U.S. to play exhibition against China

it's never easy defending set pieces against a team like US with tall, strong athletic players. None of our back 4 players can match against these guys. If it's Li Weifeng or Du Wei out there, then it could been another story.

Keeper did well, but just to nitpick, I thought he was kind of slow coming out on the first goal.

I think you should just stick with watching the Olympic team. Watching the senior team is a waste of time, not to mention it's shameful to watch us get beat like whipping boys.

 

I'm still laughing! How about RSL ( mixed regulars and reserves ) 2 - (Not scared of the USA C team ) CHINA 1. and with altitude advantage, Colorado Crapids ( B- team) 3 -China 1. You are underestimating the US team. They made Japan look absolutely silly last time they met, so don't feel too bad. China seem to like to play the same style of play as the US. Maybe they can hire Bruce Arena to improve their team play.

 

horrible absolutly horrible , what kinda tactics is that how weak was that back four , why was dong playing on the right??? WHo is the s*** coach or manager?

 

... and to think, they lost to the USMNT's B Team. I can't even imagine how out of control the score would have gotten if MLS players had been available with the Euro players already there....

Yea, no kidding. Does China always have this problem against taller teams?

 

B team B team, I hate this term.
What if I say China is B team too.
Win is win, lose is lose. I don't care it's A team or B team.

 

Yea, no kidding. Does China always have this problem against taller teams?[/quote]


The Chinese wasn't that short of a team.

 

As long as Zhu is still the coach, it's a farce. So just sit back and enjoy the show.

 

There's absolutely no surprise that the U.S beat China. The score is slightly lob-sided but I think it's almost expected.

I agree with shingkei that it's not about A team or B team. A loss is a loss. Even if China had Zheng Zhi, Shi Jun or other European based players, we still would have lost.

Wake up Chinese supporters! This is not the same team that made the world cup in 2002 and made it to the Asian Cup finals in 2004. This is not the same team that was ranked in the high 40s and low 50s in FIFA rankings 4 years ago. It's amazing that all the Chinese supporters, including myself, are all angry at the team, but the ones who have the power to change it (i.e Coaches and CFA) are doing absolutely nothing about it.


We lost to Thailand 1-0, we're having trouble beating teams like Singapore and Iraq, so consider it a blessing that we only lost 4-1 to the U.S.

 

I watched through the 60th minute, so I missed the set piece abomination that ended the game, but saw those goals on highlights and it looked like what happened for much of the game.

I haven't watched a Chinese game in awhile, so what absolutely struck me was how horrendous our defense was, right down to the very basics of the game. The players were constantly standing still and not catching on to the US player's runs. The US was playing with one (crappy) striker in Razov, but the speed of Beasley and Dempsey made it so that every time the US kicked a ball forward, they had a scoring opportunity, because the defense wouldn't react and even when they did, they didn't have the speed. The sum of our defensive strategy was to stand in one place and then raise your arm up in the air after you got burned, hoping for an offsides call, then whenver the ball came anywhere near a defender, they were to immediately kick it out of bounds or back to the keeper. Absolutely pitiful!

This in light of the fact the US defense was equally horrid. The few times we put together a couple passes the US defense looked totally lost. Tie zi played a few balls into the box (in particular a gret lob in the first half that should have resulted in a goal) that created some chances. Shao Jiayi looked great, but then he was the only player that was really doing anything out there.

I stand by what I said about the game, but this Chinese side was far from what I hoped Zhu would bring to the US. When you have Li Tie covering Onyewu on corners, you have a serious problem. Why Zhu didn't make adjustments, or bring a true center back, is beyond me. Shao, Dong, and Sun Xiang are the only ones who should be part of our "A" squad and Sun didn't really show up. I am seriously disappointed as I was hoping he would bring more of the AC squad and it showed. With a little luck and a few lineup changes, this game could have been very different, but that seems to be what we always say after matches. That's it, I'm throwing in the towel, even at this late point, fire Zhu and bring in someone new, hopefully it will ignite things going into the AC and not cause a disaster. Whatever problems it causes leading up to the tournament, I don't think it matters, because with Zhu in charge I don't know if we'd even get out of the group stage...

 

Comparing the CSL and MLS? are you kidding me? MLS is clearly superior. Let's take out the fact that the MLS is in the U.S., a well-developed nation and an economic power house, and ignore the fact that MLS teams can afford players like David Beckham and possible Zidane. MLS is much better organized (better marketing). MLS grows players where CSL corrupts players with match fix scandals. A rookie in the CSL will easily be corrupt by the likes of Li Weifeng and Fan Zhiyi. A rookie in the MSL will grow and flourish.

MLS is superior, hands down.

What can CFA do about it? Well, clean up the domestic league and get the fans back. 10 years ago, the attendance at CSL was outstanding. Why has it declined since? Because the league broke too many hearts with match fixing scandals and corrupt officials. I actually think this is the root cause of the problem.

