Various Ultras political leanings

Discussion in 'Italy' started by Dante, Nov 10, 2004.

  1. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Binghamton, NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With the Livorno-Lazio match looming tonight, here is a recap on how the ultras of each team "vote".

    RIGHT: Inter, Lazio, Roma, Juventus, Ascoli, Verona, Padova, Triestina.

    LEFT: Livorno, Milan (30% right), Atalanta, Fiorentina, Perugia (30% right), Ternana, Ancona, Modena.

    IN THE MIDDLE: Bologna and Brescia (50% right, 50% left).

    NEUTRAL: Lecce, Reggina, Sampdoria, Chievo, Siena, Parma, Cagliari.

    Source: La Stampa
     
  2. pingudoDELETED

    pingudoDELETED New Member

    Nov 17, 2003
    Santa Cruz
    very interesting stuff. I didn't know teams would be so political initaly
     
  3. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    It's the fans of the teams, not the teams.
     
  4. RandyNA74

    RandyNA74 Member

    Jun 9, 2004
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    And more specifically, the "ultras," or organized fans.
     
  5. bobarino

    bobarino New Member

    Feb 11, 2004
    U.S.A.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Do all ultras sit in the curva?
     
  6. RandyNA74

    RandyNA74 Member

    Jun 9, 2004
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I cannot think of very many ultras groups that don't sit in the curve, but there was at least one in Naples. So it isn't exactly 100% but extremely close...
     
  7. BarcaFan

    BarcaFan Member

    Nov 14, 2004
    London
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    shouldn't it be illegal to mix politics with sports?
     
  8. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    :rolleyes: Arrest them all!
     
  9. BlueGoblin

    BlueGoblin New Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    Rome
    Lecce is left...
    Juventus is not really right is more indifferent...

    A.S. ROMA MERDA
     
  10. dela

    dela New Member

    May 14, 2004
    on the right flank

    boo hoo ;)
     
  11. Denzon

    Denzon New Member

    Jan 29, 2004
    Hannover
    hmm , i've seen enough graffitis around delle alpi , to declare the gobbos as right wing .
     
  12. Gioca

    Gioca Member

    Jun 13, 2004
    Hartford
    Club:
    US Città di Palermo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How about the Sicilian teams?
     
  13. RedskinComrade

    RedskinComrade New Member

    Jan 6, 2005
    Sicilian Ultras

    Sicily
    Right-wing
    Catania (Ultras Ghetto, Drunks, South Boys etc.)
    Palermo (Brigate Rosa Nero and Warriors etc.)

    Acireale and Messina ultras are apolitical (neutral).

    BTW, Black And White Fighters (Juventus) are definitely far right.
     
  14. Duck Manson

    Duck Manson Member+

    Feb 8, 2005
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    ultras in italy are extreme. by that i mean that they feel they should have powers they shouldnt have. the infighting among The Black and White Fighters throughout the years are absolutely rediculous. now they arent united at all from what i understand, which i guess is okay. that they, all ultras, vent their religious, political and racial standings at soccer games is just pathetic. its sports. period. to demand the dismissal of a coach is one thing, but to display any kind of racist banners should be punished severily and they should never be allowed to attent sporting events again.

    i have a favorite though. for the people in the north, they dont regard south italy as worth much at all.. so when Napoli eventually get back into Serie-A and travel to northern italy, expect the ultras to bring back the

    "WELCOME TO ITALY, SOUTHERNERS"

    :cool:
     
  15. RandyNA74

    RandyNA74 Member

    Jun 9, 2004
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    This is so fvckin' old it's ridiculous. I hope you are being sarcastic in your "praise" of this crap. :rolleyes:
     
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  16. Duck Manson

    Duck Manson Member+

    Feb 8, 2005
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    duh
     
  17. RandyNA74

    RandyNA74 Member

    Jun 9, 2004
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Considering there has been worse posted in this place, had to check...
     
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  18. AmericanRosanero

    AmericanRosanero New Member

    Dec 11, 2004
    St. Louis, Mo
    Palermo is to the right?

    Interesting. I wonder how far...
     
