Ukraine vs Russia III

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by argentine soccer fan, May 16, 2023.

  1. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    France is saying the will no longer send SCALP-EG to Ukraine. They are now at the number they need for their own purposes, according to whatever metric they use. They still make those missiles, but they are earmarked for other nations like Greece and I guess production is slow enough there won't be new production for Ukraine.
     
  2. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    And the whole reason for holding Crimea was to have a base large enough to house the Black Sea Fleet.
     
    Paul Berry repped this.
  3. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Reports coming in that the Sevastopol strike also critically wounded Col. Gen. Alexander Romanchuk (a 3-star), commander of Russian forces in southern Ukraine, and Lt. Gen. Oleg Tsekov (a 2-star), commander of a motor rifle brigade. More names are due to be announced in the morning.

    The signals intercepts and the human intelligence was excellent. Can't say the same for Russian operational security
     
    usscouse and spejic repped this.
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sevastopol was a shared Navy Base so Russia's Mediterranean fleet was already there.
     
    russ and The Irish Rover repped this.
  5. Given where their most important fleet bases are, they will be trapped and wiped out in case of war.
    They should have invested in ocean based floating naval ports.
     
  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
  7. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
  8. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    The unboxing video is going to be lit

    really interesting discussions going on about this. It seems Russian air defence can’t stop the cruise missiles. These weapons put airfields in huge danger for example because a prepped launch of aircraft could be caught in the ground.


     
  9. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ATACMS is a ballistic missile, not cruise missile.. Of course, I’m not saying that Russian air defenses are good against ballistic missiles, but it is a completely different concept. Also.. Storm Shadow/SCALP have some degree of stealth, which makes it even harder to hit, while ATACMS have no stealth, rather relying on the speed and steep angle to avoid AD.

    That being said… It’s about to get spicy on Crimea. Ukraine is telling Ukrainians to leave Crimea, even if it means relocating to Russia.. I’d assume Ukraine is hoping to get a couple non-cluster ATACMS so they can hit the Kerch.

     
  10. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Ok I had not understood that. Ballistic is even harder to stop though right?
     
  11. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Ballistic usually means high speed, so that makes it hard to intercept. But ballistic also means predictable, so that makes it much easier to intercept.

    Except that ATACMS isn't purely ballistic. It maneuvers in flight. That makes it much harder to intercept. But it's also old, so maybe Russia took all they learned from the Gulf Wars to design the S-400 beat it.

    I wouldn't bet on the S-400, personally.
     
    argentine soccer fan and RafaLarios repped this.
  12. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    My money is on the base holding Ka-52s being the first target.
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    yep
     
  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    usscouse, edcalvi, celito and 1 other person repped this.
  15. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Damn now I can’t find it.

    It was a video interview where a Russian acknowledges the social rejection by the west after his country invades and commits mass atrocities upon another country
     
  17. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    #4793 usscouse, Sep 24, 2023
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2023
    CONTINUE…??? Right!


    McCarthy vows to strip Ukraine money from Pentagon bill after Greene ‘no’ vote

    Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) announced Friday that he will strip funding for Ukraine out of a Pentagon spending bill after Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) joined conservatives in blocking the legislation from advancing earlier this week.
     
  18. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You'd have to assume doing so would result in the bill geitng even fewer votes in the House, right?
     
  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, but the House is controlled by nihilists. So to MTG that’s a feature, not a bug. It increases the chance and length of a shutdown.
     
  20. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    I just hope that the voters are paying attention to all this bullshit, voting accordingly and not doing the party line thing.

    Yeah, “You can say I’m a dreamer but (I’m hoping) not the only one.
     
  21. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Most of them aren’t voters, they’re “fans”
     
    The Jitty Slitter and superdave repped this.
  22. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the target of the ad
     
  23. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I would think that Dem ads saying that MTG runs the Republican Party, pairing this action with a few of her lunatic quotes (thereby reminding the less informed audience of who this nutter is), might convince a few independents to shy away from the crazy. At least, I would hope.
     
  24. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    celito repped this.

Share This Page