 

CFF, I'm definitely with Fevernova on this. Come on, there has been some match fixing and corruption in the past, but you talk like every player is corrupt and fixing matches, plus you smear the names of some of the top players with little evidence. Sure Datou wasn't the best role model in Shenzhen skipping practices and stuff, but he did lead the team to a title. Also, if you have noticed, the fans are starting to come back over the past few seasons, with attendance only slightly being effected despite the move of Shenyang's team to Hunan and the move of Shanghai and Beijing's teams away from their usual home ground.

The MLS has only gotten respectable marketing this season with the ESPN2 commercials (a long discussion could be had about the effectiveness of them). To say the CSL doesn't have money for big name players is false as I believe Changchun (or one of the other teams) put up a big money offer for Zidane, though he turned it down (and if you haven't noticed, he hasn't taken any offers from MLS yet either). The problem isn't the money issue, its finding players who are willing to go to a drastically different culture where they don't speak the language at all and, I think most importantly, will be treated with the same reverance (or even more so) than they would in Europe. With the exception of Beckham and maybe 2 or 3 other players, most soccer stars could roam around freely in New York, LA, or Chicago and maybe, MAYBE be recognized by a handful of people. This sort of freedom from the media makes the US a very attractive refuge.

The US is a well-developed nation and an economic powerhouse, but what about China? It's not like we're talking about some tiny country in Africa here! Beyond that, what does that have to do with the quality of a soccer league anyways? Argentina and Mexico aren't exactly economic powerhouses and yet both have strong leagues, even stronger than the MLS.

The CSL has done a decent job of developing talent, but I do think it needs to do more extending down further and reaching out to younger kids, creating full clubs. This goes to cultural issues and promoting young kids free time instead of studying, but that's another story.

On the field, I think the leagues are pretty comparable, its the off the field stuff. The CSL has done a good job cleaning itself up and this needs to continue and those in charge need to be vigilant about it. The lack of money(?) causing the constant search for a "title sponser" is not a good thing, though hopefully Kingway will stay on for awhile.

It can be argued the CSL actually has some strengths over the MLS, including having relegation and having single team ownership, but its lack of sugar daddies like the Hunt family and AEG has hurt it. Also, I think the total coverage of soccer in China has an effect on things. "Eurosnobs" in the US are forced to pay "high" prices for soccer channels or head to pubs every weekend (and home access to these channels has only existed in the past few years) whereas in China if you tune into a sports station over the weekend, you receive live EPL, Spanish, and Italian league coverage, have an almost daily soccer newspaper, and a few different weekly soccer magazines. Soccer fans in the US are a bit starved for coverage (at least they were) and so MLS, despite its lack of quality, is something more people turn to than in China, where options abound. That said, the fans are starting to come back and an exciting title race this season could help to really bring them back. I also think major changes need to be made with the CFA and making it more independent and fan friendly.

At the end of the day, the MLS and CSL both have major flaws, I don't think its possible to say that the MLS is superior hands down. I think on and off the field the leagues are almost equal, though the money thrown down the toilet that has been the MLS (12 years(?), millions of dollars, and only 1 side (or is it 2) to have ever turned a profit) is a major advantage that just doesn't exist in the CSL.

 

Best post.

 

The likes of Li Weifent and Fan Zhiyi are just two examples of bad leaders on the team. There are many many more. I think it's reasonable that Zidane turned down Changchun. I don't think it's a cultural issue. The french & spanish cultures are very different yet he did not turn down Real Madrid. I think he turned it down b/c he does not respect the CSL enough to play in it. The skill level at CSL is so inadequate that good players like Zidane may get injurred, b/c the only way crappy defence can stop good players is by playiing dirty.

U.S is a economic power house, period. China's GDP needs to grow at 8% annually for the next 30 years in order to catch up to the U.S. So I feel bad comparing MLS and CSL, b/c it's not fair. MLS has a better infrastructure, therefore, it has a huge advantage. But even taking that aside, CSL is still loosing the the MLS.

 

Famous commentator Huang Jian Xiang (the guy who said "Go to hell Aussies, Forza Italia!!" on national TV during the Aus-Italy WC2006 match), pissed off about Zhu and Dong playing RM (video):

http://v.blog.sina.com.cn/b/4066501-1272547984.html

 

Real Salt Lake vs. China, Friday 9:00am Beijing Time

GK: Yang Jun

DF: Li Yan, Ji Mingyi, Zhang Yaokun, Zhang Shuai

MF: Wang Dong, Zhao Xuri, Li Tie, Cao Yang

FW: Dong Fangzhuo, Qu Bo

Sina

 

godson plays again. surprise surprise.

Prediction: China lose again.

 

The outright nepotism is disgusting.

 

how come Li Yan play in defense !!!!!! he is not supose to be a DM? and glassman who play on the middle, Zhu is walking on the head that not possible to be stupid like that

 

Where's Shao Jiayi and Sun Xiang? Are they playing as back ups?

 

Sun Xiang is back to play for Shenhua in A3