UEFA Superleague idea

Discussion in 'UEFA and Europe' started by barroldinho, Aug 3, 2009.

  1. jesta

    jesta Member

    Feb 9, 2014
    I find super league idea awful as well, but different to you, I think it is inevitable! it won’t fail simply because there is too much money involved and all big club talk against it is nothing but smokescreen.

    sad but true!
     
  2. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    The 2020 ATP Cup won't feature Tsitsipas because his teammates are unranked...
     
  3. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    It's ridiculous already that Ajax, a UEFA CL semifinalist, must go through preliminary qualification.
     
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  4. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No confederation reserves Group Stage spots for accomplishments in the previous season other than winning.

    Ajax has a club coefficient of 70.500. That's over double the next highest by a club that will be in the qualifying rounds for champions, which is 31.000 by Celtic and Copenhagen.
     
  5. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    I meant that the Dutch champion, be it Ajax or another team, shouldn't need go through qualification.
     
  6. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Eredivisie has a worse country coefficient than it used to. It's 14th in the coefficients used for 2019-2020. Five years earlier, it was 9th in the coefficients used for 2014-2015 and got its champion to start in the Group Stage. Things change. Scotland used to be high enough to get one of Celtic or Rangers start in the Group Stage and another in a qualifying round. For 2019-2020, the SPL is 26th, and Celtic will have to go through four qualifying rounds.
     
  7. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    With one club in the UEFA CL semifinals, the Dutch league should be in the top 6, not 14th.
     
  8. Because PSV and Ajax use their financial clout to skimm the best players of the rest of the league we do shit in the EL,which in turn cause the drop in coefficient rating.
    So it's a double edged sword for them. It helps them dominate the league but gradually it breaks down our overall competitiveness in Europe, thus throwing up hurdles for them to get into the money wise lucrative group fase.
    Like Johan Cruijff said: "Every advantage has it's disadvantage"
     
  9. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The coefficients are a five season sum. If they averaged one CL Semifinalist per season for five seasons, they would be ranked above 14th. For 2018-2019, England was first, Spain was second, Germany was third, Italy was fourth, Portugal was fifth, France was sixth, and the Netherlands was seventh. 32 of the the 43 points came from Ajax. Dividing by 5 clubs gave a season coefficient of 8.600. To compare, the mean for the five seasons ending 2017-2018 was 5.950. The 2.900 in 2017-2018 that was tied for 28th really hurt.
     
  10. ASU55RR

    ASU55RR Member+

    Jul 31, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY/Brno,CZ
    Club:
    FC Zbrojovka Brno
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    I would add that this happens in many European leagues outside the top 5 to some degree. While our (Czech) top 3 (Slavia & Sparta Prague + Viktoria Plzen) have in recent years typically had squads that can compete in Europe to a degree, we also wind up sending 2 small budget teams to Europa League qualifying that have inevitably sold their best players from the previous season.

    You mention PSV and Ajax, but has Feyenoord really fallen behind them financially so much? I always think of their being 3 big clubs in Eredivisie.
     
  11. Fan base wise we are on par or just behind Ajax, based on the numbers I recently saw of people watching Eredivisie matches on tv.
    Money wise were a bunch of beggars, due to decades of incompetent managerial actions.
     
  12. The Juve cvnt has shown he isnot interested in merit on the pitch, but in merit on the bank account. The fvcking creep should buy an mls team and play in a protected closed group. Not in a competitive environment.

    However, the people that were pushing for a breakaway superleague probably have realised it would be the death of those clubs without the cushion of UEFA leagues. So now they try the route of a superleague disguised as CL.

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    7 uur geleden - But speaking at the FT Business of Football Summit in London, Angelli claimed Atalanta were unworthy of their place at Europe's top table.
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    9 uur geleden - Agnelli was speaking at the FT Business of Football Summit in London and seemed to continue his push for a European Super League.
     
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  13. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    These people are disgusting.
     
  14. Roofvogel

    Roofvogel Member

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    Netherlands
    Jun 17, 2014
    Club:
    FC Groningen
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    #143 Roofvogel, Mar 9, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2020
    It's horrible and it shows the shift in the sport towards more commercialism and entitlement. We now have clubs like Spurs, Roma, and Atletico who probably feel entitled to the biggest continental league because of income, despite some of them haven't won a trophy in ages. But they tell themselves they're ''big'' because ''global fanbase'' and ''revenue''. Then we'll have clubs like PSG and Manchester City who bought their way to success. I honestly can't fathom why people, even if they know what's going on behind the club, can support that. Local fans, sure, okay, they stick to their club and I don't blame them, but these highly commercialised, globalist behemoths don't have my sympathies.

