Top college players - an attempt at a comprehensive list [R]

Discussion in 'College & Amateur Soccer' started by Sandon Mibut, Aug 31, 2002.

  1. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    With the college season starting, I thought it was time to put together a list of top players in the college game and spent the past week putting together what I think is a pretty thorough list. Here it is.

    A few thoughts.

    *I divided the list into 5 groups. The first 4 groups are all US citizens: Seniors who are too old for the 2004 Olympics, seniors who are Olympic-eligible, juniors and sophomores.

    *The fifth group is international players, regardless of class or age.

    *I did NOT do freshman. It’s not ‘cause there aren’t plenty of good first year players – there are – but right now all we have his HS and club team reputations, most of which, for the top players, are amplified greatly by national and regional team performances. We know who the top youth national teamers are, let’s let the freshmen earn their rep at this level.

    *This is as comprehensive as I could think of but I’m sure that A) I’ve forgotten or left out some deserving players, B) many of you will have suggestions for players who aren’t listed and C) some will argue with some players I did exclude. Remember, none of this is official and I welcome input and debate.

    *As I’ve said before, I go to a lot of college soccer games – and some youth national team games when my work schedule allows – and I ask a lot of questions to any one who appears to be remotely in the know including MLS and A-League coaches who are scouting, other college coaches, agents and reporters. I’ve put this list together based in part on the input from these conversations, my own observations of players I’ve seen, input from some of you on these boards and, to a lesser degree, media reports I’ve read on some of these guys.

    *Strong PDL performances has landed some players who haven’t been high profile in college on this list.

    *I like to think these are players who are all gonna get looked at by MLS teams and I’m basing this list both on pro potential and college accomplishment.

    *When possible, I tried to list dates of birth because this can make a difference in terms of an MLS roster-exempt spot and, in the case of the international players, makes the difference as to whether they’ll be a Transitional International or not. If I don’t have a DOB listed, it’s because the bio of that player on his school’s website doesn’t list it.

    SENIORS (80 and 79)
    Rob Beatty GK Loyola, Md. 10/16/80
    Scott Bowman M UC-Irvine 2/14/80
    Ryan Coiner F San Diego 9/7/79
    Jason Cole D Saint Louis 9/26/80 09/26/1980
    Jonathan Cole D Virginia 10/1/80
    Matt Crawford M North Carolina 8/20/80
    Todd Dunivant D/M Stanford 12/26/80
    Tim Glowienka D South Carolina 8/10/80
    Dirceu Hurtado F Farleigh Dickinson 9/17/79
    Ryan Mack M Indiana 11/13/79
    Mike Mariscalco M Butler 8/27/80
    Pat Noonan F Indiana 8/2/80
    John Swann D Indiana 9/27/79
    Arturo Torres F Loyola-Marymount 12/11/80

    SENIORS (Olympic Eligible)
    Guy Abrahamson D/M Rutgers 5/23/81
    Kenny Arena M Virginia 2/6/81
    Dustin Branan D Brown 5/21/81
    Ryan Gibbs F Virginia 4/8/81
    Jack Jewsbury F Saint Louis 4/13/81
    Roger Levesque F Stanford 1/22/81
    Hamid Mehreioskouei F Bradley 2/15/81
    Aaron Paye F Farleigh Dickinson 1/19/81
    Trevor Perea M Duke 8/19/81
    Jordan Quinn F South Carolina 1/28/81
    Casey Schmidt F Boston College 6/16/81
    Curtis Spiteri GK Portland 3/15/81
    Zach Tallman D Washington 2/14/81
    David Testo F/M North Carolina 8/7/81
    Scot Thompson D UCLA 2/11/81
    Will Thornton D Connecticut 1/27/81
    Mike Tranchilla F Creighton 6/9/81
    Jacob Ward D Azusa Pacific 5/5/81
    Doug Warren GK Clemson 3/18/81
    Mitchell Watson GK NC State 3/26/81
    Jason White GK Princeton ??

