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Not exactly.

The Mexicans believed or claimed to believe that the "Rio Grande" referred to in the treaty ending the Texas Revolution was the Nueces and the present Rio Grande was properly called the Rio Bravo.

The dispute was over the territory between. President Polk wanted New Mexico, Arizona, and what is now California as well, and was only too happy to send troops to the disputed area, when Mexico wouldn't/couldn't sell ( their government had become something of a merry-go-round, changing every few weeks.) In addition to being changed often, the Mexican government even when temporarily stable was pretty changeable as to whether it accepted Texas' independence and subsequent absorption by the US at all.

Mexican forces attacked a smallish detachment of US troops in the disputed territory, and the war was on. Winners write the history books and so the thumbnail version is that the Mexicans "invaded" but the actual movement behind the war was by US troops into a sort of defacto demilitarized zone...

 

Yes and no, mostly no.

There was a bad guy running Mexico. The US interfered and backed another guy, who overthrew him. He turned out to be just as bad, at least at first. The US backed, among others, Pancho Villa in an effort to overthrow him. The guy realized that this pattern hadn't worked out well for his predecessor, and started cleaning up his act. President Wilson decided that he merited some relief, and stopped supporting Villa.

Villa took exception to this and started attacking US nationals, eventually crossing the border and pillaging Columbus. AFAIK, none of the victims at Columbus were Anglo or had any idea why these guys showed up and started raping, looting, burning, and killing.

So, yes and no...

 

Mariano

"The man outside he works for me, his name is Mariano
He cuts and trims the grass for me he makes the flowers bloom
He says that he comes from a place not far from Guanajuato
That’s two days on a bus from here, a lifetime from this room.

I fix his meals and talk to him in my old broken Spanish
He points at things and tells me names of things I can't recall
Sometimes I just can't but help but wonder who this man is
And if when he is gone will he remember me at all

I watch him close he works just like a piston in an engine
He only stops to take a drink and smoke a cigarette
When the day is ended, I look outside my window
There on the horizon, Mariano's silhouette
He sits upon a stone in a south-easterly direction
I know my charts I know that he is thinking of his home

I've never been the sort to say I'm in to intuition
But I swear I see the faces of the ones he calls his own
Their skin is brown as potter’s clay, their eyes void of expression
Their hair is black as widow's dreams, their dreams are all but gone
They're ancient as a vision of a sacrificial virgin
Innocent as crying from a baby being born

They hover around a dying flame and pray for his protection
Their prayers are all but answered by his letters in the mail
He sends them colored figures that he cuts from strips of paper
And all his weekly wages, saving nothing for himself

It's been a while since I have seen the face of Mariano
The border guards they came one day and took him far away
I hope that he is safe down there at home in Guanajuato
I worry though I read there's revolution every day..."

Robert Earl Keen

 

Best add ever!!!

 

I mean, they are rationally hired ahead of Americans, and that pisses Americans off.

The New York Times ran a piece on Trump that his opponents should have done, and if not done referenced, but they are too stupid. The Donald has a Miami hotel in that in 5 years, only hired 17 Americans for 300 open jobs. The Donald obliquely said that was because the foreigners were better candidates. Yeah, they were. The secret problem to Bernie's candidacy. And the reason why no matter who we elect, the pattern ain't changing. Foreigners who do a better job, whether here or there, are going to take jobs from Americans who figure being OK is good enough.

 

This is probably what they were talking about at the debate. Rubio attacked him on it and Trump said they were 4 or 5 month temporary jobs. He made it sound like there was a lot of competition for experienced workers and they didn't want the short term jobs.

 

Damn. That's a long way from the border.

 

The old town is right on the border IIUC.

After the raid they moved the more modern parts a mile or so back, I think. It is or was a mining town-- as in dig up not as in tunnel in. Zinc, I think, and maybe garnet? Due to the mines, it had a railroad spur, and due to the railroad and the border it had a tiny cavalry detachment, though I'm not sure if they were there when Villa got there. Some hundreds of people were evacuated in ore cars on a mining freight during or after the raid.

Nowadays I hear its pretty much Last Picture Show with drug smuggling...

 

And then a commentator pointed out how Marquito and Rafael's dads came to the US and worked restaurant jobs and how their sons today would've made their lives difficult.

 

"Pull up the ladder, Jack, I'm aboard."

 

I was trying and failing to make a lame joke about the town where the Crew plays.

Fascinating stories though!

 

I wish I could put my hands on it, or at least had the energy this morning to look for it...but there's research out there that there's a segment of the population that gets really, really, really ********ing mad when they call somewhere and are told to press 1 for English, 2 for Espanol, and they get really, really, really ********ing mad when they see signs in Spanish.

 

A warm welcome from South Philly, to our Mexican friends -

 

That is what Trump is selling, and as a story in NPR this morning covered some union members that leadership support democrats are buying.

Bernie protectionism stops at the border, he wants to limit trade to protect American jobs, Donald doubles down on that by bullshiting that he is going to "protect" American jobs from competition from abroad and internally from cheaper labor immigrants.

 

Isn't there an American People failure thread for stuff like this?

 

dapipMember+
Best add ever!!!

Just sayin'......to the guy who pointed out that I'd reposted his comment last week...

I guess great minds think alike!

 

All the Lowe's up here have English/Spanish signs.

Which is stupid, because they should be in English and French.

 

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/lust-for-destruction
Josh Marshall is smart.

"On the radicalized, revanchist right, provocation and transgression of norms isn't simply indulged. It functions as a positive good. It is a feature, not a bug, to use the tech phrase. What the mainstream electorate might view as an 'outrage' is actually signal of the willingness to tear down a corrupt order that is unwilling (Democrats and elites) or unable (RINOs, mainstream GOP) to turn back the tide of threat. So whether or not you think it's a good idea to kill terrorists families, saying you will is a signal that you won't accept limits. How can Trump break all the rules and pay no price? What's his magic? Changing your positions, obviously lying, taunting enemies - none of these hurt Trump because his core supporters are not seeing them through the same prism you likely are. They're not signs of deception, bad character or untrustworthiness. They all signal a refusal to accept the norms of the threatening order and thus a willingness to overturn it.

To put this more simply, you're being too literal. While the Trump movement is heavily tinged by racial backlash, it's not like all Trump backers would embrace outright white nationalists. But that's not the point. Provocation is a feature, not a bug."

Basically, he's saying two things (one in the part I clipped, the other later.) The first is that Trump's outrageousness is helping him immensely in the primaries, and it inoculates him from normal political attacks and even normal political gravity, so long as he's operating solely within the Republican primary electorate.

The second thing he says is that once Trump leaves that cocoon and starts running in the general election pool of voters, that outrageousness won't necessarily help him, and almost certainly will significantly hurt him.

 

Yep. Which is why it's going to be even more entertaining watching Trump going for the votes of democrats and independents in the general. And the reaction of his base. In the general Trump is going to try to tempt ALL of us to vote for him. I can't wait, and will be extremely disappointed if the Reeps are able to derail him somehow.

 

She was hoping for Redneck?

 

I have mixed feelings over this one.