    A major contributing factor seems to be the global popularity of the Premier League, providing tremendous (main or additional) income for English clubs. The big clubs of other leagues are perhaps frightened of that and they all should be. The game is not improved if all resources slowly but surely accumulate in one league, and a handful of clubs, who got a (near) monopoly status now, from other leagues. A Super League could worsen this development and it suffocates the sport. In a Super League you'd also have big clubs losing most of the time so I don't see how that is good either. Eventually we could have only a few clubs claiming all glory and resources, more and more money to the wealthy few. This is all so anti-competition, but proponents may or will say they're doing it for competitiveness.

    Agnelli's recent comments about Atalanta do not strike me as Italy favouritism, although it could be read and interpreted that way (him preferring bigger Italian clubs to offer sustained points for the coefficient). He's the Juventus man after all, a club set to win its 9th consecutive title. Napoli did bottle it last year but it seems Juve wouldn't mind winning it for like 15 times in a row. The new Celtic.
     
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  15. Now things unfold and the impact on competitions is far worse than imagined, is this going to kill the bloated paycheque superclubs?
    Except for PSG and ManCity, that have endless resources from state funding.
    The epl world wide contracts become worthless if no matches are on display, sponsors of the superclubs get nothing in return for their money isnot going to be a selling point either.

    Let's see what remains of the superclubs after this crisis.
    Let's not forget sponsors are hit by the billions in lost trade.
     
  16. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. The article assumes the CL/EL goes on as usual. That's not a given at all with this virus. The latest views from virologists/epidemiologists is that the virus will follow the winter and thus will disrupt the starting of a new CL/EL season.
    The article also doesnot take in account the fact that the sponsor payments depend on CL/EL participation and that affects especially the top 6.
     
  18. https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/so...arned-coronavirus-cancellation-plans-21694542
    Manchester United midfielder Darren Fletcher warns that if the UEFA cancels next season CL/EL the power clubs will break away and form the superleague.
    Yeah. Right, moron.
    In this time where everything we took for granted ran into a brick wall for sure the clubs that are now going to be hammered by the virus are going to jump into a future that has now been proven to be built on swamp soil.
    In the board rooms for sure the question is going to be asked what would have happened to the club if they were now loose from the leagues and in a Superleague being shut down with salary bills exceeding what they pay now.
    This corona event has shown that that 16 clubs superleague has to cough up at least 500 million per club, a whopping 8 billion a season, but more likely 10 billion, given clubs like Barcelona etc are already in the 1 billion range.
    So what happens to that Superleague when the virus returns as experts are forecasting, or another one we have no knowledge of. Can they survive a lockdown? Can they afford to pay the clubs 8-10 billion for nothing and run the risk of having to do it again in case of another lockdown?
    No CL/EL gives the clubs at least the cushion of the league matches and income.
    If they're out there in the Superleague with no fall back to the league they're toast when that SL folds.
    Once they're in it and the threat of folding becomes clear the SL has the power to force the clubs cutting their bill to the SL. Because then they're the rats on a sinking ship that only can be kept afloat by throwing over board weight=SL club payments.
     
  19. Roofvogel

    Roofvogel Member

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    Netherlands
    Jun 17, 2014
    Club:
    FC Groningen
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Another argument against a super league is the decline of cultural differences. Right now a club like Barcelona, Juventus, or Chelsea is used to playing against teams of their own country and play by the rules and logic of what works domestically. This creates more interesting matches continentally. Clashing styles of football. For example, how will England's focus on pace and physique deal with Spain's focus on possession and technique? If the big clubs mostly take their super league matches seriously you get a more homogenized game over time, which just kills variety. It is all the differences that make the football (and Europe in general) more interesting.
     
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  20. First sign of unraveling of the self appointed superclubs:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...risis-players-face-wage-cuts-coronavirus.html
    Barcelona's quarantined stars 'at war with the club's board' after REFUSING their plea to take a 70 per cent wage cut, as coronavirus decimates the season in a country where over 4,000 have now died
    • Barcelona are on the verge of a wage row during the coronavirus crisis
    • Spanish clubs are being asked to temporarily slash wages to secure futures
    • The standard cut rate is 70%, which Barca's playing squad has baulked at
    • President Josep Maria Bartomeu is looking to strike a more favourable deal
    • Barca will be harder hit by the crisis after spending badly in recent seasons
     

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