What are the chances of Madrid getting in for either of these two now that Steven Gerrard is a definite no? Arsenal don't seem to want to sell Patrick Vieira, but Juventus is still trying. Anyone think that Madrid might jump in at some point and hijack the bid? He could be the kind of player that Madrid need in the back of the midfield. Ballack is more offensive minded, but he could do equally well. I'm surprised there hasn't been more on him leaving Bayern, as he only has one year left, has said he'd like to play outside of Germany, and Bayern can't or won't offer him huge money to stay. I'm just a bit surprised these two aren't getting a bit more discussion regarding Madrid.