USL PRO ATTENDANCE 2014

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  1. Macsen

    Macsen Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 5, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmm, still no numbers from Richmond.

    We have a lot of weekday games this week, and not just against MLS reserve squads. The Rhinos end their opening road trip at Chicago this afternoon, and Orlando visits Dallas tomorrow night. Then Harrisburg visits Orange County on Thursday night. Chicago visits Charlotte and Los Dos visits Arizona on Friday night.
     
  2. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Attendance: 2,523
    http://www.richmondkickers.com/home/803112.html


    Also, LAGII is reporting 435 for their game against the Blues.
    http://www.lagalaxy.com/news/2014/0...ing-ways-3-1-victory-over-orange-county-blues





    *awaits discussion on another decreasing Los Dos attendance number*
     
  3. Macsen

    Macsen Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 5, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We've already discussed it to death. We all agree Los Dos doesn't care about attendance.
     
  4. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh I know, but that doesn't mean BigSoccer wont want to talk about it again... ;) :p
     
  5. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Division 3

    Code:
    11.7% of year complete
    Year     Avg    Median    %<1K    %>3k
    2005    1730     1756    20.0%   10.0%
    2006    2004     1624    10.0%   30.0%
    2007    1937     1666    27.3%   18.2%
    2008    2039     1843    18.2%   36.4%
    2009    1851     1842    10.0%    0.0%
    2010    1668     1279    28.6%   14.3%
    2011    2602     1867    12.5%   25.0%
    2012    2382     1388    40.0%   33.3%
    2013    2572     2270    31.6%   36.8%
    2014    2325     2523    26.1%   39.1%
    
    Median-33%: 1682
    Median+33%: 3364
    <MED-33%: 10 / 43.5%
    >MED+33%: 7 / 30.4%

    Interesting numbers already. Despite five LAII home games, we so far have the best median and best >3% ever. OKC, Rochester and Sacramento have yet to have a home game. It's a very lopsided schedule to start the season. Still basically way too early to tell anything, but there's certainly some things to be hopeful for.

    Lots of games this week, including OKC and Sacramento home openers.
     
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  6. Macsen

    Macsen Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 5, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. leftout1

    leftout1 Member

    Mar 15, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan

    Are the numbers for the previous years also for the corresponding 11.7% or for year end? IMO, medians are nice, but the AVG is the most important number. That should bump up this week with the home openers (especially since Sacramento is looking at mid-teens).
     
  8. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In case you want to see this borne out, here are last year's "road draw" numbers:

    Team..............................G..Total..Average
    Seattle Sounders FC Reserves......1..10,697..10,697
    Montreal Impact Reserves..........1...5,406...5,406
    New York Red Bulls Reserves.......1...4,287...4,287
    Dayton Dutch Lions...............11..34,817...3,165
    Toronto FC Reserves...............1...3,104...3,104
    VSI Tampa Bay FC.................12..36,977...3,081
    Los Angeles Galaxy Reserves.......1...3,000...3,000
    Houston Dynamo Reserves...........1...2,988...2,988
    Phoenix FC Wolves................12..35,627...2,969
    Los Angeles Blues................11..32,274...2,934
    Charlotte Eagles.................12..32,432...2,703
    Wilmington Hammerheads...........11..28,931...2,630
    Orlando City.....................12..31,412...2,618
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds...........11..28,461...2,587
    Richmond Kickers.................12..29,710...2,476
    Real Salt Lake Reserves...........1...2,386...2,386
    Harrisburg City Islanders........12..27,196...2,266
    Antigua Barracuda FC.............26..57,983...2,230
    Charleston Battery...............12..26,499...2,208
    Vancouver Whitecaps FC Reserves...1...2,135...2,135
    Rochester Rhinos.................12..23,253...1,938
    Colorado Rapids Reserves..........1...1,899...1,899
    Columbus Crew Reserves............1...1,621...1,621
    Chicago Fire Reserves.............1...1,336...1,336
    Portland Timbers Reserves.........1.....292.....292

    Now, you tell me...were people just dying to see VSI Tampa Bay, or did the fact they played in Orlando twice skew their numbers? And is Orlando - the best team in the league (along with Richmond) not a team people want to see, or are they mathematically hurt because they don't get to play any road games in the stadium that draws, on average, the most fans? Are people really more than three times as interested to see the Charlotte Eagles play on the road than the people in Charlotte are? Did Dayton draw more than 4x its home crowds on the road because people just had to see Dayton, or because they benefited from not having to play road games in Dayton, where nobody goes to games?
     
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  9. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All the numbers are helpful to the conclusions we can draw.

    Actually, the most important number is the one we will never get: revenue.

    At the end of the day, that's all that matters.
     
  10. ManuSooner

    ManuSooner Member+

    Nov 15, 2007
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you
    Are you including reserve games in your comps? I have 27.3% of games being played in front of <1,000.
    Maybe I'm missing something. I have 22 total games, with 6 of those <1K
     
  11. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have 24 total games, missing figures for 3/30 Dayton at NYRB and 4/7 Sacramento at Chivas.
     
  12. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For that chart, I'm only displaying 11.7% (or nearest under as all seasons aren't the same # of games) for all seasons. I should have included the final numbers for all previous seasons as a separate table, but forgot to this time. I'll make sure to include them next time so we have an idea of what good numbers are to shoot for.
     
