United States presidential election, 2008 [NSR]

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  1. FLFootballFan

    FLFootballFan Member

    Apr 18, 2007
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    Fair enough. Each person with its opinions. That's the beauty of a free country. As far as Obama, if he's elected, he is either going to revolutionize this country for the common good, or he's going to be the biggest fiasco in the history of presidential elections. Which one will it be? Time will tell.

    And about the people who live in Florida, you must be against democrats because you're putting in those people in that comment as well as there has been a humongous shift in amount of registered democrats in the state balancing out much more the political spectrum.
     
  2. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    That was taken out of context and he was being overly gracious to her. And that really crystalizes the tenor of the campaign: Biden says something nice about Hillary and it gets more coverage than Palin or McCain lying on camera about their record.

    How is Biden complimenting Hillary news?
     
  3. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    FL, you know as well as I do (as a former resident of Florida) that from a political standpoint, Florida is a disaster.

    They blew 2000. They almost blew this democratic primary. They always report amongst the highest levels of voter irregularity and other election day issues.

    I still remember when Janet Reno ran for Governor, and had to go to the polls three times before the machines were running properly enough for her to vote!

    Aside from Ohio (where CRAZY irregularities occur every time), these things just don't happen as frequently in other states...

    Most Floridians I know are ashamed of how embarrassing the state's electoral system is.
     
  4. FLFootballFan

    FLFootballFan Member

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    I never said otherwise.......we the people are not at fault for that. Blame the govt. Earlier comments were directed at Florida's people...being religious fanatics...etc etc....Unnecessary comments in my opinion. Much more could be said of states such as California, New Jersey, New York and Massachussets
     
  5. FLFootballFan

    FLFootballFan Member

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    It could very well be so, but you know very well how much people in the Democratic Party wanted her either as VP or even straight up the nominee over Obama
     
  6. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
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    dont you guys think that the election of the running mates, made one candidate more popular than the other?


    a good president need a good team around, the choices from now on are as important as the way they believe in crucial themes for the country.
     
  7. FLFootballFan

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    I do think is important. The choice of Palin clearly energized McCain's campaign and its supporters.
     
  8. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    el mundo mediatico nos dio esta semana una vision de la gobernadora de alaska.

    muy bien.... pero quien es el electo por Obama????
     
  9. FLFootballFan

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    Apr 18, 2007
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    Un se'nor que lleva como 30 a'nos en el Congreso por el estado de Delaware. Ha intentado varias veces ser presidente pero sin nada de existo. Inclusivo empezo como candidato por el partido Democrata para las elecciones de este a'no en el cual el junto a los otros candidatos criticaron a Obama por inexperto y no apto para tal posicion. Tambien es amigo de McCain en algun momento dijo que no le importaria tener una formula presidencial con el. Se le abona mucho que tiene mucha experiencia en el ambito de la politica exterior ya que ha sido el lider de varias comisiones del senado en las cuales se discutin temas de seguridad mundial. Es Catolico pero esta a favor de la "libre decision" para abortar o no abortar.
     
  10. ryu79

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    Ademas de ser el miembro del congreso con mayor experiencia en temas de relaciones internacionales, Biden tambien ha sido un campeon para las causas de mujeres. Su contribucion mas grande a los Estados Unidos fue una ley que protegio mujeres a el abuso domestico.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden
     
  11. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    parece mas calificado que Obama!

    lastima que la ola mediatica se fue con los lentes de palin!!! en serio vieron que hasta el tipo de gafas que usa es el mas solicitado en las tiendas del pais?

    a lo que me referia es que la prensa: radio y tv se volcaron sobre la gobernadora y muy poco sobre el congresista de Delaware....por lo menos en los ultimos 10 dias
     
  12. FLFootballFan

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    aja...y la ola mediatica por los ultimos 14 meses ha estado arrodillada a la merced de Obama......
     
  13. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    sera que los republicanos cambiaron la ola mediatica a 48 dias del Martes que cuenta?


    pues estamos a vuelta de la eleccion!!!
     
  14. FLFootballFan

    FLFootballFan Member

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    pues lo que se es que esa vieja le dio mucho impulso y a Obama se le ha perdido el impulso que llevaba...........
     
  15. MrPaisa

    MrPaisa New Member

    Jul 17, 2007
    Madison, NY
    lo que se es que esa vieja no sabe que es nada, no sabe ni que es el bush doctrine. Si eligen a Sarah Palin a la vice presidencia, este pais se ira al basurero. Por que? Ustedes es que no ven lo que pasa en Wall Street. LEHMAN BROTHERS IS GOING BANRUPT! Bear Stearns. gone, soon Lehman and what next? We need a president not a hockey mom. What is more important to conservatives? Bashing gays, owning guns and praying or having money in your bank account and not living in a country where the economy is flushing down the toilet? Do Republicans see, or they even understand, why major companies are jumping ship in Los Angeles and New York and moving to Beijing and India? We are living in a nightmare! Sarah Palin has a degree in journalism from the University of Idaho and 3 years ago was the mayor of some Podunk town in Alaska? How is she going to solve our economic issues? How will she fix social security, health care? Why would conservatives vote for someone's mom, this woman will be a heartbeat away from the presidency. I cannot believe these people would vote for someone with NO understanding of national security, economy, war, anything....
     
