Top 10 clubs in the Americas

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  1. MIGkiller

    MIGkiller Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    May 9, 2003
    Rio de Janeiro
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Let's make one of those rankings free of Eurosnobism. Which are the current top 10 clubs in the Americas (North-Central-South)?

    My ranking:

    01- Cruzeiro
    02- Santos
    03- Boca Juniors
    04- São Paulo
    05- River Plate
    06- Independiente Medellín
    07- Cruz Azul
    08- Internacional
    09- America (Mexico)
    10- Corinthians
     
  2. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    your own ranking

    gave them 10 points to 1, and rate 2003 performance only, not tradition-----I will tally results after few posters' ranks (based in local and International results and roster)

    01- Boca jrs ...10pts
    02- cruzeiro.....9
    03- Santos.....8
    04- dept Cali.....7
    05- Toluca (mx)...6
    06- Independiente Medellín......5
    07- Morelia (mx).............4
    08- Sao paulo............3
    09- River Plate........2
    10- Nacional(uru).......1

    (alianza Lima and Gremio could be #10 too)
     
  3. Blue Fox

    Blue Fox New Member

    Aug 22, 2003
    Need to respect...

    In my opinion,
    a good analysis is to think about wich teams we don´t like to play against in international cups. It´s show the strongest teams in america´s. Then, in my opinion this teams are:

    1- Boca Juniors (Arg)
    2- Cruzeiro (Bra)
    3- Santos (Bra)
    4- River Plate (Arg)
    5- Penharol (Uru)
    6- Cruz Azul (Mex)
    7- Nacional (Uru)
    8- Dep. Cali (Col)
    9- São Paulo (Bra)
    10- Any other team from Argentina

    (I´m Cruzeiro´s fan)
     
  4. Hecho en Mexico

    Hecho en Mexico Member+

    Mar 22, 2002
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    well thats a laugher...they are not as good as they were when they beat river...they wouldnt even crack the top 20! other teams that i think shouldnt be there are Morelia(MEX) and Toluca(MEX).
    btw here are my rankings:

    1.Bosta Juniros(ARG) bianchi, enough said
    2.Cruzeiro (BRA) - very good team
    3.Corinthians(BRA) - another very good team
    4.Deportivo Cali(COL) - good team
    5.Pumas UNAM(MEX) - good team
    6.Santos(BRA) - good team
    7.Sao Paulo(BRA) - good team
    8.River Plato(ARG) - cavenaghi
    9.Nacional(URU) - good team
    10.Penarol(URU) - good team
     
  5. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    impaled....is for 2003

    toluca good and always in the hunt (one trophy)
    morelia had 2 finals
    Pumas had.....has a coach that is always talking.

    why do you rate corinthians so high? and penarol over DIM? ummmm
     
  6. DanRod78

    DanRod78 New Member

    Mar 30, 2003
    Kansas City, KS
    River Plate was ranked too high, they've won 2 games out of 8 in this season and are #14 in the argentinian league. One of the 2 games that they won was against #20 in the argentinian league.

    Gremio, got killed in the Copa Sudamericana, I believe they lost about 4-0 AT HOME. And I also heard they are close to going to 2nd division.
     
  7. AtNacional

    AtNacional Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Washington DC
    True, but have you seen the way they are playing in the Copa Sudamericana. Definetely playing better than Boca thats for sure. Whats up with the Mexican teams being in the top 10? They didn't show too much in the Libertadores.
     
  8. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    what where the copa libertadores ranking for 2003

    that could be a good indicator
     
  9. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    2 games only vs troubled Independiente

    gave more results....

    copa lib...could be a good indicator, for the top 4 teams, and if you mix local leagues? what do you get for the last 11 months?
     
  10. AtNacional

    AtNacional Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Washington DC
    There is no accurate indicator with the top 10, however IMHO the Copa Sudamericana could decide that.
     
  11. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    cruzeiro or santos are not there! 2 of the best in tha last 11 months at every level

    are you trying to squezze in there your abominable verdeee?

    no accurate indicator? Take a crack of your top 10 as of today
     
  12. Aguilas Del America

    Oct 28, 2002
    Nido de Coapa
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: Re: Top 10 clubs in the Americas

    Having Pumas over Santos, Sao Paulo, Cruz Azul, and River Plate is an even BIGGER joke.
     
  13. Aguilas Del America

    Oct 28, 2002
    Nido de Coapa
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    When was the last time you watched Copa Libertadores?
     
  14. AtNacional

    AtNacional Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Washington DC
    I didn't see American Eagle in the Copa Libertadores. That one team beat Deportivo Cali in pks then lost in the next stage. What else is new?
     
