jajajajaja See, that's the good thing about not being a die-hard fan, I can see things more accurately and not get offended by somebody telling the truth. However, I think that Millos has improved to be around 733 and Tolima if they get in into the playoffs would be 401.....jajajaja.
estoy casi de acuerdo con Dapip (solo por que no se a quien poner de #10)? en lo que si creo que todos estamos de acuerdo es que los top 10 de america salen de copa libertadores como ganadores de grp....mas su posicion en el torneo local pueden ser el MEJOR parametro para los primeros 7 meses del año. BTW: tolima se metio a cuadrangulares en colombia, acaba de ganarle en un partidazo al azul de peluffo 2-1, dream on pal.
what to do? what do we do with once caldas and boca? how is the new ranking shape up? once caldas boca river sao Paulo Dim LDU santos ???? ???? ????Help with last 5 on the top 10 list
Re: what to do? pumas si! pero no gano convenciendo a muchos, menos a los de chivas! dept tachira? gano el torno venezolano? cali y atl. nacional, gracias por participar en la copa Mustang......Nada mas. I think team number 7 and 8th come from Peru or chile? Uruguay...esta de mal en peor
Re: what to do? Maybe from Peru, after the awful campaign that Chilean teams had in Libertadores, Chilean football is at the bottom of the totem in South America!!
Re: what to do? The lucky bastards didn't win s..t in Venezuela (Dep. Tachira) CaracasFC won the tournamente 2002-2003, won Apertura 2003, won Clausura 2004, automatically won the 2003-2004 tournament. Tachira hasn't beat CaracasFC since 2000 "The curse of the bus" (they are our b..ch)
Re: what to do? Sad but true (at least for now) but next libertadores Universidad de Chile (champion of the Apertura a few week ago) will be back to the tournament, let's hope they do something for the chilean honor...
LDU! cmon, they almost eliminated santos, it was just the PK that did them in. and barcelona narrowly lost to the eventual champs.
welcome here ecua! who is number one in your list so what is your ranking for the 1st half of the year? where do you place ecua temas? 7th or 10th....and why
The thing now is a lot simpler than at the end of the year, since there are only 4 national Champs. And I guess that the top 8 from libertadores should be in the rank, regardless. 1. Once Caldas - Champion defeating the king of cups. 2. Boca - They only lost in PKs. 3. River - Argentinian Champs, lost in PKs in Libertadores. 4. Sao Paulo - Were 1 minute away from PKs in semifinals. 5. Santos - Also very close to get onto the next round. 6. LDU - Nice game, close quarterfinal. 7. Medellin - Colombian Champions. 8. Tachira - Tournament's revelations 9. Cali - Good run in Libertadores, nice LT, not enough. 10. Pumas - Mexican champs.
sao caetano over boca and Once? you are High are you? you need cienciano and the last peruvian champs or not? to fill up #7 or #8 aucas?
Nope. I'm very sure and conscious of what I did. Just because São Caetano was eliminated earlier (on PKs to Boca) you may say they are not that good. They are. Those 5, 3 brazilians and 2 (always the same) argentinians, and Once Caldas, because they were champions. Once Caldas has its merits, bu they've been very lucky too. Against Santos, São Paulo and Boca (in order), the three played a better football, but were eliminated by details, and sometimes some luck by the colombian team. "Champion's luck"...maybe...
did sao caetano did well in local tournament? just tell us who did best in brazil 1st 6months of the yr: sao paulo, santos or sao caetano? then you get a top 10 contender
its not luck, its called discipline, they had that edge over the rest, just like Boca did in previous Libertadores.....
I call luck winning the tournament by playing easy teams. Once Caldas wasn't lucky, they won the right way. Once Caldas only played one "easy" team in the 2nd round. They had to beat the 2003 runner-up, one of Brazil's best teams and the 2003 Champion/World Champion. LUCKY????????
Tell the Greeks that Portugal played better, they will laugh at you!!! See, with few exceptions, the winning team is the better team, even if you don't like their brand of football. And let me ask you this: If they played better, how come they didn't score enough to win? Defense is a valid approach to the game!!!! And those "details" made the difference. On the other hand Once's rivals were great contenders, and they are really close in the ranks, is not like is Once and nobody else, au contraire, it was a fun tournament because it was very difficult to predict a winner, since teams were sooooo even.
No. Once was lucky, too. If you don't want to admit, don't admit. But if they played again for 10 times the three teams which overplayed them, maybe they could win one. But Greece x Portugal wasn't a clear superiority of Portugal. Specially because of the ridiculous mistake of the two portuguese defenders and the ridiculous goalkeeper. That goal was really ridiculous. And if you watch São Paulo x Once Caldas or Boca x Once Caldas in São Paulo and in Buenos Aires, you'll see a tremendously clear superiority of the two teams over Once. They were very unfortunate of not having scored even one goal. What you said that "with few exceptions, the winning team is the better team" is wrong. And it's obvious. In a playoff system the best team (the one who would probably win in a league tournament) can play a game badly and (in a two game decision, like Libertadores) can't be able to recover it in the next match. In just two or one game(s) many things might happen. Maybe a team plays better but the ball doesn't enter the goal, then the opponent in a lucky strike may score. This happens in soccer. It's part of it. But that odd argument that the champion is the one who played best is so underrated that shouldn't deserve comments. Isn't it?
I think that your brazilian colors are blinding you!!! I saw the games Once-Sao Paolo and Once-Boca and the chances for all teams were pretty even. It only looks like the other team is dominating because that is Once's style: Let them have the ball and they counter-attack. I just watched the game against Boca (yahoo.com, don't tell my boss) and this is the game I saw: Once had the first chance and scored. After that Boca got the ball but did not have clear chances, but on the breakaway Once had two or three chances, and the first half ended with Boca having the ball but not knowing what to do with it. In the second half Cangele created troubles on the right wing and in a foul in that sector created a free kick that Boca sent in. After that the game was even for like 10 minutes, Boca had 2 or three chances after that, and Once gained control and had three shots one after the other where they could have scored. The final 10 minutes where very boring, slow and the teams didn't know how to break the other team's defence. In the PKs Boca did not score!!!!! Clear superiority from Boca? I don't think so. An even game, anybody could have been the winner. As I told you before, the top 4 or 5 teams are really close, and when I said that the best team is the winner, is not because of some poetic justice (almost never happens) but the other way around: In close decisions the best team is the one lifting the silverware.