UEFA Euro 2024 Draw Thread

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  1. BarryfromEastenders

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    Jul 6, 2008
    #1 BarryfromEastenders, Nov 21, 2023
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    The draw will take place at 12 p.m. ET / 5 p.m. UK on Saturday, Dec. 2.

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    The winners of the three playoff paths, which are to be played in March, will all be in Pot 4 too.

    UEFA will hold a draw on Thursday 6 a.m. ET / 11 a.m. UK to determine which one of three Playoff B teams -- Finland, Iceland or Ukraine -- will have to take part in Playoff A, which will in turn create the fixtures based upon ranking.

    Path A: Poland, Wales, Estonia

    Path B: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Israel

    Path A or B: Finland, Iceland, Ukraine

    Path C: Georgia vs. Luxembourg, Greece vs. Kazakhstan

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38950490/italy-pot-4-euro-2024-finals-draw-december-2
     
  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    How have Italy ended up in Pot 4? That’s the one Pot 4 team nobody will want. Ditto the Netherlands and Croatia in Port 3.
     
  3. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Poor qualifying campaign. None of the teams in pot 4 could win more than half their games.
    A few others did the same in higher pots but didn’t lose as much.
     
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  4. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    This explains the seedings.
    We were the joint 4th best ranked team in qualifying -



    Full chart -

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  5. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
  6. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Of the countries in Pot 2/3/4 the last time we played them.
    Pot B
    Hungary - 2022
    Türkiye - 2016
    Romania - 2021
    Denmark - 2021
    Albania - 2021
    Austria - 2021

    Pot C
    Netherlands - 2019
    Scotland - 2023
    Croatia - 2021
    Slovenia - 2017
    Slovakia - 2017
    Czech Republic - 2021

    Pot D
    Italy - 2023
    Serbia - Never
    Switzerland - 2022

    Play Off - A
    Wales - 2022
    Finland - 2001
    Poland - 2021
    Estonia - 2015

    Play Off - B
    Bosnia and Herzegovina - Never
    Ukraine - 2023
    Israel - 2007
    Iceland - 2020

    Play Off - C
    Georgia - 1997
    Luxembourg- 1999
    Greece - 2006
    Kazakhstan- 2009

    Pot A
    Germany - 2022
    Portugal - 2016
    France - 2022
    Spain - 2018
    Belgium - 2020 (Upcoming match in 2024.j
     
  8. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    To me, the hardest possible draw looks like: Hungary, Netherlands & Italy. Hungary > Denmark atm imo, Denmark have declined since the Euros and Hungary seem to keep getting better - as we well know.

    Easiest possible draw looks something like: Albania, Czechs & whoever comes out of playoff A or C.

    Don’t want either of those, my preference would be to draw the Netherlands along with two easier games so we get one game to prep ourselves for the knockout stages in terms of intensity while still being likely to progress if we lose.
     
  9. wellno

    wellno Member+

    Jul 31, 2016
    This just makes it more confusing. Why are the Netherlands in Pot 3 when they have better points and GD than every team in Pot 2 but one. Why are Albania in Pot 2 when 5/6 teams in Pot 3 have a better record than them?

    This does in part make it clearer why Pot 3 looks stronger than Pot 2.
     
  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It’s because the Netherlands did not win their group (France did). Pot 2 is all group winners and the highest ranked second place team (Austria).
     
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  11. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    doesn’t really seem fair for a team to get a double punishment for having a tough qualifying group.

    Not that it really matters mind you in this case given there doesn’t seem much difference between pot 2 and 3.
     
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  12. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Preferred it when pots where done on rankings/UEFA coefficient. Don't really feel the new system seeds teams correctly according to there actual strength. I bet if you matched these pots up with the countries ELO World ranking they'd be wildly different (outside of Pot 1).
     
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  13. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    It doesn't seed correctly at all. That's probably the weakest pot 2 I've ever seen for a Euros draw and the strongest pot 4. Going to make some weird groups.
     
  14. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    England scored four against Hungary when it really mattered.
     
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  15. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Over two years ago and we still only managed a draw in the second game. Those NL games weren't valueless when it comes to evaluating the two teams and if you look at the four most recent meetings between us you can conclude they're a tough game for us by the fact we've only beaten them once. Even if those games were friendlies you could still draw that conclusion, how many other sides outside of the major nations have we struggled like that with in recent years?

    They're currently on a twelve-match unbeaten run and if you look at how they held their own against France, Germany and Portugal (for the most part) without their best player at Euro 2020 I think they'll be a tough side to play next summer.
     
  16. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    If the NL is anything to go by, then Italy are better than England. If England want to win Euros, they shouldn't be hindered by a plucky but mediocre team.
     
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  17. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    It doesn’t work like that. Those fixtures were two years and Italy have declined notably since then, Hungary haven’t. That’s why the Hungary games mean more than the Italy ones.

    Obviously Hungary shouldn’t stop any potential contender from winning the tournament but you don’t want too many high intensity games in the group stage for fatigue reasons.
     
  18. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    Hungary failed to qualify for the World Cup in the same manner, and then found themselves in a much easier group than Italy for the Euros. The Hungarian squad is well put together now, they have a class player in Szoboszlai, but if you look at most of the squad, they are playing for unranked teams or sitting on the bench, possibly in the piss poor Hungarian league. You can get in their starting line up from Barnsley, ffs! Plus, they've not only been lucky with their Euro qualifying group, but also with two tough away games behind closed gates. Obviously no one should underestimate that team, but shouldn't overrate them either, and the 0-4 in Wolverhampton should be enough motivation if the draw does bring England up against them.
     
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  19. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Hungary are certainly much improved from their standard of recent decades but I wouldn't be using the nations league as a benchmark. There were lots of crazy results in the nations league, largely because of UEFA cramming the games in when they did.

    France nearly got relegated too and Denmark did the double over them yet come the world cup groups it was France with the win, making the final and Denmark going home after the group stage.

    Turkey are probably the best team right now of the second seeds, although they were in good form going into the last euros and then shambolic in it.
     
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  20. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Hungary were actually good in the last euros and largely gave three of Europe’s elite a stern test without their best player. They’re very well coached and will be tough for most imo.
     
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  21. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    When you have tournaments with the third place teams potentially qualifying you always get nations playing very defensively against the top seeds. Hungary would probably be the best at that approach from that pot.

    It is hard to gauge quality because apart from the pot 1 teams qualifying performances were pretty awful in most groups.
     
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  22. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Will be the first tournament that my parent won't be watching it with me. They used to love the euros and world cup.
     
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  23. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    :(

    Sorry
     
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  24. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    IMO Turkey is the Pot 2 team to avoid, after Germany, as they will have the most supporters given the high number of Turks living in Germany. Real nationalistic as well in the last few years with Erdogan.
     
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