    Brian Carroll M Wake Forest 7/20/81
    Jordan Cila F Duke 4/11/82
    Denny Clanton D Dayton 4/4/82
    Eric Cronkrite M Portland 10/1/81
    Alecko Eskandarian F Virginia 7/9/82
    Adolfo Gregorio M UCLA 10/1/82
    Chase Hilgenbrink D Clemson ??
    Nate Jaqua F Portland 10/28/81
    Ricky Lewis D Clemson 5/29/82
    Matt McCausland M San Diego 9/16/82
    Logan Pause M North Carolina 8/22/81
    Matt Pickens GK SW Missouri State 4/5/82
    Frankie Sanfilippo M San Jose St. 9/8/81
    Paul Souders M Clemson 2/23/81
    David Stokes D North Carolina 5/28/82
    Jason Thompson F Eastern Illinois ??
    David Wagenfuhr M Creighton 6/22/82
    Jeremiah White F Wake Forest 4/3/82
    Chris Wingert D St. John’s 6/16/82

    Mike Ambersley F Indiana 2/14/83
    Clint Baumstark GK Alabama-Birmingham ??
    Knox Cameron F Michigan 9/17/83
    Ricardo Clark M Furman 5/21/83
    Ryan Cochrane D Santa Clara 8/8/83
    Steve Cronin GK Santa Clara 5/28/83
    Clint Dempsey M Furman 3/9/83
    Kirk Dinnal M Virginia 7/19/83
    Ned Grabavoy M Indiana 7/1/83
    Allen Handy D Fla. International 4/25/83
    John Hartman D Virginia 5/4/83
    Ugo Ihemulu D Southern Methodist 4/3/83
    C.J. Klaas D/M Washington 8/23/83
    Matt Kovar D Loyola-Marymount 2/15/83
    Mike Munoz M Cal 9/14/83
    Matt Oliver D Virginia 11/5/81
    Danny O’Rourke M/D Indiana 5/31/83
    Scot Palguta D Cornell 8/23/82
    Jarret Park M/F Syracuse 10/25/82
    Troy Roberts D Cal 9/18/83
    Chris Sawyer GK Notre Dame 10/20/82
    Chad Severs F Penn State ??
    Jack Stewart D Notre Dame 5/29/83
    Marcus Storey M North Carolina 11/9/82
    Abe Thompson F Maryland 1/12/82
    Eric Vasquez M Central Florida ??
    Brett Wiesner F Washington 5/12/83

    Erich Braun (Sr.) F Notre Dame 9/16/79 Germany
    Oskar Bringsved (Jr.) M Clemson ?? Sweden
    Cesar Cuellar (Jr.) F Connecticut 11/16/80 Bolivia
    Anthony Curtis (Sr.) M Connecticut 9/9/78 Jamaica
    Milorad Djordevic (Sr.) D Va. Commonwealth 4/6/79 Yugoslavia
    Sherif El Bialy (Jr.) F Rutgers ?? Egypt
    Rob Friend (Sr.) F UC-Santa Barbara 1/23/81 Canada
    Carlos Garcia (Sr.) F/M William & Mary ?? Colombia
    Bryan Harkin (Sr.) M Fairfield ?? No. Ireland
    Sumed Ibrahim (So.) M Maryland 12/30/80 Ghana
    Sunday Isename (Sr.) F Dayton 12/9/82 Nigeria
    Neil Jones (Jr.) D UC-Santa Barbara 2/16/82 New Zealand
    Nial Lepper (Sr.) D Loyola, Md. 6/23/81 Scotland
    Alon Lubezky (So.) F Hartford 8/25/80 Israel
    Guy Melamed (So.) D Boston College 9/12/79 Israel
    Flavio Monteiro (Sr.) F Alabama-Birmingham 3/21/78 Angola
    Sergei Raad (Jr.) F Furman 8/10/82 Russia
    Damani Ralph (Sr.) F Connecticut 11/6/80 Jamaica
    Mathieu Savaria (So.) D Farleigh Dickinson 5/21/81 Canada
    Josh Simpson (So.) M Portland 5/15/83 Canada
    Shavar Thomas (So.) D Connecticut 1/29/81 Jamaica
    Atilla Vendegh (Jr.) F Old Dominion 3/12/81 Slovakia
    Diego Walsh (Sr.) M Southern Methodist 12/8/79 Brazil

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  2. beineke

    beineke New Member

    Sep 13, 2000
    Thanks for the list, Sandon. It'll be fun looking out for these players this season.

