should know that he is a marked man than he should change accordingly. At this point we know that the FA will watch closer therefore we need to be a touch more careful.

No one said this doesnt suck, its more of an "I told you so."

 

One arguement I will give is that Leeds is a dirty team, on and off the pitch. Alan Smith, for one, runs his mouth more than any player I can think of yet there appears to be limited repercussions. The FA is seldom investigating a Leeds player for words said to an Official. Why? I dont know, I have limited information on the politics of the FA. Chelsea is another and they get away with alot of physical play. I believe it starts with a media outlet and the accusations snowball from there. Arsenal are in that ball.

 

I don't care if ya'll think it is whining or "defending the undefendable" (it's not like I'm defending Roy "I'll elbow you in the head if you piss me off" Keane). Handing down suspensions for "abusive language" is ridiculous. If they are being abusive on the pitch, hand them a yellow for dissent but don't wait until the next day to claim bad language. What I see is a referee that didn't like the post game comments and decided to "get" Viera.

And yes, I think consistency is the key. Want to stop bad language on the pitch, card every single player that drops an F-bomb! Maybe harsh at first but if applied evenly then everyone should get the picture rather quickly.

Language is generally the least of my concerns on the pitch, I'm much more worried about two footed tackles and other thuggery that doesn't get punished unless committed by certain teams! Consistency and clarity is the key to good refereeing!

 

The Telegraph says Vieira's the first to get rung up by the new FA rule that punishes players for using bad language towards officials.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ma...s04.xml&sSheet=/sport/2002/09/05/ixsport.html

 

Just because Wenger blindly defends his players does not mean that he is right. Your last couple of posts have been absolute cobblers. If one of your players commits an offence then he should be punished, period.

As for the FA clamping down on bad language, it seems to me that Vieira has been singled out because of his past reputation for getting into trouble with referees. Firstly, there was ample scope for dealing with this offence, it has been in the rulebook for years that foul and/or abusive languauge is punishable by a yellow card. If the referees have chosen not to implement this rule in the past, it's their own fault that players use industrial language on the pitch and I have no sympathy for them. Secondly, if they did caution everyone who used bad language towards the referee, I doubt there would be anyone left on the field at the end of 90 minutes. As a game cannot continue of a side goes down to less than 7 players, I fear we would have a lot of abandonments!

 

I agree that if players are cautiioned for every "f-bomb" than a great number of matches would be abandoned. I see players called for the foul and as they run from the play they curse and argue but they at least give the perception that it is not directed at the official. Paddy walked up to D'Urso put a finger in his face and dropped his "f-bombs" at point blank range. TWICE! He brought entirely too much attention to himself and now the team has to pay.

 

It didn't look like he cursed at all after the first yellow card. After the second, his back was to the camera so you couldn't make out what he said. For all we know he could have asked for a cup of tea(tho I doubt it).

 

Defending a player after a physical challenge (i.e. saying "No, that was not a studs up two footed hack.") is different than defending a player for "comments on the pitch." One, is more obviously turning a blind eye (which always irks me about Arsene's "I didn't see the play" comment), whereas the other is questioning the judgement of the referees and much more subjective. Perhaps a player with a rep like Viera, Keane, A. Smith, et al. gets busted for saying "Ref, that was a crap call." whereas someone like Rio Ferdinand can say "Ref, you are a F------ W-------!" and not get punished. I've seen more than enough yelling at the referees to say that the only ones getting punished are those players with a rep!

As for game abandonment due to double yellows for dissent, I doubt it would happen. There may be a slew of yellows in the first game, but after that players and managers would cope. These people are supposed to be professionals (sure they play a sport) and I don't know about your work places but language like that is frowned on at mine!

 

If Wenger had a policy of saying that discipline is an internal matter, never commenting on his players discipline in public and then dealing with matters that would be fine. But to suggest that he should defend his players whatever they do is ridiculous and frankly, it would tarnish the reputation of our club. Even Ferguson had to admit that Keane deserved to go the other day after elbowing McAteer and Keane will accept it because he will know better than anyone that he did warrant his red card. I hope that Wenger is more intelligent than to blindly defend his players just because he wants to foster a 'them against us' mentality in the camp.

 

Originally posted by DEREK WHITE
I really can not believe you people I was just on the
Arsenal World message board and these people at least realise that this stinks.No one there comes out with a statements like fox fury.

I've always prided myself on my originality...

I have seen the comments on here about how Arsenal will perform this season well if we continue to have unjust decisions made against us we won't.If Arsenal fans are happy with this situation then don't complain and blame Wenger for our poor discipline later in the season.

Personally, I agree with Revelation that suspending a player for swearing is silly, but the rule is on the books. It's not like the ref and the FA colluded to sneak it in there last night, so I don't see how it's unjust.

Please explain your notion that the current enforcement of the rules will lead to poor discipline later in the season. Also, why do you suppose that the fans will blame AW for this instead of the player(s) in question?

Just because we are continually treated unfairly and badly by the F.A does not mean we should accept it.

http://www.football365.com/You_Say_We_say/Football365_Opinion/story_39723.shtml


If we as Arseanl fans do not sing from the same hymn sheet and let the F.A know how we feel you can be sure the tabloid press and sky sports won't.Roy Keane was sent off on Saturday for elbowing Jason McAteer and to their credit the Man Ure fans defend their captain.

To their credit? People gain respect in your eyes for supporting untennable positions?

If our captain ever reads any Arsenal associated web sites I am sure he would like to see people defend him not make him into the enemy.He may feel that he would be better off at another club who would appreciate him and what he offers the team

If Paddy does indeed read bigsoccer he knows that I love him and so do most people around here. A player with as much pride and passion as he has wouldn't consider submitting a transfer request because some nobody on the internet called him on a tiny little thing he did wrong. That behaviour would be childlike, and I have enough respect for him to believe that he's above that.

Being an Arsenal fan means taking the flak the lucky tag the boring tag but it also means defending our own not helping him to the gallows.I am sure I will get some interesting comments but when you have stood on away terraces and sat in away hovels then you are used to the abuse.

Help him to the gallows? Come back to reality.