  19. MiamiAce

    MiamiAce New Member

    Jan 12, 2004
    Miami, USA
    I think in today's world, as in past eras as well, it is unclear and inadequate to just label "left" or "right" on an indivdual, group, or organization. For example.. you listed Lazio and Roma ultra fans as "right", but those fans are really different in political terms. Lazio ultras are labeled "right-wing" because of historical fascist leanings, hence this picture of Di Canio "saluting" his supporters after netting the opening goal against Roma ...

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    Whereas Roma fans are labeled "right-wing" because they are conservative. And fascism is something entirely different than conservativism. In "left-wing" category, Livorno, Modena, and Ancona are labeled such because many of their ultras are socialist leaning. But Milan and other are labeled "left-wing" because of liberal leanings. Again, liberlism and socialism is entirely different. Also, the president of AC Milan (which you listed as "left-wing") who just resigned a couple of months ago after his 19-year reign was the conservative Prime Minister of Italy. Anyways, teams really do have fans with diverse backgrounds, I never agree with the generalizations.

    This guy is a nut...

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  20. RedskinComrade

    RedskinComrade New Member

    Jan 6, 2005
    Lazio's ultras are not labeled "right-wing" for any historical reason. They are labeled right-wing because they've been well-known to display Nazi flags and anti-Semitic banners. A very small group within the Curva Nord are anti-fascists but the vast majority are fascists.

    Of course labeling any group one way or the other is not entirely accurate but there's nothing wrong with it.

    As for Roma, the Curva Sud is very diverse. From far-right to far-left.

    In Milan there is an agreement of sorts to ban politics from Curva. Most groups lean one way but everyone is officially apolitical. I wouldn't say that those who are left are mainly "liberals" either. I know other Redskins in Milan.

    "AmericanRosanero:
    Palermo is to the right?

    Interesting. I wonder how far..."


    I don't think very. Destra as opposed to Estrema Destra. :)
     
  21. Javi10

    Javi10 New Member

    Nov 11, 2004
    What about Udinese? I have heard most of the Friuli fans are tilted strongly to the left.
     
  22. RedskinComrade

    RedskinComrade New Member

    Jan 6, 2005
    I don't know a great deal about Udinese ultras in terms of politics but they are definitely not left-wing.

    The Nord Kaos (1989) are right-wing. I'd imagine any other groups are the same or apolitical.

    If you're talking about the regular fans and not the ultras that's a whole other story... ;)

    EDIT: Could you tell me about Universidad's barra in a PM?

    Nombre del Grupo:
    Sitio Web: http://www./
    Año:
    Política: (Ultra)Derecha/Izquierda/Apolitica
    Alianzas:
    Rivales:
    Curva/section of the stadium: Norte/Sud
     
  23. BlueGoblin

    BlueGoblin New Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    Rome
    what??A.S. Roma ultras are not left,they are exreme right almost like S.S.Lazio...In particular the Boys,As Roma ultras and other several groups.They only ultras group that is left wing are the fedayn...
    Lazio and Rome ultras are all with the same "politics idea".
    This situation is very bad for rome....
     
  24. Battigoal

    Battigoal New Member

    Jun 20, 2005
    Utras Italy.
    Right Wing:
    Lazio, Roma , Inter , Juventus , Palermo , Udinese , Verona , Ascoli
    Piacenza , Bari , Salernitana , Catania , Napoli 70% others neutral.
    Como.

    Left Wing: Atalanta , Genoa , Cosenza , Ancona , Torino , Fiorentina ,
    Perugia , Milan 70% left 30% right, Brescia , Pistoiese , Modena , Empoli, Venezia.

    Neutral are: Sampdoria , Lecce , Parma , Vicenza , Luchesse , Siena , Cesena , Messina , Bologna ,

    Friendships : Lazio , Fiorentina , Verona , Inter , with Parma.

    As Roma with Udinese and Palermo.

    Atalanta with Sampdoria Cagliari Venezia.

    Napoli , Genoa Ancona Cosenza Fiorentina Pescara are together a large group.

    Torino with Fiorentina.

    Juventus and Piacenza has too good relations.

    Thats what i know.

    But who,s often the winner isn,t it that there are referees who are fans of right wing clubs in let they win or is it not based on the orientation of one group ? It seems for me that Right Wing clubs are always the winners.
     
  25. FCBasel1893

    FCBasel1893 New Member

    May 7, 2003
    Basel, Switzerland
    You missed the most radical left-wing fanbase in the world: AS Livorno.
     

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