    One name that I'd add is Johanes Maliza, Stanford's senior playmaker (born sept. 81). Towards the end of last season, he really took over their offense. He has a great combination of technical skill and all-out intensity.
  3. Emile

    Emile Member

    Oct 24, 2001
    dead in a ditch
    Great list Sandon. I had been thinking of how to do something similar. It would be nice, since I get to see so few of the players, to try and get a ranking list of the best prospects based on the views of BS users around the country.

    I have a few players that you have not included that I would (and a few you included that I wouldn't). I don't have my list handy, so I'll try to update when I get a chance. I have a lot of questions and comments about these, and other, players.

    Actually, I can ask one - how have you determined if a player is foreign or not? I've always thought of Sunday Isename as American since he's been in Oklahoma for a while. I think Ihemulu is Nigerian born as well. Dirceu Hurtado is Peruvian isn't he? And Aaron Paye was born in Liberia. Since these guys haven't been capped anywhere that I know of, trying to determine their MLS or overseas work classifications is a challenge.
  4. Christie Hopkins

    Christie Hopkins New Member

    Dec 3, 1999
    Columbia SC
    2 to watch from South Carolina

    Here are a couple of Gamecock players to watch. Jordan Quinn (see above) has been moved back to attacking midfielder to make room for these guys up top.

    Ricky Quest -- Junior -- (11-1-79) Transfer from
    Herkimer Community College — Two-time NSCAA/adidas Junior College Player of the Year ... Two-time NJCAA First Team All-American ... Two-time NSCAA First Team All-American ... Made the Region III All-Tournament team in 2000 and 2001 ... Captain of the team in 2001 ... In 2001 led the team with 18 goals and 18 assists ... Named 2001 Mountain Valley Conference Player of the Year ... Helped Herkimer earn 2000 National Championship honors ... Named MVP of the National Tournament in 2000. From Jamaica (? US citizenship). Ricky hustles, has good ball skills. Turns on the ball as well as anybody I have ever seen. Very quick release, good pace on shots, very accurate.

    Next is a freshman (sorry ) BUT clearly a huge asset up top, so far the dominant player on the team -- Ryan Deter (8-24-83). Very fast and quick. Makes the extra effort consistently, hustles on defense. Quick release with hard accurate shots.
    IMO, these 2 guys are as good as Clint Mathis and Josh Wolff were at this stage in their careers.
  5. Emile

    Emile Member

    Oct 24, 2001
    dead in a ditch

    Glad you chimed in, because I was going to mention Ryan Daley, only to see that he is off the roster. What the heck happened to him?

    When I saw the Gamecocks last year, I thought he was their best player. He seemed frustrated and unhappy throughout the game, but he looked to really have some skill and I thought he could be a player that could really break out at the pro level. Oh well.

    Glowienka didn't look like much of a prospect to me. Quest and Deter will be watched, but as per Sandon's rules, they have to prove themselves first.
  6. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    For the record, Daley was gonna make my list but when I went to the Cocks website to find his DOB, I saw he wasn't listed on the roster. I'd also like to know what he's doing.

