They’ve been questioning southgate long before these euros. including friendly callups. sound familiar?
An occassional friendly, which is what that was. Mexico is in the olympics, we arent. In fact we havent been to the Olympics since 2008, while Mexico won in 2012 and is in the medal round currently. Mexico has gone 6 wins 2 draws and 1 loss since 2009 in meaningful games, although the US has won friendlies in 2021 (thanks to a saved penalty), 2018 and 2015. No one need remind anyone that of the last 24 finalists of the champions league, 19 have been from Mexico, 2 from the US, 2 from Canada, and 1 from Costa Rica. Sure, we had a friendly win this year. But yes, this is a VERY one sided rivalry for at least the last dozen years the facts are absolutely clear and clinging to a squeaker of a win in what is a glorified friendly doesn't change that.
Yes, I know. The US won the Nation’s league in what is a friendly. Before that there were wins in 2013 and 2009. Otherwise it has been all Mexico. Compare to the 2000-2010 time frame.
You can't just define away an inconvenient result as a friendly when FIFA and CONCACAF officially recognize it as a competitive fixture, both teams send their first choice sides and leave everything on the field, and the fans and players treat the game as anything but a friendly.
/argument P.S. Guys (not you specifically, just in general), please let us not allow trolls to derail discussions. Especially not in N&A.
We're missing nearly the entire team except Lletget, Acosta, and Cannon. It's essentially our second 23. Whatever you would call the second 23 (not the second 11), that's what this team is, with three guys from the first/second 11. So no Pulisic, Reyna, Sargent, Weah, Aaronson, McKennie, Adams, Dest, Brooks, etc. All the big names are missing.
The Mexicans did not treat that final as a friendly. They're sure looked really, really mad that they lost it.
If you like British-styled ales flavored primarily by hops instead of the body of the malt, then yes. If you like German-styled beers, then we haven't evolved that much.
I am sure they did, but just because it was an ill tempered friendly doesn't mean it mean it wasnt more than a friendly or at best a low level tournament. I am sure they wante to make their record 7-2-1. Call me when the US wins the next five in a row to get back to an even 6-2-6 record. One match doesnt change the fact that is has been a decade and a half since the US was competitive vs Mexico. Maybe tomorrow will tell us a little more
The Nation’s league is a series of friendlies. The Conference Championship is the Gold Cup. Even if it had been a Gold Cup final (which FIFA gives a LOT more weight to in its rankings. Nations League Final is 25 points, Gold Cup final is 40), you are pretending that ONE match weighs more than a decade of consistent results. That is the definition if cherry picking. Are we saying we are better than Brazil because we beat them once in the Gold Cup? Of course not. If Mexico wins tomorrow, depending on how it goes it will be a 1-1 record with Mexico winning the most important match. If the US wins tomorrow and in both qualifiers, then there is starting to be a case to be made. But this business of holding up one match as indicative of any pattern is, um, questionable. That isnt trolling. It is stating the current relative state of the two programs. I wish the Us were better than it is, sure, but crowing based on a single result frankly smacks a bit of desperation.
The Concacaf Nations League is not a friendly regardless. FIFA requires Euro clubs to release players for it. The US, Mexico, and all teams that participated in it called up their best available "A" squads.
Dude. That was an official FIFA tournament that we both set out to win. Mexico has had their golden generation and did nothing with it at the WC level. That team is now aging out as our golden generation is here. The rest has been up and down. We owned them for a while (2-0 in the game that counted most, WC 2002). They have been up more recently. Now we seem likely to dominate the next several years.
And telling a falsehood about an official tournament is more than a bit of desperation. It’s just weird.
It isnt the confederation championship. It is during an international window so clubs release (but not for both tournaments). And FIFA does not weight it as a confederation championship. The group matches in the nations league are weighted 15 points, while friendlies are 10. The final gets the same weight as any World Cup Qualifier. (Which I suppose is also technically a world championship match). As I said, a glorified friendly that carries some more weight than a regular friendly, not not as much as an actual confederation championship. It isnt weird, it is factual in terms of the relevance of Nation’s Leagues. They were crafted as a series of friendlies to improve competition for smaller nations. so, as I said, one win in a glorified friendly. Not a confederation championship Look, I know that boosters want to make that match a be all and end all because it was one of the most awesome matches of the last fifteen years for the program frankly, but it is one match and one match only. Switzerland beat France in their last outing too. Are we going to say now that rivalry is even? Anyway nothing more to say. If you think one tight match erases every other match of the last dozen years at every level of competition, knock yourself out.
Trolling can’t change facts. USA and Mexico both went all out to win the Nations League tournament. We won it. Then Gregg gave his first team vacation and Mexico didnt because the coach and team are under pressure
As an unrelated side note, the Elo system used by FIFA. would give Mexico a 57% expected result for a generic matchup. Adjust from there as you see fit. My sense is that this match could be worth 10 points in the rankings. I will be interested to see where we land if we wi. The whole thing. Could be around 15th which isnt too shabby.
Anyway nothing more to say. If you think one tight match erases every other match of the last dozen years at every level of competition, knock yourself out.
... with players that are in every case our second, third of fourth choice at each position. I will be thrilled if GB and our B-C-D team pulls this thing off tomorrow, no matter how second-rate they look to some people.
It has become apparent to me over the past week or so that beer is a very important part of your life. A very good complement to your soccer addiction.