  13. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hm. I have 26 total games, missing those same two figures. 23 games at USLPRO venues, and 3 at MLS Reserves, the two you're missing and one at FCD.

    Here's the 23 USLPRO games I have

    Code:
    3773    Sat, March 22, 2014    1    7:30 PM    Orlando City SC    1-1    Charleston Battery
    1259        2    10:30 PM    Orange County Blues FC    1-3    LA Galaxy II
    3524    Sat, March 29, 2014    3    7:30 PM    Richmond Kickers    2-2    Charleston Battery
    5028        4    7:30 PM    Pittsburgh Riverhounds    1-1    Orlando City SC
    1085        5    10:30 PM    Sacramento Republic FC    1-1    LA Galaxy II
    591    Fri, April 4, 2014    8    7:00 PM    Dayton Dutch Lions    1-0    Charlotte Eagles
    3507    Sat, April 5, 2014    12    5:00 PM    Pittsburgh Riverhounds    1-3    Richmond Kickers
    4776        9    7:30 PM    Rochester Rhinos    1-3    Orlando City SC
    3256        10    7:30 PM    Harrisburg City Islanders    0-0    Wilmington Hammerheads FC
    1221        11    10:00 PM    OKC Energy FC    2-0    Orange County Blues FC
    525    Mon, April 7, 2014    13    10:30 PM    OKC Energy FC    2-4    LA Galaxy II
    1026    Fri, April 11, 2014    15    7:00 PM    Rochester Rhinos    1-1    Dayton Dutch Lions
    712    Sat, April 12, 2014    16    7:00 PM    Richmond Kickers    1-2    Charlotte Eagles
    3902        17    7:00 PM    Wilmington Hammerheads FC    4-3    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    4826        18    7:30 PM    Charleston Battery    0-1    Orlando City SC
    638        19    10:00 PM    Sacramento Republic FC    1-2    Orange County Blues FC
    2888        20    10:10 PM    OKC Energy FC    4-0    Arizona United SC
    588    Sun, April 13, 2014    21    6:00 PM    Sacramento Republic FC    3-0    LA Galaxy II
    2674    Fri, April 18, 2014    23    7:30 PM    New York Red Bulls Reserves    1-1    Charleston Battery
    2523    Sat, April 19, 2014    27    5:00 PM    Pittsburgh Riverhounds    2-2    Richmond Kickers
    1711        24    7:00 PM    Dayton Dutch Lions    1-0    Harrisburg City Islanders
    3014        25    10:10 PM    Sacramento Republic FC    1-2    Arizona United SC
    435        26    10:30 PM    Orange County Blues FC    1-3    LA Galaxy II
    
    I don't include reserve games held at the reserve team's venue.

    Here's my logic -- one of the purposes of this is to give us some vague sense of the healthiness of the league and teams. MLS reserve teams aren't part of the USLPRO, so they aren't important for that measure. I realize that it's kind of arbitrary, but with MLS reserve teams only playing 2-3 games, it doesn't make sense to me to include them. It does make sense to include LA since they are playing a full home-away season like the other USLPRO teams. I guess I need to include that disclaimer in my posts because someone's sure to ask farther down the line.:)

    For my spreadsheet I copied all games from the USLPRO Schedule pages.

    I also have 6 games at <1000. There are 14 teams, and they'll each host 14 games = 196 games.
     
  14. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I include everything, but allow you to make up your own minds about the conclusions to draw.

    Who am I missing? There have been 26 games played, by my count, but I'm missing two figures. I have 24 others. I will include the Dallas game of 4/15 because I have a figure for it.

    But you're free to do whatever you like.
     
  15. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK. We have the same thing, but were just stating things differently.

    And I see now why I didn't include the Final Previous Seasons numbers... I quit because work got busy. And because I got frustrated with how many teams failed to report attendances. Now that I'm between jobs, I'll try and find the time to get last year's numbers.
     
  16. Bubba1971

    Bubba1971 Member+

    Nov 12, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Note:

    The last LAG II game was played at the same time as a CUSA game, so parking wasn't free like it normally is. ACB parked at their bar across the street, but many people avoided the stadium.

    That number is most likely an outlier and the LAG II number should go up from here.
     
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait, what happened with jobs? And did I not give you what I had for last season?
     
  18. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :) I got a new job! Last day at Vertex, April 17. First day at Texas Health and Human Services, May 1.

    I've looked through my files and I don't see one from you from last year. Also checked my email and don't see anything. But I did sort of drop off the map end of last season.
     
  19. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, literally between jobs.

    You know how people say "I'm between jobs at the moment" when they mean "I have no job and no prospects?"

    I'm glad that's not you. :)

    I'll send it if I haven't.
     
  20. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. ManuSooner

    ManuSooner Member+

    Nov 15, 2007
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah but they're more interested in their academy than selling tickets
     
  22. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This weekend's game in OKC v. Orlando City has been sold out. I received an email yesterday about it.
     
  23. ManuSooner

    ManuSooner Member+

    Nov 15, 2007
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So that will be 3471 at the OKC game. When does Sac have their first home game?
     
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  24. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thats great to see from OKC.
    First 3 home games are at Hughes Stadium starting this Saturday along with May 3 and May 17. Then they move into their stadium June 7th..
     
  25. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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