USMNT and the Regista

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Pragidealist, Jan 9, 2020.

  1. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    One of the very few solid points from the OPer. Progress.
     
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  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Would have to say the player who is best at receiving the ball under pressure is---
    Keaton Parks. NYC play on a small pitch, on which Parks does a great job in a possession oriented team.
     
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  3. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    thanks. I’ve always thought that Bradley was very good at positioning and anticipation - he sits behind the primary defender and cleans things up. His specific one on one defending was sub-par as he’s never had particularly quick feet which he offset with a constantly running motor.
     
  4. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    where do you think range falls into this metric? The last bucket?
     
  5. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Exactly. His ability to cover ground was immense. His major weakness in 1v1 defending. He was a traffic cone in that regard.
     
  6. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Range?
     
  7. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    how much defensive ground one covers, if that makes sense.

    I think range is a function of speed, fitness and anticipation
     
  8. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    What do you think is keeping Parks out of camps?
     
  9. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    If you're referring to the different types of CMS then it's important in all modern mids. Even players like Pirlo and Xavi covered immense amounts of ground. At the '10 WC, Xavi lead all players in 'high activity' minutes, per match.

    https://indyweek.com/culture/archives/world-cup-2010-numbers/

    Last season was his first as a full time starter
     
  10. Pragidealist

    Pragidealist Member+

    Mar 3, 2010
  11. Pragidealist

    Pragidealist Member+

    Mar 3, 2010
    I am going to start thinking you are my wife in disguise. I often said I got married to control my ego and she does a wonderful job.
     
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  12. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
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  13. Pragidealist

    Pragidealist Member+

    Mar 3, 2010
    My guess is timing. He fought for minutes last year with NYFC early and by the time he was established it was passed a point where they had time to break him in. Then this spring there was work and confusion about what team he was on- as he moved to NYFC.

    That's what I am hoping- the other possibility is that he doesn't have the defensive side yet that they think even Yueill, Bradley and Trapp have.
     
  14. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    Yueill had 5 assists in his best year. Pirlo is strained. If the 6 is basically the 10 then 5 assists is not enough.

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019...-jackson-yueill-i-see-big-european-future-him

    looks like he fits the role and ramps up to international ball better than

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020...ire-keaton-parks-midfielder-transfers-benfica

    Setting aside that I question the whole concept, Yueill is hitting longer passes like the coach wants, and he's trying to place shots in the very corner as opposed to power them past the keeper. That "levels up" better.

    I also can't tell from this how well Parks mops up, which to me is even more important.

    I agree with the poster saying Parks does seem prepared to play in small spaces, both dribbling and his passing seems more dink and dunk anyway. This is a missing element on a supposed possession team. Hitting home run balls is less possessive. One thing we need is people -- plural -- capable of playing keepaway doing simple 5 yard passes.

    We should probably have as many as 3 of this type on the roster so I am not sure why it's either/or. Neither Bradley nor Trapp even belong out there. Heck, Trapp just got traded to expansion Miami. What does that tell you.
     
  15. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I'd be curious to see the full list of declined invites for January camp.

    We know Guzan, Miles and Hyndman (who isn't so dissimilar from Parks) were held back by Atlanta.

    We know Richie Ledezma opted to stay in Europe.

    But what about Richards? Gloster? Parks? You could see it -- Parks is also on a CCL team that doesn't really have strong Team USA ties, especially with Claudio gone.

    But it would interesting to see who made the original list.
     
  16. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    How would you compare the job Yueil did with USMNT v.CR to the job Brandt did at Dortmund in their 5-0 win over Berlin today? If we were to take a forward like Brandt and make him the mid who connects defense and offense, who would it be for USMNT? I was thinking Sargent? He would need to be a dribbler. How about Reyna? The idea would be to forget about the old, slow, Pep/Berhalter approach and go for the shortest distance between two points/ bee-line approach of a Brandt.

    what do you think? Scotch the old slow Regista?
     
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  17. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Who plays the DLP for Sheffield United? There’s a team that is playing well above the sum of its parts
     
  18. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Oliver Norwood. Strong C'ship player who successfully made the transition to the PL. Played with D-Will.
     
  19. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    thanks. Is he a regista who is responsible for a lot of the distribution or more a DM?
     
  20. Pragidealist

    Pragidealist Member+

    Mar 3, 2010
    So I had to finish my write up.

    http://positionalplayscholar.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=562&action=edit

    I think they can get more playmaking, regista type of work out of the other mids after watching that game. I didn't watch that Dortmund game. Just too many options on the weekends. ;-)

    But I think Ferreira did some of what you're talking about. I think most interestingly in this last game was the box midfield with Llegett and Aaronson playing deeper than I thought they would. With the full backs providing the width, they got the wingers into the halfspace instead of the CAM's. This allowed LLedgett and Aaronson to make plays with their passing and not have to with their dribbling. It a lot of what they want out of that DLP role.

    I don't know if they can do that against better teams and push the fullbacks high so often. But with Mckennie and Adams in those mid roles who can cover defensively very well that might work.
     
  21. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Haven't watched him this year, but his style has been that of a modern DM.
     
  22. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Look at that: the light bulb has switched on.
     
  23. Pragidealist

    Pragidealist Member+

    Mar 3, 2010
    Still saying they need the role - don’t get too excited
     
  24. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Oh, I too think the role is needed, but not in the form not of a specialist dlp.
     
  25. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Can someone explain something to me?

    a lot of the discusssion here about playing a regista and a possession style starts with our ability to beat a bunkered team. In fact we have many posters who think this is less important vs. World Cup level teams as we won’t be facing a lot of compact defenses then.

    so if our challenge is beating compact countering teams, how did we score the highest amount of goals in the hex? Isn’t because we trounced lesser teams at home (where our opponents are more likely to bunker)?

    it is true that we already are great at beating lesser teams who bunker?

    then we can have an argument about why a possession system is better at getting results at hostile crappy fields away. I’m assuming that the stats show that Mexico has a long history of destroying these opponents away if possession was the key to doing so.
     

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