  16. FLFootballFan

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    That same argument can be said about Obama....which is why this election is so interesting. And about Lehman Brothers, the government cannot bail out every business that goes bad. What's next? the airline industry? the car industry? You need to let some companies fail in order for better ones to emerge. It's the nature of the system we live in.....unless you want your money paying for the bad decisions of corporate executives. We can't afford to pay for all of the Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's of the world....
     
  17. ryu79

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    1) Obama has more experience on absolute terms, and that experience dealt far more with the economic issues facing the nation today.

    Obama has nearly TWICE the years of experience as an elected official as Palin. The bulk of that time was in the Illinois State Senate, but during that time he passed laws that are very relevant given the current economic climate including the Illinois' Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program, which established a $100 million Earned Income Tax Credit for working families, increasing child care subsidies for low-income families, and requiring advance notice before mass layoffs and plant closings. The Washington Post has a terrific article summarizing Palin's experience as mayor of Wasilla, and notes that her great accomplishment was construction of a hockey rink.

    Obama has more experience as an elected official at this stage of career than JFK or Reagan did.

    For anyone that missed it the Post article on Palin's tenure as mayor of Wasila is enlightening (and scary):

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy....html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2008091302649&s_pos=


    2) Irrespective of experience, Obama has a plan to address the economic issues, rather than continuing the policies that brought us here

    Palin and McCain's plan is virtually identical to that which has decimated the economy and would if anything continue to benefit the wealthy rather than the ever shrinking middle class. You wouldn't know it because McCain has run several ads which deceitfully claim Obama will raise taxes on the middle class, but its just not true.

    Again, Wash Post has a great chart showing the differences

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

    Overall, the de-intellectualization and misrepresentation of positions on issues is what is scaring me most right now out of the McCain campaign.

    Even Karl Rove declared this morning that McCain's gone too far. When the devil says you've jumped the shark...

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/14/campaign.wrap/index.html
     
  18. ryu79

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    No, we can't, but what the last eight years should have taught us is that while markets create efficient outcomes, when relevant institutions don't exist to enforce regulation, moral hazard can lead to disastrous circumstances.

    The McCain campaign is lead by prominent lobbyists to both the mortgage and energy industries that pushed de-regulation in both markets that have resulted in the two biggest economic catastrophies we've had under the Bush administration. We, along with the IMF and World Bank, insist upon the implementation of regulatory institutions (not to stand in the way of the market, but to assure that markets can run efficiently) before we offer financial assistance to less developed economies, because we're afraid of crony capitalists abusing the system - we can't and shouldn't be hypocrites at home...we've all ended up paying for two painful experiments in deregulation.
     
  19. FLFootballFan

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    Apr 18, 2007
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    So if Obama is such a slam dunk candidate, why is he loosing traction in national polls? If he was "IT", shouldn't he be leading by double digit numbers especially as you eloquently claim about the Republican's party failures in the past 8 years? and if he was such a slam dunk candidate, why people from his own party questioned his capacity for president? I recall Bill Clinton talking about Obama's ideas as some sort of 'fairy tale'.

    What I do know is that both Republicans and Democrats have just pummeled Bush on his decisions and policies. So I'm still not sure how people know for sure that McCain will be 4 more years of Bush.................
     
  20. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
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    because like I said the dumb fuks in the middle of the US.... who believe the slander that McCain is putting out there(he has no answers just slander) saying Obama wants to teach preschoolers about sex , when Palin is going around shooting puppies
     
  21. ryu79

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    McCain is getting a bump based on the convention and the fact that he's gotten a free ride from the media until this weekend.

    Hoping that once the public learns how much McCain has been lying (well, atleast the reading public will have seen some version of that story on the cover of the Times, Post, La times, etc) things will reverse a bit.
     
  22. ryu79

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    I wouldn't say they are dumb. A big issue is how much info the voting electorate receives that is useful. Fox is still the most watched news channel and watching there, the red staters will never hear anything that sways them from their stance.
     
  23. FLFootballFan

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    I also think too many people watch MSNBC.....talking about slanted, it doesn't get any better than that
     
  24. ryu79

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    If anything, MSNBC needs to go MORE left. They're never going to get the right wingers that watch Fox, and they won't out-CNN CNN. From a positioning standpoint, their opportunity is to go left.

    Their problem is that they aren't committing. Olbermann is BY FAR their most watched program, and Maddow will likely keep a good deal of viewership (she's probably the most solid analyst on either side of the coin and very well studied). But they've responded to criticism from McCain's team by taking Olbermann and Matthews off of live coverage of the debates and other major events moving forward. Fox would certainly never cave that way...
     
  25. MrPaisa

    MrPaisa New Member

    Jul 17, 2007
    Madison, NY
    Conservatives are voting for Palin because she has strong values and understands the sub-prime crises. They state that businesses must fail to teach others. In other words, our economy must plummet so we can learn to be better people. Beuatiful argument. I can almost laugh watching Sarah Palin having a debate on constitutional law with Obama.

    Charlie Gibson: Mrs. Palin, how do you feel about the constitution?

    Beauty Queen Palin: I think people should take tums for those sorts of things. Imodium works well for me after a good moose burger.
     

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