  15. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    aguilas, mratlnacional is making a case in case they(abominable verdeees) get lucky and tie Boca Jrs at copa suramericana


    Not to mention la vacunada que les van a pegar, posiblemente con suplentes de azul y amarillo.

    thats why I will like to see your standings and His before that game......who is #1 to #10 in 2003, all levels combined.
     
  16. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    1989, that is all they have to show for it!


    (could not resist nacional)


    ahhh the team that beat cali in PKs...was +axul, when el conejo was still called: titular!
     
  17. AtNacional

    AtNacional Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Washington DC
    Me imagino que el 5 de Septiembre del 93 dijiste que la seleccion argentina nos iba pegar una vacunada tambien no?
     
  18. AtNacional

    AtNacional Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Washington DC
    [​IMG]
    I'll give you 45 years to post the same picture as mine, but with your teams badge on the front..hell i'll even let your son do it for ya if your'e not around.
     
  19. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    no me acuerdo!


    pero le voy a preguntar a una vecina, ella es 1/4 boliviana!

    en diez años vas a celebrar bodas de plata y eso es todo lo que los verdeeees celebraran este siglo, yo no creo que yo dure tanto para verlo.
     
  20. DanRod78

    DanRod78 New Member

    Mar 30, 2003
    Kansas City, KS
    My Top 10 clubs in the Americas (Teams that would beat Caracas FC by at least 10 goals)

    1. Boca Juniors
    2. Cruzeiro
    3. Santos
    4. America (Col)
    5. Rosario Central
    6. Sao Paulo
    7. Independiente Medellin
    8. San Lorenzo
    9. Nacional (Uru.)
    10. River Plate (Arg.)
    11. Caracas FC :)
     
  21. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    santos is there they play cienciano for the quarter finals
     
  22. Hecho en Mexico

    Hecho en Mexico Member+

    Mar 22, 2002
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: Re: Re: Top 10 clubs in the Americas

    plz aguilucha del america dont try to show your "colors" too much:rolleyes: river is playing like sh1t as stated, they are not even in the top 10 in the argentine league! cruz azul is and will always be sh1t with el 'jotito' meza at the helm. sao paulo doesnt have kaka anymore and if i remember correctly, they lost to fluminense!?
    btw pumas was playing good football until this last game.
     
  23. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Re: Re: Top 10 clubs in the Americas

    My rankings, based in Conmebol national rankings and last 3 editions of Libertadores: (BTW check the national rankings based in Libertadores in Conmebol.com):

    1. Boca Juniors: (825) The King of Cups
    2. Olimpia: (628) Former Champions and strong history.
    3. America de Cali: (459) They reached semi-finals and are always there, even if they can't win.
    4. Santos: (332) Runner-ups
    5. River: (790) Mostly about history, but they have reached quarterfinals recently.
    6: Medellin: (66) Strong performance last year, but they lack historic achievements.
    7. Cruz Azul: (no rank available) They reached the finals 2 years ago.
    8. Gremio: (449) Always a strong performer.
    9. America de Mexico: (no rank available) Even if they're in a bit of a slump, they put spice in libertadores.
    10. Leñarol: (1050) Garra charrua and history, what else..

    Did not make the cut, but are close:
    Palmeiras (371), Cruzeiro (529), Nacional de Montevideo (924).

    Pumas????? I have not seen them in Libertadores. If they played the way their coach talk!!!
    Dep. Cali??? (272) They're good but they have been consistently out-performed by America.
    Atletico Nacional (462) is gone and forgotten. Only their fans can remember the line-up for the Libertadores they won:D
     
  24. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    is not a historic achivement chart!

    Is your own view of the last 11 months, let me make it easier for you guys: get international games plus local team performance since nov/02, that is all!

    condor.....the quote you have from me was a response to other ranking, not an indication of santos not being in copa Nissan?



    still waiting for atlNacional rankings?
     
  25. jd2084

    jd2084 New Member

    Aug 1, 2001
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a very difficult ranking to make, the reason being that you can't group most North American teams in with the South American because they really don't play each other. Mexico is the only N. American county to participate against S. American teams and therefore your rankings should say S. America & Mexico, not the Americas. Now I'm not saying that teams from other parts of N. America would even make the list (I wouldn't put any there), but it's still impossible to make that a comparison. You might as well say best club in the world and throw Europe in there.

    And we can't count the FC Champions Cup as a way to compare teams. Just because Mexican teams play both doesn't mean that you can translate a teams results in one to it's probable results in the other. What I mean is that even though Mexican teams crush all the other teams in the FC CC doesn't mean that those teams would get crushed by teams that Mexican teams lose to in Copa Lib. Although that may be the case, you just can't make that distinction. If you could then you could say that Mexico is the best National team in the world (Mexico beat Hondurus who beat Brazil, therefore Mexico is better than Brazil). Sorry just doesn't work.
     

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