    I sat next to an MLS coach at a South Carolina game last year and he made a point to circle Glowienka's name on his roster and said "there's just something I like about tht kid." That little episode earned him a place on my list.
  7. Christie Hopkins

    Christie Hopkins New Member

    Dec 3, 1999
    Columbia SC
    Ryan Daley and Tim Glowienka

    There are rumors around that there have been internal problems with the team, as you know David Testo left last year for UNC where he had a stellar season. This year, Ray Fischer, Ryan Daley, Chris Herron and a couple more were not back. Ryan was a very strong attacking midfielder, took over that position last year when Testo left, Jordan Quinn is now in that slot. Tim Glowienka has had a recurrent hernia which has required surgery a couple of times. He did not play Saturday. He is one of the most talented players on the team and is currently at center back. If he can get healthy it will go a long way to making this a successful season at South Carolina.
  8. SeattleFan

    SeattleFan New Member

    Mar 4, 2000
    Redmond, WA USA
    I'd like to nominate another Washington player for the list: Aaron Heinzen. You may have seen him at the PDL championship game with the Boulder team.
  9. Easybake15

    Easybake15 New Member

    Jul 11, 2001
    Buffalo, NY
  10. turnaround

    turnaround New Member

    Jul 10, 2001

    Christie...what kind of internal problems? Has Berson lost control of the ship? They have new assistant coaches this year...could that be part of the reason for players leaving?

    What's SC's starting lineup?
  11. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Great list Sandon.

    I would like to nominate Tom Dolan and Kevin Hudson @ SMU and Nick Pantazi @ Butler.
  12. Dsocc

    Dsocc Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    You're right, it is a great list. I suppose it would only be better if Sandon were to include an additional category of "All Current Div 1 Players Known To Be From the Saint Louis Area". BTW, looks like SLU could have used a few of them the past few games.
  13. Christie Hopkins

    Christie Hopkins New Member

    Dec 3, 1999
    Columbia SC
    South Carolina problems and coaches

    As far as the internal problems, I think it was more of chemistry problem between players as opposed to an overall morale problem or lack of leadership. Some of it revolved around the issues of playing time and playing the position that the team needed vs. the position that the player wanted to play. Tim Glowienka, for example, is the captain, he moved from an attacking role to center back, where the need was, and was unselfish in doing so. I think everyone agrees the changed are for the better. The 2 new coaches are from Wake Forest and are excellent in terms of teaching, tactics and recruiting. Dave Golan (prior assistant) took the head coaching job at Appalchian State. It appears that this year's team is much more oriented to the attack than the years before, when it was one early hustle goal and then everyone bunker back. All in all, South Carolina is moving ahead (lot of pressure in the state from Clemson and Furman) and hopefully will finish in the top ten.
  14. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Hey knucklehead-Dsocc I only comment on players that I'm familiar with and have personal observation of. Do you have a problem with that? Are you suggesting that the 3 players I nominated above are not deserving of mention in a Top Collegiate Player list?

    If I was just listing Division 1 Players from the Saint Louis Area I would be very remiss as the list would be quite lengthy.

    Do you have some sort of predudice against Saint Louis area players?

    As far as SLU is concerned they will be just fine thank you.
  15. Dsocc

    Dsocc Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    I'm only suggesting that since Chaminade HS could have beaten most NCAA D1 teams last season, and given that SLU has been among the top 4-5 teams in the country for the past 30 years, it only seems appropriate to acknowledge the Saint Louis area in some special category when it comes to the local players.
  16. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
  17. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    There you go moving the goalposts again Dsocc, I never intimated that Chaminade (College Prepatory) could "defeat" most Div 1 squads. I said they could "compete" with many Div 1 schools.

    Now as far as acknowledging the Saint Louis Area as being special in the context of collegiate soccer then yes you are on to something.
  18. ncguy

    ncguy New Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Kenny Arena

    Watched Arena play in a couple of games during last year's ACC tournament. I was extremely unimpressed with his skills and was suprised at his lack of work ethic.
  19. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    James Twellman a sophmore @ Stanford has a bright future.
  20. Emile

    Emile Member

    Oct 24, 2001
    dead in a ditch
    Okay, I've got my list. I've got a lot of names, so I'll try to just put out the ones that I think seem to be the most overlooked (and some sleepers). But, as I always mention, I've seen very few of these players, so these recommendations are mostly based on collecting information that anyone could get. I hope they can inspire some more discussion.

