Trade offer for Pablo

Discussion in 'Colorado Rapids' started by JasonMa, Nov 22, 2004.

  1. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone have a "read" on whether Mastro plans on staying in MLS or go to Europe? Is there still any interest abroad?
     
  2. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't see why his interest would have changed and I would imagine after his recent performances with the National team Euro teams will have more interest in him. With the Jan. 1 transfer window opening back up he might be going over the pond.
     
  3. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    so we have
    Revs-Llamosa, Joe-Max and Brillant
    MET-one of our forwards, Ricardo Clark, and Joselito Vaca
    LA-Victorine, Vagenas and Moreno
    CHI-Dipsy Selolwane, Sumed Ibrahim, and Chris Armas (though Sumed isn't under contract)
    CHI-Razov, Buete, Pause
    CLB-Cunningham, Elliott and Paule (or Denton)
    even RSL: Brian Kamler, Chris Brown, and Erick Scott
    DC-Stokes & 2 guys leaving

    glad to see everyone in the east getting into the act. I didn't notice any "sincere" offers from fans of Dallas, SJ, and KC. I haven't met a Chivas USA fan here so we'll excuse their abscence from this discussion.
     
  4. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chivas offers all of their recently drafted non-Hispanics for Pablo.

    Ezra Hendrickson, Craig Ziadie and Jamil Walker.

    Enjoy!!
     
  5. Riccardo55

    Riccardo55 Member+

    Mar 11, 2001
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It may just be me, but I dislike this idea as I expect that another team is trying to unload three mediocre/injured/moody/europebound players on the Rapids for a solid US Nats star player with lots of upside in a real system.

    Imagine if I put together a deal to unload Powell, Digi, and Henderson for, say, Twellman??? Hmmmm. Who wins that one in a forward-thin league??? We can replace Powell & Digi this afternoon. Henderson may be harder. But we cannot find a scorer (and see the Allocation/Discovery thread if ya don't think we've tried).

    Doug Moe said that whoever gets the 'best' player wins the trade. I agree. We cannot elevate our team with players that are available any year, we elevate our team by getting high level performers, and accumulating them.

    RLH
     
  6. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't forget Jeff Stewart! ;)
     
  7. Malaga CF fan

    Malaga CF fan Member

    Apr 19, 2000
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great post. Every offer I've seen so far is simply teams trying to unload the players they don't know what to do with.

    You gotta do better if you want Pablo.
     
  8. usasoc

    usasoc New Member

    Aug 21, 2003
    i am taking all this for just speculation and conversation on these boards.i can't believe that another team would just want another team's best player and think they could get him. I just think NE is just going around shopping to all teams. With losing a coach and having new people at the helm, I don't think colorado is going to part with pablo for any three players period. they have enough money now to go get three players to play with pablo.
     
  9. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No they just traded him to the Stormin' Mormons for an additional TI slot. All they need is one more TI and they no longer would have to put an American out on the field.
     
  10. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can't trade for a TI "slot".
     
  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually under the new rules announced at MLS Cup, you can. They're called developmental slots or something like that, but they fill the same niche as the TI slots did.

    Right now Chivas has 3 SI slots, 6 TI slots (Expanstion teams have 5 TI slots compated to 3 for everyone else), and 3 players with dual citizenship or Mexicans with green cards (Perez, Gomez, and McDLT). So they could field 11 players who are eligible for the Mexican National Team and still have one on the bench if they wanted.
     
  12. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So this is how Chivas will get around the rules? How can you trade a "slot"? If MLS rules state that each team has 3 TI's or 5 for expansion, that sounds like a limit.
     
  13. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    MLS rules now also state TI spots can be traded, doesn't sound like a limit
     
  14. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    You can trade a "slot" when you cater to the new owners of Chivas that's how.

    Man, it's MLS ... they can do anything they want except for give us something in wrapping paper!
     
  15. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    40 slots league wide (3 for the 10 existing teams = 30, plus 5 for each of the 2 expansion teams = 10 ) that are currently delegated in sets of 3 or 5. A team can choose to trade on of their slots to another team. Their limit would then be 2 (or 4) and the new team could have 4 (or 6). So RSL will be limited to 4 this season, while Chivas can have 6 now.

    Also there are 4 SI's this season, I forgot about that change. So Chivas can have 10 players fielded that are not American/green card holders (as long as one can play GK) + McDLT who has dual citizenship for a starting 11 made up of all Mexican citizens.
     
  16. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    4 SIs!!! Looks like Powell is coming back for sure!
     
  17. Rei de Boston

    Rei de Boston New Member

    Mar 16, 2004
    4 SIs. I was hoping for changes from the squad but this is not one of them, especially if it means the squad doesn't change.
     
  18. He's In Fashion

    Jan 7, 2000
    Littlefun, CO, US
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's absolutely NO WAY... repeat... NO WAY, that Chivas will field a side of completely Hispanic players... they're going to want to have just one American player... That is, when they lose, which they will (a lot) they will have a person to blame it on, fittingly, and most naturally, other than themselves...

    Johnny Walker would be perfect for this.
     
  19. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except they didn't get him while they could have, easily. Maybe Meola will end up out there. KC is trying to move him.
     
  20. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some people won't believe it, but www.rapidsfan.com is reporting that all suiors for Pablo were told to go bite themselves. Sounds like LA, NY & SJ wanted his services.
     
  21. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    Actually no, that's not what Rapidsfan what reported. We stated that the initial offer involving 3 players in exchange for Pablo was refused by the Rapids... but that offers from other teams were still on the table.

    And if anyone doubts the validity of Rapidsfan's reports of trade talks involving Pablo -- I believe a number of people called it "hearsay" or simply "BS" -- just see Galarcep's latest article on ESPN:
     
  22. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry if I boiled the news on Rapidsfan.com down too much, didn't mean to miss represent your news.

    I'd love seeing Pope with the Rapids. He's criticized for being too quiet, but Nat and Cannon have shown they have the voice to tell the defense what's up. Pablo for Pope? Maybe a fair trade, however I'd rather have both if possible. I agree with Greenie in another post about Pablo being best suited for midfield. If we lose Pablo in exchange for Pope we lose a lot in midfield while solidfying defense.
     
  23. burmm

    burmm Member

    Apr 12, 1999
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not only is he too quiet but he's too old too. He is on the downslope of his career while Pablo is, I feel, just getting started. In my opinion, Pablo and Cannon are the only two players we should keep and that we should offer up everyone else and start from scratch.
     
  24. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    While I'm not crazy about the idea of Pablo-for-Pope, I'm certainly not going to write off Eddie, not at all. He's still one of the 3 best center backs in MLS, and anyone who suggests he's getting too old might do well to consider Robin Fraser's performance in 2005.
     
  25. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    I don't understand the trade. The ONLY way it makes sense to me ... is if Pablo INSISTS he plays in the midfield (where I don't think he belongs) or he's a prick in the locker room (which I've never heard before).

    The other way it could make sense, is if Pablo's intent is Europe and there have been clubs in discussion with MLS.

    But I do like Pope.
     

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