    I just can't get sold on players like Glowienka and Matt Crawford - they work hard and play smartly, but I feel like the talent bottleneck to the pros is too severe for players who lack amazing physical gifts or outstanding skill. I can see why these guys catch the eye, and draw raves from coaches, but it seems to me that to be a hard working coaches favorite in the pros requires more. The guy who springs to mind when I think of hard running utility man in MLS is Duncan Oughton - and he's the career scoring leader at Fullerton. I just don't trust that a college worker can move up to that same position in the pros. But we'll see.

    Also, on the original list - I think Beatty's name is Reb. And everything I have seen lists Sanfillipo as a senior this year. Great job Sandon collecting all of that info - especially the DOB's. You have a lot of guys that I don't, so I have some work to do.

    David Boutilier D (Rutgers)
    Garrett Turk D (San Diego)
    Chad Dombrowski D (UWM) -I know everyone thinks UWM is super-overrated, but its hard for me to look past his numbers. He scores a lot of goals, which is, IMO, a good sign for a back who wants to get to the next level.
    Tim Regan D (Bradley)
    Dan Watson D (SMSU)
    Donald McIntosh M (Duke)
    Matias Asorey M (FIU)
    Kris Bertsch M (American)
    Tim Pierce F (UCLA)
    Evan Bruno F (Lehigh)

    Serafin Vega F (Lewis) - I include him because he was the most decorated juco transfer last year. He continued to play well, albeit at the D2 level.
    TJ Rolfing F (Radford)

    William Hesmer GK (Wake)
    Justin Detter M (Notre Dame)
    Tighe Dombrowski M (UWM)
    Ryan McGowan M (Seton Hall)

    Philip Hucles F (W&M) - I may overrate him, but I like his speed and he has good bloodlines (his sister plays in the WUSA).
    Hector Orellana F (Fullerton)

    Grant Dickens D (Richmond)
    Rick Cobb D (CSUDH)
    Bill Arnault M (Boston College)
    Andres Rota M (Uconn) - I think he should be included now, since he did so well as a freshman for Oklahoma Christian.
    Kyle Brown F (Tulsa)

    Josh Wicks GK (San Bernardino)

    Ben Dawson Sr. D (Penn State)
    Marin Pusek Jr. M (UAB)
    Danny Atwell So. M (Fairfield)
    Scott Sealy So. F (Wake)

    Oliver Medina Sr. D (So. Conn. St.)
    Alex Blake Sr. F (Williams)
    Roy Fink Jr. F (Tampa)
    Adrian Cann Sr. D (Louisville)
    Boyzzz Khumalo So. F (Lindsey Wilson)
    Oliver Carias So. M (Queens-NC)
  21. Emile

    Emile Member

    Oct 24, 2001
    dead in a ditch

    Can you tell me more about Will Thornton and Zac Tallman? They haven't received many official accolades, and I'd like to know more about their games.
  22. beineke

    beineke New Member

    Sep 13, 2000
    He certainly showed that he's a Twellman, scoring on his first touch of the season. From what I've seen of him, he looks to have excellent positional awareness but limited physical strength. I don't know what to think about his future prospects.

    Despite a 5-0 win, Stanford looked very shaky in their new 4-3-3 with two dm's. When Maliza got the ball, he generally didn't have many options. In addition, either Levesque is rusty or else his back is really bothering him. This weekend, Portland and SMU will be a better test of Stanford's high ranking. If I can only make it to one game, which one should it be?
  23. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Both SMU and Portland will offer stiff competition for Stanford. I personlly would rather watch SMU due to being much more familiar with their players and program. SMU in my opinion is a bonafide top 10 team.
  24. Dr Jay

    Dr Jay BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 7, 1999
    Newton, MA USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    James Twellman

    Not only scored on his first touch, but got two goals coming off the bench.

    Clean sheet for the keeper from Newton, MA !
  25. beineke

    beineke New Member

    Sep 13, 2000
    Re: Top college players - an attempt at a comprehensive list

    Park was benched for being out of shape.

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